NFL executives rank Brady as third best QB behind Aaron Rodgers and Andrew Luck

Russell Wilson is 6-2 in the playoffs, with a SB win, and has been playing in a much tougher division than Brady (5-2 in the playoffs) during the regular season, and he's got a higher QB rating in both the playoffs and regular season during that time.

So, according to the logic of a whole bunch of you anti-Luck people:

Wilson > Brady

Deus Irae said:

Except that it does no such thing. Manning has been the second best QB of his era.

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I wonder about this sometimes. Respect your choice, but I always think Brees has beaten PM in almost every catagory. Cmp%, Yrds, etc, both have 1 SB, and Brees still has 3-4 years to reach PM's age...
and I dont think I am ready to call Brees 2nd.

Brees
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00.htm

PM
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00.htm

lol, I think this is a clear case of verticalism..

Deus Irae said:

Russell Wilson is 6-2 in the playoffs, with a SB win, and has been playing in a much tougher division than Brady (5-2 in the playoffs) during the regular season, and he's got a higher QB rating in both the playoffs and regular season during that time.

So, according to the logic of a whole bunch of you anti-Luck people:

Wilson > Brady

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If the Pats had to play an AFC championship game against the Ravens (flacco) or the colts (luck) who would you choose as the easier team/path to the superbowl?

Rodgers Brady Are the #1 discissions. And I can see Rodgers. And I can see Brady at 38. Neck beard does not belong in this discussion. Maybe Flacco does, maybe not, but not neck beard.

pherein said:

I wonder about this sometimes. Respect your choice, but I always think Brees has beaten PM in almost every catagory. Cmp%, Yrds, etc, both have 1 SB, and Brees still has 3-4 years to reach PM's age...
and I dont think I am ready to call Brees 2nd.

Brees
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00.htm

PM
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00.htm

lol, I think this is a clear case of verticalism..

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I like Brees, but Manning's the better QB, IMO, and I don't really think it's close. I generally look at the top 4 QBs of the Manning "era" in this probable order:

Brady
P. Manning
Roethlisberger
Brees

Then I'd slot Rodgers and Rivers in behind them.

Now, there's no way anyone's going to be able to convince me that Brady's not at #1, but I'm always willing to be hear arguments about the slotting of #2-5. I find Roethlisberger very difficult to pin down, so I'm frequently re-checking and adjusting my 'top' list.

Deus Irae said:

I like Brees, but Manning's the better QB, IMO, and I don't really think it's close. I generally look at the top 4 QBs of the Manning "era" in this probable order:

Brady
P. Manning
Roethlisberger
Brees

Then I'd slot Rodgers and Rivers in behind them.

Now, there's no way anyone's going to be able to convince me that Brady's not at #1, but I'm always willing to be hear arguments about the slotting of #2-5. I find Roethlisberger very difficult to pin down, so I'm frequently re-checking and adjusting my 'top' list.

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Seee All by height except you pick Brady because of the 4 Rings !!

Brady 6ft 4
P. Manning 6ft 5
Roethlisberger 6ft 5
Brees 6ft ....err possibly

Think Brees had stronger Division rivals, except for NE always being good. There was always 2 teams that didnt completely suck. Plus Brees easily Played with the worse defense of all the teams. I dont put Brees above Roethlisberger or Eli, because they have 2 rings.
But it is true that Brees beats pretty much all of PM's stats. Just how I see things.
Oh I think I would stop conversation with any fan if they said Brady was not #1, its just common sense.

pherein said:

Seee All by height except you pick Brady because of the 4 Rings !!

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As an average height male myself, I'm actually a champion of the shorter guys.

pherein said:

Think Brees had stronger Division rivals, except for NE always being good. There was always 2 teams that didnt completely suck. Plus Brees easily Played with the worse defense of all the teams. I dont put Brees above Roethlisberger or Eli, because they have 2 rings.
But it is true that Brees beats pretty much all of PM's stats.
Oh I think I would stop conversation with any fan if they said Brady was not #1, its just common sense.

