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Deus Irae said:

That makes no sense.

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Please explain why

manxman2601 said:

It makes perfect sense. If someone hasn't watched a prospect on tape then they are in no position to criticise the pick.

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No, it doesn't. There is plenty to talk about beyond a player's tape. You know that.

Once again Bill Belichick provides increased urine flow in the forum ... gotta love it.

Gronkowski123 said:

as a card carrying member of the belichick fan club, it's impossible to spin this pick.

tavon wilson v2....this guy is another classic DB bust!!! no idea who the other guy is either. come on bill, listen to caserio for once.

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Once again, Tavon Wilson is hardly a bust.

http://www.patspulpit.com/2015/3/27...re-starters-tavon-wilson-is-showing-his-value

I am no draft guru, but I will admit that both absolutely seem like they were picked a round or two too early.

Deus Irae said:

No, it doesn't. There is plenty to talk about beyond a player's tape. You know that.

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It's fine to talk about a prospect. But it's impossible to consider a prospect "not good enough" if one hasn't watched him. My point is, there should be a reservation of judgement, not a rush to criticise.

IcyPatriot said:

Once again Bill Belichick provides increased urine flow in the forum ... gotta love it.

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Some of the comments have been coming out of the other side.

manxman2601 said:

It's fine to talk about a prospect. But it's impossible to consider a prospect "not good enough" if one hasn't watched him. My point is, there should be a reservation of judgement, not a rush to criticise.

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It goes both ways. The praise yesterday of Brown due to his ranking got everyone hot and bothered. Today, Bill has lost his mind. There is no inbetween for fans, and I should use the term fan lightly.

I dont know how I feel about any of the three picks yet, but I will have a better feel after tomorrow, and after rookie minicamp, and training camp, and preseason and yadayadayada

unoriginal said:

Caserio was in all likelihood the person who convinced Belichick to take Richards. He was at Stanford's Pro Day.

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fire him!

we could of gotten richards in the 7th round. LMAO come on bill!

manxman2601 said:

It's fine to talk about a prospect. But it's impossible to consider a prospect "not good enough" if one hasn't watched him. My point is, there should be a reservation of judgement, not a rush to criticise.

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These are reaction threads. Everyone knows this, even the homers. Just as with game threads and the like, if people can't bring more to the table than "But Bill, so good!" or "Bill's never gotten a pick right!", they shouldn't bother posting in the threads. They are bringing nothing to the table.

Also, if a safety ran a 6.5 40 (I'm being hyperbolic in the obvious hope of avoiding an argument over a cutoff speed), I'd be more than fine with someone rushing to criticize that pick in the second round on that alone.

And so would you.

Deus Irae said:

These are reaction threads. Everyone knows this, even the homers. Just as with game threads and the like, if people can't bring more to the table than "But Bill, so good!" or "Bill's never gotten a pick right!", they shouldn't bother posting in the threads. They are bringing nothing to the table.

Also, if a safety ran a 6.5 40 (I'm being hyperbolic in the obvious hope of avoiding an argument over a cutoff speed), I'd be more than fine with someone rushing to criticize that pick in the second round.

And so would you.

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I'd want to see how that forty was reflected in his film. There are some rather famous and oft-cited names that ran slow forties and dominated the league.

As far as I'm concerned, BB has earned the benefit of the doubt. I'm fine giving him that.

For the people complaining will you please tell us your vast knowledge of him from the hours of tape you've broken down? Because you all seem like experts I just want to know what you guys know. Because you're all really smart

manxman2601 said:

I'd want to see how that forty was reflected in his film. There are some rather famous and oft-cited names that ran slow forties and dominated the league.

As far as I'm concerned, BB has earned the benefit of the doubt. I'm fine giving him that.

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Others don't take your approach.

Look, we can both certainly agree on two things:

1. BB is excellent in round 1, at least arguably never missing during his Patriots tenure
2. As is to be expected, BB hits on less than half of his picks after round 1

Given those, why on Earth should it be so evil to question BB's picks (at least after the first round) that the homers have to try stopping all negative discussion? They sure as hell don't take the same approach when it's positive discussion, after all.

And why the hell do we have to go through this conversation every damn year?

Deflatemyballs said:

For the people complaining will you please tell us your vast knowledge of him from the hours of tape you've broken down? Because you all seem like experts I just want to know what you guys know. Because you're all really smart

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Almost everyone raved about the Brown pick from day 1 of the draft. Be sure you go calling all those people out, too.

From what I read, Richard seems like a very intelligent and capable player. But there's next to nothing that highlights his on-field abilities...very small film segments, and very few scouting reports. The information that is available has some great things to say about Richard's intangibles, but there's also questions about his coverage abilities, his speed, and overall athleticism.

I would love to see more analysis of him in the days to come....but it seems like he'll have lots to prove in the NFL-world

That said, welcome to Pats Nation, and best of luck Richards!

I think I am most intrigued by those posting in these threads that never once popped up in any thread in the past 4 months on the draft board, and are all of a sudden willing to drown themselves in the ocean.

I mean, 2nd round picks are great and all, but dont go all Champ Kind about them, is weird.

Deus Irae said:

Almost everyone raved about the Brown pick from day 1 of the draft. Be sure you go calling all those people out, too.

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Jamie Collins was a great pick

Deus Irae said:

Others don't take your approach.

Look, we can both certainly agree on two things:

1. BB is excellent in round 1, at least arguably never missing during his Patriots tenure
2. As is to be expected, BB hits on less than half of his picks after round 1

Given those, why on Earth should it be so evil to question BB's picks (at least after the first round) that the homers have to try stopping all negative discussion? They sure as hell don't take the same approach when it's positive discussion, after all.

And why the hell do we have to go through this conversation every damn year?

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We only do that in your fantasy world.

Deflatemyballs said:

Jamie Collins was a great pick

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I figured you were either trolling, a dupe, or both. Thanks for the confirmation. Welcome to the ignore list.

Deus Irae said:

I figured you were either trolling, a dupe, or both. Thanks for the confirmation. Welcome to the ignore list.

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Was he not a good pick though? Hey guys do I get a prize for getting ignored by the biggest blowhard on the site in the fastest time?

manxman2601 said:

We only do that in your fantasy world.

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Yes, you whine about disagreement in the real world. I'm not sure that's something you should be proud of.

Oddly enough, other forums are able to do it differently.