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CLUSTERPUNT!

Wordsmyth said:

CLUSTERPUNT!

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That is it, my friend.

JoeSixPat said:

Puntbungle has my vote too (as does your Ron Borges signature quote!)

But I appear alone in Patriots nation in suggesting that Pagano was right in his playcall - but bears responsibility for the poor coaching that lead to the poor execution.

The Colts - near as I can figure - weren't running a fake punt per se. They were simply lined up oddly (illegally as it turned out - more bad coaching) and were not supposed to do ANYTHING aside from attempt to draw the Patriots offsides for the 1st down.

If the players execute as Pagano wanted, it was EXTREMELY low risk and high reward. Frankly Belichick might attempt to do the same thing, accepting a 5 yard penalty on the punt for delay of game for the chance at a 1st down.

NOW - was it foolish for Pagano to think he was going to catch the Patriots unprepared? Probably. But again, what did he have to lose?

Of course, bad coaching lead to the ball being snapped and the rest is history. But it was the right call executed poorly.

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Anytime you ask someone to do something that is outside the norm, there is a significant probability that they are going to get it wrong. When you ask 11 men to do something different, chances that at least 1 of them gets it wrong is pretty good. So there is no way that this was an extremely low risk play.

As far as the high reward goes, there are 2 possibilities that were mentioned by Chuck Pagano that I remember - the Patriots do a substitution causing a possible 12 men on the field penalty (really? you've got to be kidding me) or the Patriots don't line up correctly. If the Patriots don't line up correctly, then the Colts need to be highly alert to take advantage of this before the Patriots correct it and they need to, as individuals and as a unit, make the right decision and act decisively to pick up the first down. Right.

The concept was a disaster given the planning, preparation and general ability of the Colts players. A team like the Patriots *might* be able to pull it off, but I'm not sure I'd want to put them in that position where a lot can go wrong. Of course, the Patriots would have practiced it until they got it consistently right and, even then, I'm not sure it's worth the risk to run it given the nature of the risks.

Wordsmyth said:

CLUSTERPUNT!

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I like that one.

Hitler said it better. :-D

Hitler Reacts to "The Pagano"

Don't forget General Luck:

mrscruff said:

"4th and WTF!!"

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I do love this Tecmo Bowl representation.

Makes me laugh every time.

Chiuba E. Obele said:

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Where did Johnson get the background blackboard from? There's actually some real stuff on it. For example, I see the definition of kinetic energy and the time-independent Schroedinger's Equation in the top left.

No way Johnson came up with that.

QuantumMechanic said:

Where did Johnson get the background blackboard from? There's actually some real stuff on it. For example, I see the definition of kinetic energy and the time-independent Schroedinger's Equation in the top left.

No way Johnson came up with that.

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Dunno much about physics, so I couldn't tell you

QuantumMechanic said:

Where did Johnson get the background blackboard from? There's actually some real stuff on it. For example, I see the definition of kinetic energy and the time-independent Schroedinger's Equation in the top left.

No way Johnson came up with that.

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Some of the equations are obscured or difficult to read, and different people use different nomenclature, but with that caveat, I think all of the equations are real physics equations, including the Ideal Gas Law "PV=nRT" that was disproven by the Wells Report.

TruthSeeker said:

Anytime you ask someone to do something that is outside the norm, there is a significant probability that they are going to get it wrong. When you ask 11 men to do something different, chances that at least 1 of them gets it wrong is pretty good. So there is no way that this was an extremely low risk play.

As far as the high reward goes, there are 2 possibilities that were mentioned but Chuck Pagano that I remember - the Patriots do an substitution causing a possible 12 men on the field penalty (really? you've got to be kidding me) or the Patriots don't line up correctly. If the Patriots don't line up correctly, then the Colts need to be highly alert to take advantage of this before the Patriots correct it and they need to, as individuals and as a unit, make the right decision and act decisively to pick up the first down. Right.

The concept was a disaster given the planning, preparation and general ability of the Colts players. A team like the Patriots *might* be able to pull it off, but I'm not sure I'd want to put them in that position where a lot can go wrong. Of course, the Patriots would have practiced it until they got it consistently right and, even then, I'm not sure it's worth the risk to run it given the nature of the risks.

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As you say, the devil is in the details. In a vacuum, the play could conceivably work. I don't know if everyone saw the article, but BB explained it himself (much better than Pagano) here:
Belichick explains Colts’ fake punt fiasco better than Pagano

The problem was: i) obviously the Colts had not been properly prepared, as they didn't line up correctly; ii) Griff Whalen was obviously not prepared sufficiently, and based on his panicked snap he might not have had the temperament or football smarts to read the situation; iii) nobody called time out when the Patriots obviously had sniffed it out; iv) if they were going to actually snap it with so many guys over center, it should have been in a shotgun formation to allow for a pass to Whalen; v) finally, this is the type of play you try against an undisciplined team (like the Bills), the LAST team you should try it against is a team as smart, well coached, and well prepared as the Patriots.

--EDIT--I know see that hadn't even practiced the play, that is completely inexcusable.

Truthseeker, you said that "a team like the Patriots *might* be able to pull it off. Let me go with that for a minute. The way that BB explained the play showed that he obviously was very familiar with it, perhaps he has considered it? Consider the play (or some variant of it) with Gronk hiking it to Edelman. Of course BB would have the rest of the team super prepared, they would never line up wrong. If the opposing team kept their cool and lined up several players over the Center (like the Patriots did), Gronk would never make a stupid mistake like snapping it, and BB would call a Time Out immediately anyway. The Patriots and BB are already in other teams heads big time, I can see another less disciplined team (Bills under Rex, etc.) getting flustered and making a mistake like freaking out or having 12 men on the field. Or, if the opposing team gets confused (unlike the Patriots), Edelman (college quarterback) can pass to Gronk or run with Gronk blocking.

I know everyone probably thinks I'm crazy but the point is: can anyone think of a bigger F*U to the Colts than the Patriots running this play and running it correctly sometime this season (or even next)? That would be epic! Even if they end up calling Time Out instead of snapping it, it would show the difference between how the Colts and Pats operate. And, if the play actually worked, that would just be too good to be true. Let me dream.

I submit my own name that I'm surprised no one else has come up with yet - the "Puntgano."

It sounds like Pagano, which is funny because it was his screw up, and also is funny because this screwed up punt will make him gone-o.

I like "Clusterpunt" better, though.

QuantumMechanic said:

Where did Johnson get the background blackboard from? There's actually some real stuff on it. For example, I see the definition of kinetic energy and the time-independent Schroedinger's Equation in the top left.

No way Johnson came up with that.

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More importantly, no way Pagano came up with that.

Cantabrigian said:

Hitler said it better. :-D

Hitler Reacts to "The Pagano"

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That was well done. One of the better "Hitler Reacts" videos I've seen.

"At least Edelman broke his pinky" hahaha

Ross12 said:

I submit my own name that I'm surprised no one else has come up with yet - the "Puntgano."

It sounds like Pagano, which is funny because it was his screw up, and also is funny because this screwed up punt will make him gone-o.

I like "Clusterpunt" better, though.

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Punt guano.

Batshit.
As in, crazy.

Well, we got some interest in WhatTheChuck, and now ClusterPunt. What about - The ClusterChuck?

shmessy said:

Who's the happiest man on earth this morning?

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Actually it was probably Brandon Marshall who just a few weeks ago declared he made the worst play in the history of the NFL. I don't think anyone remembers that play anymore, lol.