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Peyton Manning is to the Broncos as Rex Grossman was to the Bears when Peyton got his lone ring.
 
For most Pats fans, losing to Peyton Manning in the post-season is one of the most painful experiences to deal with. They would rather lose to ANYONE else. The only losses that sting more than the losses to Peyton are the losses to his brother, Eli, in the Super Bowl.

A few days after feeling down about another tough loss to swallow at the hands of Peyton, I'm beginning the process of moving on. I'm "on to the off-season," in the words of Bill.

As I start to look forward, I have a different take than most fans do regarding losing to Peyton Manning in the playoffs. As much as it stings in the short term, the longer term effects of such a loss have proven to be a huge net positive.

Therefore, if the Pats are going to lose and not win it all in a given year, I WANT their post-season loss to be to Peyton Manning. Why, you may ask?

Well, because over the course of Bill Belichick's entire tenure in New England, no losses have seemed to sting Belichick (and the Krafts) more than the losses to Peyton Manning in the AFC Championship game. (Even more so than losing The perfect season or to The Giants for a second time.)

The constant, singular factor that has motivated Belichick and the Krafts to aggressively upgrade their roster and open up their checkbooks has always been a season-ending loss to Peyton Manning. Just take a look at the past history.

38-34 loss in 2006 AFC Championship Game in Indianapolis: Defense blew a 21-6 halftime lead. Brady had absolutely no weapons to work with in the passing game (Reche Caldwell was the team’s leading receiver). The Pats’ defense got chewed by tight end Dallas Clark for 137 yards.

2007 Off-season: Pats went out and signed the big fish on the market - Adalius Thomas - to help cover tight ends and rush the passer. They completely revamped the offense, bringing in Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Donte Stallworth at wide receiver, finally giving Brady the weapons necessary for an explosive pass offense. Slapped the franchise tag on Asante Samuel to make sure he stuck around for more season even though they had no intentions of signing him long term. Didn't trade out of the first round and took Brandon Meriweather, who they talked up as a ball hawking, versatile defensive back who could play corner and safety. They even signed guys like Sammy Morris and Kyle Brady to provide higher quality depth on offense after the disaster that 2006 was.

2007 season: An all-time great team that can within a few odd bounces of going 19-0.

26-16 loss in 2013 AFC Championship Game in Denver: Pats’ pass defense gave up 400 yards and 2 TD to Peyton Manning, getting torched for 137 yards by Demaryius Thomas while running Alfonzo Dennard out there as a starting corner. Brady's weapons in that game consisted of Edelman, Austin Collie, Matthew Mulligan, and Michael Hoomanawanui. Amendola was invisible, Gronkowski was injured.

2014 Off-season: Let Talib walk, but sign the big fish on the market once again - Darrelle Revis - and also pick up Brandon Browner to immediately upgrade the secondary in a big way. Signed Brandon LaFell in an attempt to bring in an outside the numbers wide receiver threat to help open up the offense. Opened up the checkbook and re-signed Julian Edelman, who many thought would not be back after the commitment made to Danny Amendola the previous off-season. Took a flier on proven pass rusher Will Smith, who was ultimately cut at the end of camp. Stayed put in first round of draft and took a risk on a guy lauded as an undersized, disruptive interior rusher in Dominique Easley, who is more of a passing down player than a “four down player.”

2014 season: Super Bowl victory over defending champion Seattle.

As much as it stings for Pats fans to lose to Peyton Manning in the playoffs, the good news is that it seems to sting Belichick and the Krafts just as much, if not more. They have consistently reacted with big, bold off-season moves the last two times their season was ended by Peyton Manning. These moves immediately upgraded the roster and led to Super Bowl appearances in the following seasons.

So while losing the AFC Championship game Sunday and not being able to celebrate a fifth Super Bowl this season blows right now, the silver lining is that maybe we are in store for another epic off-season that really focuses on making the most out of Brady's last few great years.

