Kraft has Broken Patsfans.

chasa said:

even if brady fights on. Roger dumps the suspension and it looks like Kraft paid him off(again) Brady suspended any amount of games, he is a cheater. Brady wins in court(Doesn't matter the patriots admitted that they cheated) brady loses in court (hes a cheater)

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It was already like that. You're kidding yourself if you think there was ANY path that would have stopped people from calling the Pats cheaters down the road. That ended the day after the AFCCG. Actually, it ended back in 2007. Nothing was going to change it. That doesn't mean that wouldn't have been heartening to see them fight, or that getting the draft picks back wouldn't be important. It just wouldn't do anything to change the narrative going forward.

rochrist said:

It was already like that. You're kidding yourself if you think there was ANY path that would have stopped people from calling the Pats cheaters down the road. That ended the day after the AFCCG. Actually, it ended back in 2007. Nothing was going to change it. That doesn't mean that wouldn't have been heartening to see them fight, or that getting the draft picks back wouldn't be important. It just wouldn't do anything to change the narrative going forward.

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Had it gone to court and been overturned, we could have done what Saints fans do. We could have pointed that out and said, essentially, "scoreboard".

Patsfans is not broken
I am
Fan since 1960
Met Kraft & talked with him & his wife several times at Smithfield
Big Kraft supporter especially against those sluring his background & citing cheapness
Never freaked out over Kansas City; went to the Cincinnati game expecting a big win & got it
Knew Brady was not "In decline" as so many threads claimed early last season

But now I am crushed by this craven betrayal that was so unnecessary and so soon

Just re-contributed to Patsfans site

Not contributing any $ to Kraft for 2015. One year at a time. Would go to a Brady's last season game.

The forum is here for fans of the team to come together as a voice and air out their opinions, concerns, *****ing, complaining, praises, etc. In that context, the forum is working just as it's intended to. Kraft did more damage to his team in one press conference yesterday than any "haters" could have in 100 years. It's no surprise the fans are coming together as a pretty unified group and airing their disgust.

Deus Irae said:

Had it gone to court and been overturned, we could have done what Saints fans do. We could have pointed that out and said, essentially, "scoreboard".

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If Goodell does not rescind the suspension, which would require he diverge from the conclusions of his own investigation (Wells/Pash report), and Brady continues pursuing his case, this outcome is still possible. A judge could conclude that the investigation was a sham and any resulting penalties baseless.

Chiuba E. Obele said:

Unless Brady fights on ... which I think all of us are hoping for

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This may be are only hope to save the dignity and honor of the patriots, that brady fights goodell and kraft in court and wins. If he goes to court to save his reputation and wins he will save the reputation of the team.

It's ALWAYS on Brady's back

We and especially Kraft are not worthy

Joey007 said:

Seriously, we've seen this forum get twisted upside down before like during the KC game, but nothing like this.

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I know something's not right when the "Jets Suck" thread falls off the first page.

You can thank me later for giving it a bump, if for nothing else, old time's sake.

But I agree with the earlier posting: Kraft put his concerns about the league's integrity over his concerns for his team, and it's absurd given that this episode clearly shows the league has no integrity to protect! If he was concerned about the league's integrity he'd fight back against ******** reports that can't even say for sure which gauge was used to measure the balls, etc.

I've never felt literal disdain for anyone in sports, but I do now for Kraft.

I think the media, even the local media, underestimates just how much New England now hates this man, because they underestimate how much New England loves Tom Brady.

If Brady gets his suspension overturned, week #1 is going to be a buzz saw "we're on to Cincinnati" style for Kraft as much as it will be for Goodell and Pittsburgh. Expect Collinsworth to be forced to mention the hate Kraft receives from Gillette stadium. Yeah, buying a ticket will give Robert more money, but nobody will be buying it for him, and when Brady's gone, good look selling out the stadium.

Brady! Brady! Brady! Brady!

reflexblue said:

This may be are only hope to save the dignity and honor of the patriots, that brady fights goodell and kraft in court and wins. If he goes to court to save his reputation and wins he will save the reputation of the team.

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I'd love to see some kind of "redemption story" in the media.

However as I keep saying, nothing in Kraft's previous pronouncements, his presser, Goodell's presser, or Brady's future success or failure on the suspension does anything in regard to the dignity and honor of the Patriots.

Your second sentence is about the "reputation" of the team. That's appropriate, although I tend to agree that since 2007, the team - and its fans - already had that crap to contend with, pretty much forever.

Everybody vent all you want. Caught this, on another thread... maybe it brings some of you peace, maybe not.

http://www.patspulpit.com/2015/5/19/8627375/deflategate-why-robert-kraft-had-to-give-up-patriots

Who knows. I'm not an owners-meeting-watcher, like some kind of Kremlin-watcher who claims to know what's going on based on who stood closest to the Soviet leader at the May Day parade.

