NFL executives rank Brady as third best QB behind Aaron Rodgers and Andrew Luck

rochrist · Sep 12, 2015

Peyton was/is a choker, no question. I'm convinced yet that Luck isn't cut from the same cloth though. There's a certain amount of luck (heh) of the draw involved in the playoffs, who you face, when and where you face them. I'd note that Luck has thrown 9 TDs vs 12 INTs in the playoffs so far and his average rating is 69.3.

First year, he beat Baltimore, but he wasn't very good. 0 TDs 1 INT, 59.8 rating. His second year, he beat KC by one point in a shoot out. He did throw 4 TDs but he also threw 3 ints. The he got destroyed by NE, 4 more picks, a 53 rating. Last year, he beat Cinn (which is more or less a bye week), beat Denver who was playing the corpse of Peyton. and then was absolutely annhilated by NE, doing far worse than he did the year before (a 23 rating).

Its arguable that he's ahead of Peyton, but in a lot of ways, he's following the same path. No one ever (well no one here) argued that Peyton was anything but awful in the playoffs. We all know what TB12 did in his second season, first actually playing.

TinhWoodhead · Sep 12, 2015

It doesnt matter. RGIII says he's the best

Big-T · Sep 12, 2015

I don't get the Luck hype, he's another Favre at best.

Lots of yards? Sure but there's also lots of flat out DUMB throws & picks in there too.

PatsBoy12 · Sep 12, 2015

Big-T said:
I don't get the Luck hype, he's another Favre at best.

Lots of yards? Sure but there's also lots of flat out DUMB throws & picks in there too.

This NEVER gets talked about, it seems to me. Some of his throws are simply WTF. I understand every QB has those, even our very own TB12, but his are just awful at times. He tries to do too much, but I guess that's to be expected of a young QB. Nonetheless, smh at him making the list ahead of Brady. How about we wait until he has actually accomplishes something in this league . . . The AFCCG is all well and good, but they weren't even competitive on offense.

old 55 · Sep 12, 2015

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
I will start by saying that being ranked #3 QB in the NFL is not really "an insult," especially at age 38 where there is natural bias against age decline, whether true or not.

Aaron Rodgers might be the best overall talent ever at the position. He threw 5 INTs last season and 4 hit a Packers receiver on the hands. He is a full standard deviation above other QBs in terms of his interception rate over his career. Of course, being the best player does not always mean being the best leader and being able to fire/lead a team under pressure when the going gets tough. There's a strong argument for Brady.

Andrew Luck tossed 16 INTs last season, more than Brady has ever thrown, and this is in an era where DBs cannot even touch WRs any more; sure, the Colts defense sucks, but what does that have to do with a solid offensive line and tons of weapons? Luck has not demonstrated the ball control needed to be ahead of Brady or several others who can put up huge production without turning over the ball.

1a. Brady
1b. Rodgers
3. Roethlisberger
4. Romo
5a. Wilson
5b. Brees
5c. Luck
5d. Manning

You forgot RGIII he's the best in the NFL - just ask him!

BobDigital · Sep 12, 2015

I don't think it is a shot at Brady as much as the NFL hope to hype Andrew Luck into the next All time great.

Maybe he will be and maybe not. But too early to put him ahead of Brady. Rodgers is the only QB that has an argument that makes sense.

Guts · Sep 12, 2015

I know a lot of you say we shouldn't care but it's just frustrating that the best quarterback since the postseason started in January to the regular season opener has been Brady and it's not even close. What he did against Seattle is not talked about enough yes the Butler play is probably the best SB play of all time, but what Brady did down by 10 in the 4th quarter should be recognized more

borg · Sep 12, 2015

The general public always gets excited about QBs that can tuck and run. Wasn't RG3 the latest/greatest two years ago...same with Cam Newton. And as already mentioned, stats over wins gets valued in today's fantasy infused mindset. No worries, Brady always gets the girl at the end of the movie

Deus Irae · Sep 12, 2015

Big-T said:
I don't get the Luck hype, he's another Favre at best.

Lots of yards? Sure but there's also lots of flat out DUMB throws & picks in there too.

There's nothing more overhyped than the "Luck throws too many picks" myth.

INTs through 3 seasons as starters (including 2001 as one for Brady):

Luck - 43
Manning - 58
Brady - 38
Favre - 51

rochrist · Sep 12, 2015

Deus Irae said:
There's nothing more overhyped than the "Luck throws too many picks" myth.

INTs through 3 seasons as starters (including 2001 as one for Brady):

Luck - 43
Manning - 58
Brady - 38
Favre - 51

Again, you're not accounting for the other three guys all playing those seasons under rules that allowed pass defense. Luck is not playing the same game, and he's not playing under the same rules. You're also (now) discounting postseason play. In Luck's first 3 postseasons, he's thrown 12 picks. Peyton threw 2. (to be fair, Luck has played in twice as many postseason games his first 3 years as Peyton (6 vs 3), but still.) Brady threw 3 picks in 9 games. Favre threw 6 picks in 7 postseason games.

So of those guys, Luck is pretty clearly the worst, at least by my reckoning.

Deus Irae · Sep 12, 2015

rochrist said:
Again, you're not accounting for the other three guys all playing those seasons under rules that allowed pass defense. Luck is not playing the same game, and he's not playing under the same rules. You're also (now) discounting postseason play. In Luck's first 3 postseasons, he's thrown 12 picks. Peyton threw 2. (to be fair, Luck has played in twice as many postseason games his first 3 years as Peyton (6 vs 3), but still.) Brady threw 3 picks in 9 games. Favre threw 6 picks in 7 postseason games.