A revamping of the offensive line to allow the team to protect Brady better and run the ball more effectively as he ages? Better outside the numbers wide receivers or a tight end like Aaron Hernández who can dictate coverage, get deep, and separate against man coverage? An added pass rusher or versatile defensive back who is a ball hawk? A trade up in the draft? A trade for a proven veteran burning to win a ring? An impact free agent signing? Who knows?

Bottom line: All I know is, if we had to lose this post-season, I'm actually GLAD we lost to Peyton Manning, because that has been the single greatest motivating factor for Belichick and the Kraft's to aggressively improve this team. And i think the process has already begun to take shape, with the number of staff changes being made already. This feels like it is just the tip of the iceberg.

And let's be honest: Tom Brady is going to be 39. We only have a few more cracks at it with him at the level he's currently playing at. No one beats father time. And as great of a coach as Belichick is, there will no doubt be a drop off for a period of time when the team has to transition to a new QB. It's inevitable. You're not going to just have a guy like Andrew Luck drop into your lap like Indianapolis did.

So, If the pattern holds to form, get ready for an exciting off-season and pencil the Pats in for another Super Bowl appearance next year.
Doug Martin, Alshon Jeffery and Percy Harvin.
 
Sign Moss and TO veteran minimum and line them up every time with Gronk,Edelman and Lewis. 19-0
If you believe that, then you need to step out of the time warp you're currently stuck in and realize Moss and TO would be of no value today.
 
I can guarantee you that Bill Belichick takes losing the same regardless of who beat him.
This fanboy hate of Manning is fine but to apply it to the players and coaches is ignorant.
 
Or Rex Ryan's defense exhumed. Regardless of personnel, injured RBs, inadequate alternate receivers, we need a package for when we see the "drop 7-8 into the passing lanes for crossing routes" stuff. Not excusing the horrible OLine, but this defense kills us and creative play calling could still loosen that up a bit.

Remember, as horrible as that game looked, we were a 2 pt conversion from overtime. Happy as hell to take an ugly win and hope we match up better in the SB, because that football takes funny bounces, it ain't round.
It's not the coverage scheme, its the pass blocking.
Brady will beat 7-8 in coverage all day long if the OL blocks the 3 or 4.
He won't beat 5 in coverage is he has as little time to throw as he did in this game, and the others that we struggled in, particularly SB 18-1.
 
I think what bothers me most (still) is the lack of adjustments. The pressure started early on...Brady was clearly uncomfortable from the outset. How can Josh/Bill/Brady not adjust. Was the gameplan such that the answer after every 3 and out or INT, etc was to simply tell the OL to "play better?"
The Steelers played without Pouncey and Beechum in the Divisional game and their OL held up (respectably). They moved the ball on the ground very well (the fumble that turned the game was not an OL issue). Does that tell us how bad our OL talent truly is or how poorly Brady plays when pressured? I do not believe an "injured":rolleyes: Ben is as good or better than TB.
I don't know...I am still upset about it.
Probably the only thing that will take the bitter taste away is if Carolina embarrasses the Donks the way Seattle did.
 
In all honesty, I don't have that big an issue with losing to Peyton. He's not just one of the all-time greats in football, but he's a stand-up guy and seems to show our team and coaches tons of respect.

The only reason I ever disliked him is because early on, lots of people argued he was better than Tom. Now, I can't imagine anyone would think that, except maybe his biggest fans and his relatives.

I have more of a problem losing to loud-mouthed defenses who can't stop chirping before and after big games, e.g., Broncos, Ravens, Jets ...
 
That arguably makes it even more frustrating. Peyton did jack sh*t all year and gets carried to a SuperBowl.
If you think about it. That is Peyton's recipe for winning the SB :D
 
Answer to question: none.
They didn't "lose to Peyton."
They lost to themselves (O-line and Special Teams) and the Bronco's D.
 
It's not the coverage scheme, its the pass blocking.
Brady will beat 7-8 in coverage all day long if the OL blocks the 3 or 4.
He won't beat 5 in coverage is he has as little time to throw as he did in this game, and the others that we struggled in, particularly SB 18-1.

Wrong again.
 
