OFFICIAL: Patriots at Jets Post-Game thread

JMC00 said:

OH **** OFF

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That must be a Connecticut Yankee in King Brady's Court...

- ugh, injuries were way too much to overcome. the offense only scored 13 points.
- again, OL was too inconsistent (Vollmer going down doesn't help). Brady doesn't have enough time.
- OL run blocking was poor. hardly any lanes for the RB to run through
- when Brady does have enough time, no one can get open.
- NOT going to win games when your first 3rd down conversion happens in the 4th quarter.
- D pass rush was not consistent enough

+ D held up for the most part even with both Chung + McCourty out. 20 points in regulation is a good effort
+ Allen had some good punts that swung field position
+ Brady, Gronk, Gost good as always

hopefully Edelman + Amendola makes an appearance next week and the offense can start to get in rhythm again. not going far in the playoffs with the way the offense has been performing lately. (due to injuries)

Just want to say also. Thank you Calvin Pryor for not going at Gronks knee on that last catch by Gronk.

EDIT: This play.

From the rule book:

Unless the winner of the toss defers his choice to the second half, he must choose one of two privileges, and the loser is given the other. The two privileges are:

1. The opportunity to receive the kickoff, or to kick off
2. The choice of goal his team will defend.

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A captain’s first choice from any alternative privileges listed above is final and not subject to change.

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He said "kick" first, making it his first and final choice, mistake or not. And as noted, there is precedent for mistakes being binding. In a title game, no less.

I think what Belichick really wanted was the wind, similar to his choice in that OT game at Gillette when we beat Peyton after Welker muffed that punt in OT.

In Slater's postgame interview, a reporter suggests that he should have chosen the end of the field to defend instead of choosing whether to kick, and Slater replied that that wasn't a choice, but that game vs. Denver a couple years ago suggests otherwise. We should have chosen the side of the field to defend, and then let the Jets decide whether they wanted to kick or receive.

QuantumMechanic said:

Since people were asking about PIT...

If NYJ and PIT tie at 10-6, PIT in on common opponents.
If PIT and DEN tie at 10-6, PIT in on head-to-head.
If PIT and KC tie at 10-6, KC in on head-to-head.
If NYJ-PIT-DEN tie at 10-6, PIT in because DEN is knocked out on conference record, then remaining 2-way tiebreaker gives it to PIT on common opponents.
If NYJ-PIT-KC, KC in on conference record.

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KC has already clinched a playoff spot. You can remove them from the equation.

PatsFanSince74 said:

That must be a Connecticut Yankee in King Brady's Court...

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Definitely NOT a Yankee

DaBruinz said:

You keep telling yourself that, Quantum. Won't mean your correct..

Sorry, but the Official is supposed to confirm, not make the decision for them..

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Mike Reiss ‏@mikereiss 34s34 seconds ago
Matthew Slater says coach instructed Patriots to kick off at start of overtime. The only confusion was which direction they were kicking.

Uncle Rico said:

I think he was confused thinking they could also decide which end of the field to defend.

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There are two possible explanations for what happened, as I see it.

One, as BB has been quoted in this thread as saying, "there was no confusion." The audio tape is clear and the written transcript is also clear: Slater said they would kick but thought they also got to pick the direction...so, that might have been the only "confusion" on the field. In that case, this, then, really was a "decision" by the Patriots, implying that someone with the authority to do so decided that they had a better chance of containing the Jets and then winning or, at worst, tying the game with a FG. The logic of that is beyond the powers of my poor weak mind to comprehend, but....deep breath...."In BB I trust." But, if that is what happened, if I were the Jets, I would have been truly motivated by the dis.

Two, Belichick is just covering for his guys (either Slater or McDaniels and Slater) and is being a truly stand-up guy.

EDIT: it looks like "One" is the case.

PatsFanSince74 said:

There are two possible explanations for what happened, as I see it.

One, as BB has been quoted in this thread as saying, "there was no confusion." The audio tape is clear and the written transcript is also clear: Slater said they would kick but thought they also got to pick the direction...so, that might have been the only "confusion" on the field. In that case, this, then, really was a "decision" by the Patriots, implying that someone with the authority to do so decided that they had a better chance of containing the Jets and then winning or, at worst, tying the game with a FG. The logic of that is beyond the powers of my poor weak mind to comprehend, but....deep breath...."In BB I trust." But, if that is what happened, if I were the Jets, I would have been truly motivated by the dis.

Two, Belichick is just covering for his guys (either Slater or McDaniels and Slater) and is being a truly stand-up guy.

EDIT: it looks like "One" is the case.