All I know is that the "honor and dignity" of the Patriots do not depend on things said at the podium. I accord everything "real" about the Pats to what happens on the field.

The Colts don't. They think they win in the press after getting their butts kicked in the game. The JEST think they win in the press in the offseason. Other fans think they win in the off-season saying "at least my sorry team doesn't have to cheat to win."

As to the "integrity of the game" or the "integrity of the league"... pffft. It's been years and years of continually changing the rules. Yes they want to change the game we all remember. The game we all remember apparently has narrow appeal. So far, I still love football. The PAT change will take a ton of getting used to, not because it matters, it's just the PAT from the 2 was so iconic.

Dinosaurs like me are a minority I guess. Admittedly I don't watch Soccer... but do they change the rules constantly? I've never heard about a rules change issue in Soccer, and that's the only sport I can think the NFL is using as a model now (international competition, since NFL > NBA, MLB, NHL, NASCAR.)

Note - not to mention that many rules changes have been introduced as the result of complaining that the Pats are better at the game as currently played that some other whiner's team. The Colts are especially frustrated with this, not to mention the JEST. Two teams that could not get past New England... ever. And the sources of these two "soul crushing" "reputation destroying" "scandals" are... you guessed it.

I can't believe he HUGGED Goodell then accepted the full punishment. I'm not sure what disgusts me more, it might be that f***ing hug. I could have lived with the draft picks.. but that god damn hug.

PatsWickedPissah said:

Patsfans is not broken
I am
Fan since 1960
Met Kraft & talked with him & his wife several times at Smithfield
Big Kraft supporter especially against those sluring his background & citing cheapness
Never freaked out over Kansas City; went to the Cincinnati game expecting a big win & got it
Knew Brady was not "In decline" as so many threads claimed early last season

But now I am crushed by this craven betrayal that was so unnecessary and so soon

Just re-contributed to Patsfans site

Not contributing any $ to Kraft for 2015. One year at a time. Would go to a Brady's last season game.

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Likewise. I've worn the laundry since '74, and I'll continue to. However, I won't give Kraft another dime. If I want another jersey or Tee, or something else, I'll buy it off of ebay, or some knockoff Chinese site. I won't buy legit Patriots or NFL merchandise again.

I would try and go to Brady's last game, but I'm not going to Foxboro, and especially not to any of the shops, the hotel, etc, down there. Kraft lost me with his cowardly action(s). The only time I'll go back to anything like normal is when he sells off the team to a new owner.

Thing is, Kraft always told us he was one of us. He was a fan who sat in the seats and bought the team because it meant so much to so many of us. We all bought into that. Hell, we even went out of our way to support and console him when he lost his wife. And how are we repaid? By being stabbed in the heart and having the welcome mat brought inside.

So to hell with the Foxboro Coward. I'll cheer on my team, and watch the games, but there's not another nickle coming out of my pocket to support Kraft or any of his family of enablers.

PatsFanInVa said:

I'd love to see some kind of "redemption story" in the media.

However as I keep saying, nothing in Kraft's previous pronouncements, his presser, Goodell's presser, or Brady's future success or failure on the suspension does anything in regard to the dignity and honor of the Patriots.

Your second sentence is about the "reputation" of the team. That's appropriate, although I tend to agree that since 2007, the team - and its fans - already had that crap to contend with, pretty much forever.

Everybody vent all you want. Caught this, on another thread... maybe it brings some of you peace, maybe not.

http://www.patspulpit.com/2015/5/19/8627375/deflategate-why-robert-kraft-had-to-give-up-patriots

Who knows. I'm not an owners-meeting-watcher, like some kind of Kremlin-watcher who claims to know what's going on based on who stood closest to the Soviet leader at the May Day parade.

All I know is that the "honor and dignity" of the Patriots do not depend on things said at the podium. I accord everything "real" about the Pats to what happens on the field.

The Colts don't. They think they win in the press after getting their butts kicked in the game. The JEST think they win in the press in the offseason. Other fans think they win in the off-season saying "at least my sorry team doesn't have to cheat to win."

As to the "integrity of the game" or the "integrity of the league"... pffft. It's been years and years of continually changing the rules. Yes they want to change the game we all remember. The game we all remember apparently has narrow appeal. So far, I still love football. The PAT change will take a ton of getting used to, not because it matters, it's just the PAT from the 2 was so iconic.

Dinosaurs like me are a minority I guess. Admittedly I don't watch Soccer... but do they change the rules constantly? I've never heard about a rules change issue in Soccer, and that's the only sport I can think the NFL is using as a model now (international competition, since NFL > NBA, MLB, NHL, NASCAR.)