So of those guys, Luck is pretty clearly the worst, at least by my reckoning.

I'm accounting for everything. You're manufacturing an excuse for a terrible position you wish to take because of a bias on your part.

There's a huge difference. The fact that your take is so ridiculous as to put Luck last among that group should have told you that you're out of your mind on this.

Or, to put it another way:

2012-2014 INTs

Luck - 43
Manning - 36

Even if you ignore Luck's status during that stretch (first 3 years) v. Manning's status during that stretch (established vet, 2nd best QB of his era, garnering MVP awards), Luck's still not too terribly far behind Manning in the very latest years.

Silver Blue&Red · Sep 12, 2015

I'll stick with the QB that keeps winning, thank you

FourierSeries · Sep 12, 2015

rochrist said:
Peyton was/is a choker, no question. I'm convinced yet that Luck isn't cut from the same cloth though. There's a certain amount of luck (heh) of the draw involved in the playoffs, who you face, when and where you face them. I'd note that Luck has thrown 9 TDs vs 12 INTs in the playoffs so far and his average rating is 69.3.

First year, he beat Baltimore, but he wasn't very good. 0 TDs 1 INT, 59.8 rating. His second year, he beat KC by one point in a shoot out. He did throw 4 TDs but he also threw 3 ints. The he got destroyed by NE, 4 more picks, a 53 rating. Last year, he beat Cinn (which is more or less a bye week), beat Denver who was playing the corpse of Peyton. and then was absolutely annhilated by NE, doing far worse than he did the year before (a 23 rating).

Its arguable that he's ahead of Peyton, but in a lot of ways, he's following the same path. No one ever (well no one here) argued that Peyton was anything but awful in the playoffs. We all know what TB12 did in his second season, first actually playing.

Actually he lost to Baltimore his first year in the playoffs.

primetime · Sep 12, 2015

Deus Irae said:
Tougher defenses doesn't explain the playoff win discrepancy. The kid's very good. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging it.

Yeah, there seems to be a sizable contingent of Patriots fans who refuse to acknowledge that Luck is an elite quarterback because he's lost to the Patriots a few times. However, extend this ridiculous argument using tiny sample sizes and you'll find that Brady is somehow worse than Joe Flacco and at least on par with Peyton Manning.

Luck's very good and I think he's better than Brady, right now and going forward. At Brady's peak, probably not, but Brady's peak began around this season for Luck.

primetime · Sep 12, 2015

Every QB but one loses in the playoffs every single year. This "he lost in the playoffs" argument is very weird.

patsfan13 · Sep 12, 2015

Let's see Brady is the GOAT QB, best postseason QB, best reg season QB, he is coming off a SB win where he engineered the best comeback win in SB history with the youngest team to win the SB and he is ranked behind 2 other guys with average playoff records and far lower winning % in the regular season.

Well this reveals the lack go FO talent plaguing the NFL.

patsfan13 · Sep 12, 2015

primetime said:
Every QB but one loses in the playoffs every single year. This "he lost in the playoffs" argument is very weird.

At some point one has to consistently win in the playoffs.

rochrist · Sep 12, 2015

Deus Irae said:
I'm accounting for everything. You're manufacturing an excuse for a terrible position you wish to take because of a bias on your part.

There's a huge difference. The fact that your take is so ridiculous as to put Luck last among that group should have told you that you're out of your mind on this.

Or, to put it another way:

2012-2014 INTs

Luck - 43
Manning - 36

Even if you ignore Luck's status during that stretch (first 3 years) v. Manning's status during that stretch (established vet, 2nd best QB of his era, garnering MVP awards), Luck's still not too terribly far behind Manning in the very latest years.

Bah. In this stretch, Rodger threw 19 and Brady 28, so what? There's a huge difference? I disagree. We'll see, but so far, Luck has accomplished nothing beyond getting his brains beaten in my NE every year.

Hell, Russell Wilson has gone to two SBs his first three years, won one, barely missed in the other, and barely missed the making NFC championship game his FIRST year.

Canuck · Sep 12, 2015

People must be predicting what Luck will do in the future because his stats and results so far barely qualify him for the top 10. He had a good 2014. His 3 year avg in the league is 56.5 completion percentage and a 86.6 QB rating. That's not elite numbers. Brady's are 63.6 and 96.1. In fact Brady's lifetime numbers of 62.9 and 89.0 in the playoffs is better then Lucks numbers in regular season.

There is no doubt that Luck is a franchise QB but he should be in a conversation with Flacco and E.Manning for who is best rather then Rodgers and Brady.

bradybunch321 · Sep 12, 2015

Brady being #3 is dumb. If Rodgers is the best QB, Brady is 1A. I also still think Brady is the most poised and clutch QB today.

But to all you people bagging on Luck, just stop. The dude is good. He took a 2-14 to the playoffs his rookie year. He's had no running game or O-line to speak of. Yeah he makes stupid throws sometimes and has thrown a lot of interceptions, but when the team is single handedly relying on him, he has to be a gun slinger.

I'm not going to say Luck should be above Brady, but I would put him #3. And if I was drafting any player to start a franchise for the future, it would be him.

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