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Why JMD? Could be Joe Judge who communicated the ask

DaBruinz said:

Wrong. You really need to work on your listening skills because even Schefter has it broken down:

The exchange between Blakeman, Slater: | New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard

"We want to kick off, that way"

Would you care to try again?

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Huh?

Everyone on the pats said they wanted to kickoff.. That is all I need to hear..

DaBruinz said:

Quantum - You can disagree all you want, but it doesn't change reality. Blakeman should have gotten clarification from Slater since he said "we want to kick that way". That's two choices.. And since you can't make two choices, you have to get clarification.. Period..

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How so you **** up "we elect to receive"?? If you f that up it's not up to the officials to bail you out..

robertweathers said:

Why JMD? Could be Joe Judge who communicated the ask

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Maybe, but the more I think about it, it had to come from BB, perhaps after consulting with Patricia and McD.

QuantumMechanic said:

Slater needs to learn the rule, then. You can't both say you're going to kick off and pick the direction.

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I put this on coaching. There are only three responses that should ever be given: 1) "we want to receive"; 2) "we want to defend this/that end of the field"; 3) we want to defer. No other words should ever come out of the player's mouth regardless of what the ref says.

DaBruinz said:

Quantum - You can disagree all you want, but it doesn't change reality. Blakeman should have gotten clarification from Slater since he said "we want to kick that way". That's two choices.. And since you can't make two choices, you have to get clarification.. Period..

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Nah. We can't blame this one on the officials. The audio tape and transcript are clear: Slater clearly says they want to kick. After that, it's a matter of form for the official to turn to the other team and ask them which goal they want to defend. Once the Jets announce their decision, the "transaction" is over. There is nothing else to be said or done. Otherwise, it would open the door to people routinely "changing their minds" on their call on the toss. I might agree with you if the audio tape and transcript weren't so indisputable.

The fact that Slater might have mistakenly thought that he could choose both to kick and which goal to defend is irrelevant. The job of the Referee is to mediate a transaction between two adults, not be their nanny and explain the rules to them or let them change their minds once they clearly state their intention.

As it turns out, Belichick is now saying that he wanted to Kick. Is that true or is he just being a stand-up guy and taking the heat for his player? We'll never know.

QuantumMechanic said:

From the rule book:



He said "kick" first, making it his first and final choice, mistake or not. And as noted, there is precedent for mistakes being binding. In a title game, no less.

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The problem with the play is that the ref knew the Pats wanted to kick off, so when the Pats won the toss, Blakeman said, "You want to kick?" And Slater said, yeah we want to kick, in response to Blakeman. But clearly Slater wanted to say which goal to defend. But Blakeman asked him a question and Slater answered it. Instantly Slater tried to say which goal they wanted to defend but Blakemab didn't let him change it. It didn't change the outcome of the game, but honestly, Blakeman screwed thst up and should have let Slater say which goal he wanted to defend.

Blakeman should never have said, "You want to kick?" in the first place.

Why is the media reporting on this game as if it is a huge upset?

JDot said:

Just want to say also. Thank you Calvin Pryor for not going at Gronks knee on that last catch by Gronk.

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Here here. With that said by tackling like a considerate human being he enabled Gronk to bounce off him.

PatsFanSince74 said:

Maybe, but the more I think about it, it had to come from BB, perhaps after consulting with Patricia and McD.

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Yea..very possible.

You are right in that Pats did not play well in this game and let the game come down to some questionable coaching decisions.....Doofin will be an extremely tough game because as you elude to.....this is THEIR Super Bowl....and Pats always always struggle in Miami......Pressure is on the Pats now in a lot of ways..... To me this was a blunderous call by BB to give the other team the ball first....ask any coach that if they somehow win the coin toss in OT ...,is there any thought in their mind to give the other team the ball FIRST?! I thought it was a fck up by Slater until BB said that there was "no confusion"....my first thought is....PUT THE BALL IN BRADY's HANDS first and foremost.....if he can't get it done and we have to punt.....Pin them deep! Seriously you always have to give your O a chance to win the game don't you?

Todd Bradley said:

The fact that we even have to analyze a coin toss conversation is sad.

Either way, Patriots didn't deserve to win this game. Played scared all day. Now they need to take care of business in Miami against a Dolphin team looking to play spoiler in their own little Super Bowl...ugh.

Well at least we've got a Manning steroid scandal to follow in the meantime.

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bobbutts said:

Too little time to throw, and when there was time apparently nobody open several times with Brady holding the ball. D was pretty good except overtime. I'm not panicking, but really need the little guys back, to figure out the o-line and the D to stay healthy for a serious playoff run.

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