16 PSI incident: Anyone else bothered by this?

sb1 · May 11, 2015

If it's well known that Brady likes the footballs on the low end of the range....then how did this happen? Was this merely a coincidence or did someone actually order the refs to do this to try to impact Brady's passing....and rig the football game for the Jets?

If the Pats "broke the rules" by deflating to the correct amount... then why do the rules leave the door open for such a thing to happen?

And why wasn't this looked at in the report?

Bella*chick · May 11, 2015

Yes,because not only does Brady not like them at 16 but it's illegal for them to be in that range! That is WAY over 13.5.

chasa · May 11, 2015

The whole report bothers me. There is a constant string of events in that report that show incompetence at every level of the league office. From goodell, to the rules committee all the way down to the back up refs.

Goodell not warning the patriots to stop any potential shenanigans.

The rules committee making rules that don't take weather into account

League officials setting up stings

League officials stealing balls and selling them independently.

Refs not recording measurements

Refs not keeping track of which gauges are used

Refs not knowing if they switched gauges mid testing

Wells hiring a company that said second hand smoke doesnt cause cancer to do the science to determine if the balls could have naturally deflated

Refs not resetting the patriots balls to the same psi as the colts balls(end of game measurements for the colts balls were 1psi+ lower then the patriots balls(all over 13psi).

Brady repeated quoted as telling the equipment guys "Don't worry you didn't do anything wrong" and "Make sure the balls are 12.5 or 12.6 and give the refs the rulebook so they don't over fill" a string of conversations that show brady wanted the balls at x level.

There is one thing in the report that points to a potential wrong doing and its when that jack ass called himself the deflator, but that could mean he legally deflated balls before the refs took them, there is no evidence that he did it after the fact.

There is a giant pile of evidence that the league ****ed up. and not a single real piece of proof that the patriots did ANYTHING wrong.

NashuaPats · May 11, 2015

Yes, but it bothers me more that Wells glossed over the context of that conversation. Jastremski was telling McNally that Brady was upset the balls were 16 while they should have been 13. If in fact the two were tampering with the balls, Jastremski should have expected the psi to be something like 11.5. The context of the conversation contradicts any interpretation of individual texts. The expectation of 13 is evidence of innocence which does not require any creative inferences.

The Gr8est · May 11, 2015

What are the chances that it was a setup?

Inflate the balls to an unacceptable level to try and catch the Pats trying to deflate the balls into the legal range.

The fact the Rats were involved gives the thought more credence.

NashuaPats · May 11, 2015

chasa said:
The whole report bothers me. There is a constant string of events in that report that show incompetence at every level of the league office. From goodell, to the rules committee all the way down to the back up refs.

Goodell not warning the patriots to stop any potential shenanigans.

The rules committee making rules that don't take weather into account

League officials setting up stings

League officials stealing balls and selling them independently.

Refs not recording measurements

Refs not keeping track of which gauges are used

Refs not knowing if they switched gauges mid testing

Wells hiring a company that said second hand smoke doesnt cause cancer to do the science to determine if the balls could have naturally deflated

Refs not resetting the patriots balls to the same psi as the colts balls(end of game measurements for the colts balls were 1psi+ lower then the patriots balls(all over 13psi).

Brady repeated quoted as telling the equipment guys "Don't worry you didn't do anything wrong" and "Make sure the balls are 12.5 or 12.6 and give the refs the rulebook so they don't over fill" a string of conversations that show brady wanted the balls at x level.

There is one thing in the report that points to a potential wrong doing and its when that jack ass called himself the deflator, but that could mean he legally deflated balls before the refs took them, there is no evidence that he did it after the fact.

There is a giant pile of evidence that the league ****ed up. and not a single real piece of proof that the patriots did ANYTHING wrong.

I have a different interpretation of the guy calling himself the deflator. The refs obviously have a tendency to overinflate the balls when adding air while the QB does not like them like that. Since McNally is the only Pats employee present when the refs do this, he was given a task that technically falls outside of his job description to make sure the refs do not overinflate the balls or to make sure they deflate them back down after adding too much air. He comes across as a grumpy guy who is not pleased with this reponsibilty after having done the same job for a long time. So he mocks it, whines about it, and gives the much younger assistant equipment manager a hard time about it when the issue is brought up. Hence, nicknaming himself the deflator and harrasing/teasing Jastremski in the text messages.

