Tom Curran: "Brady will Rag Doll the NFL's Case!"

No, Brady's team can appeal for a stay of suspension and most likely a judge will grant it since not granting it makes the court process moot

Tony2046 said:

My curiosity is that if the Wells report is debunked in court and it is proven that nothing was done how does Roger maintain the loss of draft picks?

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He'll probably just do something to this effect.

Tony2046 said:

My curiosity is that if the Wells report is debunked in court and it is proven that nothing was done how does Roger maintain the loss of draft picks?

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He just stubbornly won't talk about it and say that team punishments are solely up to him. Just like after the bountygate player suspensions were thrown out, yet the year-long suspension of the Saints head coach Sean Payton was not changed one iota.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

He just stubbornly won't talk about it and say that team punishments are solely up to him. Just like after the bountygate player suspensions were thrown out, yet the year-long suspension of the Saints head coach Sean Payton was not changed one iota.

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Which is why this needs to go to court so the whole anti-Pats cabal and their agenda can be exposed for all to see.

h0c2000 said:

More likely he's using Altavista based on his research so far. That's if he's still not using gopher.

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Alta Vista is now owned and redirected by Yahoo! which in turn uses Bing for it's search.

Robert Kraft Foods comes up with a Yahoo! answers question with the second result with this answer:

"Best Answer: Robert K. Kraft, (born June 5, 1941 in Brookline, Massachusetts) is the Founder, Chairman & CEO of the Kraft Group, a diversified holding company with assets in paper & packaging, sports & entertainment, real estate development and a private equity portfolio. His best known and most visible assets are the National Football League's New England Patriots and Major League Soccer's New England Revolution, as well as the stadium where they play, Gillette Stadium.

The Kraft Group remains a privately owned, family-operated company with a strong entrepreneurial streak. We are nimble, responsive and fiercely independent. The Kraft Group is run by family members and trusted staff that share one thing in common: an uncommon commitment to customer focus.

The company is traded on the stock exchange, so would therefore be owned by the stockholders. Bob Kraft, or the Kraft family, probably owns the majority of the stock, but I don't know this for sure.

NOTE: Kraft is not the CEO of Kraft Foods, but of the Kraft Group, of which Kraft foods is a part."


pamreid · 8 years ago

So even if this moron did use Alta Vista, he still would have had the answers he needed pretty much instantly.

Askjeeves gives a similiar question and answer on the second result.
AOL.com gives the same link 4 results down.

Really, the only way this idiot would not find the results he needed, instantly, is if he still uses aliweb.com, which is the oldest search engine still online.

patfanken said:

I heard an interesting take on the Brady appeal the other day that made a lot of sense to me about how it will end. Sorry but I forget who said it. It goes like this.

Goodell will hear the appeal and drop the absurd penalty a game or two. Brady and the NFLPA will refuse the deal and take it to court where the league is something like 1-33. In court Brady gets cleared to play game one (sorry Matt Flynn). Brady gets his redemption. The Pats get their player. (which is ultimately good for the league) Goodell gets to say to the other owners, I did what I could. I didn't cave to the Pats, we took that #1 and 4 draft picks and best of all, ruined their reputation.

Thus in the end the haters will get most of what they were after, and the Pats get a crumb.

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The only reason I disagree with this is Goodell HAS to be concerned about being a subject of a defamation suit. When the Patriots published that letter showing that the league published psi reading it knew, or should have known, were wrong, that must have been a warning shot against Goodell and potentially Brady's ace in the hole.

Defamation is an intentional tort. I can't imagine that there is anything in the CBA restricting Brady's right to choice of court venue in a defamation case. Brady lives in MA so he could file suit in Massachusetts where Goodell's popularity is somewhere between Bill Lambeer and the Boston Marathon Bomber. He could command a jury verdict in MA that looks like a telephone number (including the area code). Goodell is not exactly a judgment proof defendant (family wealth plus over $40M/year salary) and he wouldn't be able to bankrupt out of an intentional tort verdict.

What I'm suggesting is it may be in Goodell's best interest to lift the suspension and exonerate Brady especially since he's yanked away a few picks with the Kraft capitulation. Patriots fans will rightly cry "foul" if the Brady suspension is vacated but the draft pick loss stands but no one else in the country will give a sh*t.

This is why I hold out some hope for Brady's suspension to be completely vacated . . . it may be in Goodell's selfish best interest to do so.

robertweathers said:

Based on yesterday's report that TB12 will accept nothing less than full exoneration and Goody no reducing the penalty unless there is new information, depending on how the discussions during the arbitration hearing unfold, this is a very real possibility.

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h0c2000 said:

More likely he's using Altavista based on his research so far. That's if he's still not using gopher.

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God, I'd forgotten all about Gopher! I used to love AltaVista's image search to death.