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In Manning's entire career, he's won fewer than 10 games a season twice (both also being losing seasons), and one was his rookie year. Brees has won fewer than 10 games in 7 out of 13 seasons, and has had 4 losing seasons. That's a pretty steep first hurdle for those arguing Brees, IMO.

Deus Irae said:

As an average height male myself, I'm actually a champion of the shorter guys.

In Manning's entire career, he's won fewer than 10 games a season twice (both also being losing seasons), and one was his rookie year. Brees has won fewer than 10 games in 7 out of 13 seasons, and has had 4 losing seasons. That's a pretty steep first hurdle for those arguing Brees, IMO.

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Well Brees was with SD. Pretty bad team at the time, and then the Saints arguably the worst team in the NFL for 40 years. The fact that we won anything was a direct result of him being here. PM got a pretty good team from day one. Id like to see a break down of defensive rankings for both in those seasons, and division rival strength. Its easier to win when your defense is competent, and your division rivals suck.
I think PM is overrated sometimes, and dont get me wrong PM is from here. I think hes a brilliant passer, but Brees does beat most of PM's stats. In a worse situation I think.

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Well Brees was with SD. Pretty bad team at the time, and then the Saints arguably the worst team in the NFL for 40 years. The fact that we won anything was a direct result of him being here. PM got a pretty good team from day one. Id like to see a break down of defensive rankings for both in those seasons, and division rival strength. Its easier to win when your defense is competent, and your division rivals suck.
I think PM is overrated sometimes, and dont get me wrong PM is from here. I think hes a brilliant passer, but Brees does beat most of PM's stats. In a worse situation I think.

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Manning took over a 3 win team (side note: a 34 year old Jim Harbaugh started the year prior to Manning).


I agree that Manning is overrated by many, but he's still up near the top. I've got him somewhere between 9-15 all time.

bradybunch321 said:

Brady being #3 is dumb. If Rodgers is the best QB, Brady is 1A. I also still think Brady is the most poised and clutch QB today.

But to all you people bagging on Luck, just stop. The dude is good. He took a 2-14 to the playoffs his rookie year. He's had no running game or O-line to speak of. Yeah he makes stupid throws sometimes and has thrown a lot of interceptions, but when the team is single handedly relying on him, he has to be a gun slinger.

I'm not going to say Luck should be above Brady, but I would put him #3. And if I was drafting any player to start a franchise for the future, it would be him.

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Luck is nice but I wouldn't put him over Brady,Rodgers or Brees when he gets his sh** together

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Deus Irae said:

Manning took over a 3 win team (side note: a 34 year old Jim Harbaugh started the year prior to Manning).

I agree that Manning is overrated by many, but he's still up near the top. I've got him somewhere between 9-15 all time.

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2001 = Brees got a 5-11 last in division SD he shared QB in 2002 with Flute. Were he went 8-8, but flute and him where interchanged all the time.

2001 =Indy 6-10 2nd worse in division this was PM 4th seasons after he started.

The 1998 season PM was the QB with a 3-13 record

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/1998.htm
Indy was also before PM got there, so took him awhile. Winning seasons.
1995 9-7
1996 9-7
1997 3-13

PM's an elite QB, and a fan favorite in NE because of the long rivalry, and absolutely at the top. Im just pointing out that Brees had a harder road to play ball, and still beat most of PM's stats, and wondered why hes always seen as a legend, and Brees is always seen as damn good by the media.
I dont like to rate players. Just think they are ok, great, elite. But Brady is so above the rest in his accomplishments, its almost imposible to not give him the #1 spot. Heart is something no one can measure. Still like to see a true PM vs Brees break down. I think after they are both retired fans will be suprised at the outcome.
Unless PM wins another SB then Brees is screwed ,lol

pherein said:

2001 = Brees got a 5-11 last in division SD he shared QB in 2002 with Flute. Were he went 8-8, but flute and him where interchanged all the time.