Ivan · May 11, 2015

The Gr8est said:
What are the chances that it was a setup?

Inflate the balls to an unacceptable level to try and catch the Pats trying to deflate the balls into the legal range.

The fact the Rats were involved gives the thought more credence.

Possible but unlikely, however what it does demonstrate is the fallacy that psi matters to the refs or the league. If I'm Belichick I demand that a league official be present after every game and tape them checking the air pressure in every one of their game balls and demand sanctions on the officials if they aren't within the prescribed range.

Big-T · May 11, 2015

This was the game in week 7 on Thursday night before the Bears game right?

Just checked back, the referee for that game was Bill Leavy who's probably most famous for being the Steelers MVP in Super Bowl XL.

DarrylS · May 11, 2015

Might want to check out Peter Kings MMQB today, apparently he checked the difference for Brady between home games and away game.. there is no statistical difference.

FYI Ball Boys do not travel with the team.. so the other teams ball boys control them.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/05/11/dante-fowler-jaguars-tom-brady-deflategate-nfl-peter-king/

But if John Jastremski or Jim McNally have done any funny business with the balls over the past few years, the results sure don’t show it. Some telling numbers for Brady in the nine regular seasons between 2006 and 2014:

Home Games Road Games
Passer Rating 100.2 99.7
Passing Yards per Game 271.8 274.3
TD-to-Interception Differential Plus-96 Plus-96

TriplecHamp · May 11, 2015

because the "integrity of the game" only matters when it's part of the "patriots cheated" narrative.

FourierSeries · May 11, 2015

Big-T said:
This was the game in week 7 on Thursday night before the Bears game right?

Just checked back, the referee for that game was Bill Leavy who's probably most famous for being the Steelers MVP in Super Bowl XL.

Why isn't this being discussed more? Seems pretty relevant to me.

Show416 · May 11, 2015

It bothers me because it shows how little the refs, nfl, teams, etc cares about this crap but are making it out to be the scandal of the century. If Brady ruined the 'integrity of the game' by the same logic didnt the refs by allowed 16 psi balls?? Its such a stupid double standard

SVN · May 11, 2015

DarrylS said:
Might want to check out Peter Kings MMQB today, apparently he checked the difference for Brady between home games and away game.. there is no statistical difference.

FYI Ball Boys do not travel with the team.. so the other teams ball boys control them.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/05/11/dante-fowler-jaguars-tom-brady-deflategate-nfl-peter-king/

King doesnt need to do this research. The superbowl was proof enough as was the 2nd half of the AFCCG. As usual,useless stats from king.

IllegalContact · May 11, 2015

ssshhhhh.....there's a railroading in process

strngplyr · May 11, 2015

Correct me if I'm wrong but theres about as much proof of a ball being at almost 16 as there is any consistency between all of the readings for the underinflated balls.

Entire report is garbage, from the stuff that damns Brady and the locker room assistants to the stuff that gets them off the hook. It should all be thrown out. Complete, utter, ********.

upstater1 · May 11, 2015

strngplyr said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but theres about as much proof of a ball being at almost 16 as there is any consistency between all of the readings for the underinflated balls.

Entire report is garbage, from the stuff that damns Brady and the locker room assistants to the stuff that gets them off the hook. It should all be thrown out. Complete, utter, ********.

The 16 PSI is what Jaz measured a day after the game in October. Why would he lie?

Dr Pain · May 11, 2015

upstater1 said:
The 16 PSI is what Jaz measured a day after the game in October. Why would he lie?

And in a text to his girlfriend. This one text exchange shows refs screw up and Brady wants it legal at 13. This text exonerates them all I'm my opinion because if they were deflating how did the ball get to 16psi

SVN · May 11, 2015

The fact that wells included this in the report and still couldnt draw a conclusion from this shows they have no idea what they were investigating or how this works. They just did a keyword search of deflated/inflated/air/psi and if any appeared in the report- guilty.

Marko · May 11, 2015

It totally bothers me, as I be said in many posts it is a royal pain in the ass to pump one ball to 16 psi unless you are at a gas station. To do 12 balls to 16 had to have been on purpose even if it was Ed Hochuli

Oswlek · May 11, 2015

This single incident should have been enough to (edit: potentially) discredit the entire report. The fact that Wells doesn't feel it needs further elaboration is enough to demonstrate a serious lack of objectivity on his part.

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