YOUGOTMOSSED said:

The only reason I disagree with this is Goodell HAS to be concerned about being a subject of a defamation suit. When the Patriots published that letter showing that the league published psi reading it knew, or should have known, were wrong, that must have been a warning shot against Goodell and potentially Brady's ace in the hole.

Defamation is an intentional tort. I can't imagine that there is anything in the CBA restricting Brady's right to choice of court venue in a defamation case. Brady lives in MA so he could file suit in Massachusetts where Goodell's popularity is somewhere between Bill Lambeer and the Boston Marathon Bomber. He could command a jury verdict in MA that looks like a telephone number (including the area code). Goodell is not exactly a judgment proof defendant (family wealth plus over $40M/year salary) and he wouldn't be able to bankrupt out of an intentional tort verdict.

What I'm suggesting is it may be in Goodell's best interest to lift the suspension and exonerate Brady especially since he's yanked away a few picks with the Kraft capitulation. Patriots fans will rightly cry "foul" if the Brady suspension is vacated but the draft pick loss stands but no one else in the country will give a sh*t.

This is why I hold out some hope for Brady's suspension to be completely vacated . . . it may be in Goodell's selfish best interest to do so.

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While I would love for this to happen, Goodell just seems to be more of the stubborn refuse to admit being wrong type of person. Nothing he has done since becoming commissioner reveals him to have any kind of introspection in his personality. Besides that, the NFL office would likely be protection for him personally being sued.

Brady won't win a defamation suit. he would have to prove actual malace to defame by the NFL. The NFL screwed up, but was it done maliciously to defame him? also, brady is a public figure so the standard to prove defamation is even higher.

Nunchucks said:

While I would love for this to happen, Goodell just seems to be more of the stubborn refuse to admit being wrong type of person. Nothing he has done since becoming commissioner reveals him to have any kind of introspection in his personality. Besides that, the NFL office would likely be protection for him personally being sued.

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No, the jury could allocate the damages (dollar amounts) among the defendants so I don't think Goodell can simply assume he's insulated from personal exposure. I expect both he and the NFL will be named defendants.

Tony2046 said:

My curiosity is that if the Wells report is debunked in court and it is proven that nothing was done how does Roger maintain the loss of draft picks?

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Kraft accepted it

TommyBrady12 said:

Brady has no basis for a defamation suit. sorry folks. he would have to prove malicious intent to defame by the NFL. The NFL screwed up, but was it deliberately done to defame him? also, brady is a public figure so the standard to prove defamation is even higher.

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Disagree. Knowingly publishing an incorrect psi reading to make Brady look like a cheater should be enough to get the case to a jury IMO.

YOUGOTMOSSED said:

Disagree. Knowingly publishing an incorrect psi reading to make Brady look like a cheater should be enough to get the case to a jury IMO.

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that's a good argument, but you would have to find a smoking gun email from kensil or giardi thst clearly indicates they knew the PSI numbers were wrong and went ahead and gave them to Mort anyway. that won't be easy.

YOUGOTMOSSED said:

Disagree. Knowingly publishing an incorrect psi reading to make Brady look like a cheater should be enough to get the case to a jury IMO.

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Particularly when, two months later the NFL* sent the Pats the correct readings, but forced the Pats to honor a NDA so they could not publicly correct the misinformation that had already been diseminated.

patfanken said:

Ultimately it would be fine for Brady, but it would keep him off the field in 2015 until the court makes its decision.

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Not it wouldn't Brady's legal counsel will file an injunction so the NFL can't enforce the suspension while it is being litigated.

TommyBrady12 said:

that's a good argument, but you would have to find a smoking gun email from kensil or giardi thst clearly indicates they knew the PSI numbers were wrong and went ahead and gave them to Mort anyway. that won't be easy.

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Knowing publishing incorrect information IS malice.

ESPN can defame Brady and the Patriots to their hearts content because they can simply take the position that they were simply quoting what they reasonably believed was a reliable source of information-namely, some representative in the NFL.

The NFL Network doesn't really have that luxury because, strictly speaking, it is the SOURCE.

Tony2046 said:

Ben Volin has Google on speed dial evidently.

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Must have had the wrong number on that Kraft Foundation fiasco.

TommyBrady12 said:

Brady won't win a defamation suit. he would have to prove actual malace to defame by the NFL. The NFL screwed up, but was it done maliciously to defame him? also, brady is a public figure so the standard to prove defamation is even higher.

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Malice, in U.S. legal terms, doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

TommyBrady12 said:

Brady won't win a defamation suit. he would have to prove actual malace to defame by the NFL. The NFL screwed up, but was it done maliciously to defame him? also, brady is a public figure so the standard to prove defamation is even higher.

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1. The NFL leaked incorrect PSI numbers.
2. The NFL knew the leaked numbers were wrong.
3. The Patriots were forbidden by the NFL to correct the information (can someone verify that).

If #3 above is correct, how is that not willful and malicious?