2001 =Indy 6-10 2nd worse in division this was PM 4th seasons after he started.

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Manning:

1998 - 3-13
2001 - 6-10

Brees:

2003 - 2-9
2007 - 7-9
2012 - 7-9
2014 - 7-9

Advantage: Manning

Deus Irae said:

Manning:

1998 - 3-13
2001 - 6-10

Brees:

2003 - 2-9
2007 - 7-9
2012 - 7-9
2014 - 7-9

Advantage: Manning

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Whats that ? oh just wins and loses. Its ok Ill break down Division rival strength, each players stats, and team defense strength. I did it in 2012 , just lost it somewhere. But pretty understood NO was the worst team in the NFL for years.

They can rank him 5th if it means a 5th ring and the following year rank him 6th if means a 6th ring. I'd bet the mortgage payment Brady feel the same way...

..and they stay there, and they stay there, and they stay there...

TheBostonStraggler said:

They can rank him 5th if it means a 5th ring and the following year rank him 6th if means a 6th ring. I'd bet the mortgage payment Brady feel the same way...

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....or 32nd. I couldnt care less and I bet ultimately TB wouldn't care either.

Anothe SB does more to pad his legacy than another 4k yds and 30 tds.

robertweathers said:

....or 32nd. I could care less and I bet ultimately TB wouldn't care either.

Anothe SB does more to pad his legacy than another 4k yds and 30 tds.

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This.
What a bunch of blowhards say has got to be as thin as paper to Brady and BB considering what they have pulled over the years.
Winning games then winning SBs is the yardstick of all yardsticks. Everything else is mostly blowhardery....

Put another way, Joe Montana is 11th on the all time TDs thrown. You would rather be 11th and have 4 SB rings or be Marino, Farve, Tarkenton, Moon, Testaverde etc etc

Deus Irae said:

Manning:

1998 - 3-13
2001 - 6-10

Brees:

2003 - 2-9
2007 - 7-9
2012 - 7-9
2014 - 7-9

Advantage: Manning

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Advantage: Brees

TheBostonStraggler said:

This.
What a bunch of blowhards say has got to be as thin as paper to Brady and BB considering what they have pulled over the years.
Winning games then winning SBs is the yardstick of all yardsticks. Everything else is mostly blowhardery....

Put another way, Joe Montana is 11th on the all time TDs thrown. You would rather be 11th and have 4 SB rings or be Marino, Farve, Tarkenton, Moon, Testaverde etc etc

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....and that is what few people in the NFL truly appreciate. Leadership, game management and clutch play win championships.

Coaches get it but GMs and owners I think struggle with it as they have different masters to serve.

robertweathers said:

....and that is what few people in the NFL truly appreciate. Leadership, game management and clutch play win championships.

Coaches get it but GMs and owners I think struggle with it as they have different masters to serve.

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Honestly I think some franchises almost have given up on it. It's not to say they don't want it, however, they are more interested in creating buzz and filling seats.

BB has put the blue print for winning out there (obviously it starts with a QB): (A) take advantage of every single possible advantage no matter how small. (B) Middle roster importance/careful not to devote big money to a very small amount of players. (C) Competition for every player every year -- to stay hungry for his job. (D) Defined and specific roles for every player to know 'their job'. (E) Always try to take away the opposition's biggest weapon. (F) Say little when you lose, say less when you win. (G) Extreme devotion to your craft and striving to win is the only acceptable way. (F) Take your excuses to some other team (love that about BB and TB) -- every coach and player gets their responsibility done else the failure is on you, and on you to try even harder to prepare to not make the same mistakes/failures.

I'm not saying you can win SBs this way. I'm not saying this is the only way. But I am saying this appears to create a consistent ability to compete - a consistent ability to be in position to win more games than not. I know that coaches are given such little time to succeed that putting this kind of program in place is difficult. But I would think owners and GMs would see this blueprint and strive to put it in place. IMHO their is not better way to be successful then reverse engineer a winner then mimic it as much as possible. ((I realize it is easier said than done)