Answer to question: none.
They didn't "lose to Peyton."
They lost to themselves (O-line and Special Teams) and the Bronco's D.
Yeah and if it were the other way we'd be saying Peyton lost to Brady. I don't think this game changes much in the grand scheme of things in the Brady Manning debate. It really only matters if Peyton wins a 2nd and not only that, but how he performs in doing so.
 
Although the Denver defense at the end of the day "won" the game more than Manning did, he still played an effective role by managing the game and efficiently taking advantage of trips into the red zone.

That's how it was when you used to dominate the Colts in those early years. Smothering defense, smart efficient play from Brady that was just good enough to win. We'd say Peyton can have all the TD records, scoring titles, MVP awards but our Tom Brady just wins baby.

And we gave a ton of credit, and rightly so, to Brady for it. So for me to sit here and not give Manning credit for doing it to us this year would be hypocritical. Many fans thought he'd go out there and play like Carson Palmer did, but he didn't.

And as a result, people still talk about it as Brady vs Manning, Manning vs Belichick. The good country boy from the South getting the best of Darth Vader and the evil empire. The arrogant patriots vs the self deprecating Manning. Etc. And Manning is the one standing up there with his goofy ass smile mocking Belichick with the "we're on to Carolina," soaking in all the accolades of people waxing poetic about his career.


This just feels like a season where we left another ring out there on the field. We were the best team in the AFC. That conference title game is played in New England, we win by double digits in my opinion because that defense doesn't dominate us like that if we're at Gillette. Do we beat Carolina? Maybe, who knows, i liked our chances.

It's a tough, stinging loss. An underachieving season. Somewhat of a failure in my opinion. I just feel like Belichick is going to respond to it with a resounding off-season. Aggressive moves to complement this good core and put this team for sure over the top.
 
If the reports about Edelman and Amendola limping around after the game are accurate then we'd have had little chance against the Panthers. Also the o-line was a problem all year with Brady getting hit and sacked way more than in years prior. This was just the worst case of it. But the Panthers would have given us serious problems as well.
 
If the reports about Edelman and Amendola limping around after the game are accurate then we'd have had little chance against the Panthers. Also the o-line was a problem all year with Brady getting hit and sacked way more than in years prior. This was just the worst case of it. But the Panthers would have given us serious problems as well.

I hate to agree with you, but I was very concerned with the possibility of facing Carolina. While it almost certainly would've been a closely contested matchup, we'd have had our hands full. No doubt about it.
 
It's not the coverage scheme, its the pass blocking.
Brady will beat 7-8 in coverage all day long if the OL blocks the 3 or 4.
He won't beat 5 in coverage is he has as little time to throw as he did in this game, and the others that we struggled in, particularly SB 18-1.

Well, we had the same line we had before. It's also the lack of a running game.
 
Well, we had the same line we had before. It's also the lack of a running game.
The running game sucks because the line sucks.
Better defenses expose the OL worse b


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I don't follow the pro bowl at all, so I forgot that Sanders/irvin are the coaches. Didn't it used to be the loser of the conference championship game?

I say this, because this is how BB was able to give the best of the best a taste of his coaching. It's how he brought Adalius over after '06. What a great recruiting tool that was for BB. Not only does he get to form relationships with players, but he gets to see who's there because of their work ethic and who's there because of talent.

Seeing how often we make the championship game, I'm sure the last thing Goodell wants is to reward Belichick with a consolation prize on those off -years when he doesn't get to the SB. Compared to some of you, I'm not even close to a conspiracy theorist, but I think it's another possible way Goodell is hamstringing BB....in the name of parity.

It's really too bad, because the best players in the league deserve a glimpse of the best coaching in the history of the NFL.
 
I'm dealing better with this one than I expected, first because the whole world saw that Brady couldn't even think with that offensive line play, and still the Pats almost got this one, a little bit more luck or different decisions (one specifically) and we make it to the SB, and secondly, it's almost like 2 years ago, make the SB to be completely destroyed by the better team coming from NFC, it's Carolina year just like it was Seattle's 2 years ago, and again the Broncos will be exposed badly.
 
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