Note - not to mention that many rules changes have been introduced as the result of complaining that the Pats are better at the game as currently played that some other whiner's team. The Colts are especially frustrated with this, not to mention the JEST. Two teams that could not get past New England... ever. And the sources of these two "soul crushing" "reputation destroying" "scandals" are... you guessed it.

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God damn. This is one of the best posts I've read about this... whatever the hell it is.

Thank you.

I think the NFL is currently using the USGA as a model.

PatsFanInVa said:

I'd love to see some kind of "redemption story" in the media.

However as I keep saying, nothing in Kraft's previous pronouncements, his presser, Goodell's presser, or Brady's future success or failure on the suspension does anything in regard to the dignity and honor of the Patriots.

Your second sentence is about the "reputation" of the team. That's appropriate, although I tend to agree that since 2007, the team - and its fans - already had that crap to contend with, pretty much forever.

Everybody vent all you want. Caught this, on another thread... maybe it brings some of you peace, maybe not.

http://www.patspulpit.com/2015/5/19/8627375/deflategate-why-robert-kraft-had-to-give-up-patriots

Who knows. I'm not an owners-meeting-watcher, like some kind of Kremlin-watcher who claims to know what's going on based on who stood closest to the Soviet leader at the May Day parade.

All I know is that the "honor and dignity" of the Patriots do not depend on things said at the podium. I accord everything "real" about the Pats to what happens on the field.

The Colts don't. They think they win in the press after getting their butts kicked in the game. The JEST think they win in the press in the offseason. Other fans think they win in the off-season saying "at least my sorry team doesn't have to cheat to win."

As to the "integrity of the game" or the "integrity of the league"... pffft. It's been years and years of continually changing the rules. Yes they want to change the game we all remember. The game we all remember apparently has narrow appeal. So far, I still love football. The PAT change will take a ton of getting used to, not because it matters, it's just the PAT from the 2 was so iconic.

Dinosaurs like me are a minority I guess. Admittedly I don't watch Soccer... but do they change the rules constantly? I've never heard about a rules change issue in Soccer, and that's the only sport I can think the NFL is using as a model now (international competition, since NFL > NBA, MLB, NHL, NASCAR.)

Note - not to mention that many rules changes have been introduced as the result of complaining that the Pats are better at the game as currently played that some other whiner's team. The Colts are especially frustrated with this, not to mention the JEST. Two teams that could not get past New England... ever. And the sources of these two "soul crushing" "reputation destroying" "scandals" are... you guessed it.

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That article you cite by patspulpit.com is poorly reasoned (and very poorly edited). Winning an appeal might have been a lost cause from the start but it doesn't just end there. Kraft had other options that would've saved face with fans while keeping him alive in the Rich Boys' Club. Does anyone really believe he could've lost the franchise by RIGHTLY pushing hard on an appeal over this nonsense?

I draw the line at claiming to believe I know everything the 32 illuminati do in some farking resort every off-season. Maybe you're right Tune. I can't even track who likes who in an office until somebody tells me the juicy, usually inaccurate gossip from the holiday party. Fug it.

chasa said:

Every game the team wins for the rest of BB and Brady and Kraft's careers will be followed by "did they cheat to win this game?" And we as fans, and the patriots as an organization no longer have any defense against that allegation.

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What was your "defense" going to be prior to the events of yesterday? "But..but..we're not cheaters, and I can prove it, because our owner filed a futile appeal that was quickly shot down by the commissioner?"

Look, I get it--Kraft acted as though he was considering an appeal and then changed his mind under the pressure of other owners. That sucks, but it isn't like you were going to have much of a defense either way.

Joey007 said:

Pessimism is being very positively received.

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"Pessimism" isn't the right world, unless you're talking about predictions of OTHER people's reactions or opinions.

But yes -- people think the awfulness of today is unlikely to change enough to suit them. That's one of the main complaints, albeit far from the only one.

Mr. Plow said:

God damn. This is one of the best posts I've read about this... whatever the hell it is.

Thank you.

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It is absolutely my pleasure.

This team is unscathed, untouched... the last time this happened, we were damn close to undefeated.

This team's reputation for those who ain't us? Don't care. Hell I actually enjoy picking out the speculation, mischaracterizations, omissions, one-sided reporting, etc. - I'm having fun "counting the ways" they feel they need to pillory the Pats. It's just an ongoing display of the lengths some of these guys will go to.

Even if it goes the opposite direction, and they finally "get to" the team... don't think it's going to happen, but even if... Fan for life here waiting for the next ring.

ChoWZa said:

I can't believe he HUGGED Goodell then accepted the full punishment. I'm not sure what disgusts me more, it might be that f***ing hug. I could have lived with the draft picks.. but that god damn hug.

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Yeah, once I heard about the hug with Goodell I started to feel much worse. I still don't think it makes any difference in the big picture of things, but I'd have much rather seen Kraft appeal just for the sake of appealing.