Not only did Butler WIN that game, the PATRIOTS did

Just remember this is not a fluke by some guy we so happened to pick up, just remember the Patriots were the ONLY team to ever give this hero a call and say 'come play professional football' and just remember the Pats never cut him and had him on the precipice of the main roster for most of the season meaning they showed faith in a guy that nobody did.

The Seahawks did not lose that game, there was nothing wrong with throwing on the one when you consider everybody slobbers on Peyton's jock strap when he throws TD's from the 1 almost every game yet now all of a sudden it's a crime because Seattle did it? Malcolm Butler and the Patriots won the game.

EP good post. I only say it's a crime to throw when you have Lynch, and yes they gave this guy a chance and it paid off for them. BB has a knack for finding diamonds in the rough.

PatCat said:

EP good post. I only say it's a crime to throw when you have Lynch, and yes they gave this guy a chance and it paid off for them. BB has a knack for finding diamonds in the rough.

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That's the only thing i can agree with and it's not merely just because they had Lynch, it's because our run D is pretty bad most of the time and sporadically good.

PatCat said:

EP good post. I only say it's a crime to throw when you have Lynch, and yes they gave this guy a chance and it paid off for them. BB has a knack for finding diamonds in the rough.

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Lynch was stopped earlier for a 1 yard loss on 3rd and 2........Lynch was by no means a given.....

Lynch's pass was the 109th time that a pass was attempted from the 1 yard line in 2014....it was the first one intercepted.......too much of this is falling on Carroll, and not enough on Wilson

IllegalContact said:

Lynch was stopped earlier for a 1 yard loss on 3rd and 2........Lynch was by no means a given.....

Lynch's pass was the 109th time that a pass was attempted from the 1 yard line in 2014....it was the first one intercepted.......too much of this is falling on Carroll, and not enough on Wilson

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"...too much of this is falling on Carroll, and not enough on Wilson."


I agree with the first statement, NOTt with the second statement.

The pass was perfectly thrown and placed.

Not enough CREDIT is falling on Malcolm Butler who objectively made one of the GREATEST CLUTCH plays out of nowhere in sports history.. 9 out of 10 times, that play works. Just watch Sports Science's breakdown of it and it will be made clear:

IllegalContact said:

Lynch was stopped earlier for a 1 yard loss on 3rd and 2........Lynch was by no means a given.....
Lynch's pass was the 109th time that a pass was attempted from the 1 yard line in 2014....it was the first one intercepted.......too much of this is falling on Carroll, and not enough on Wilson

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Agree entirely, except I don't think Wilson threw a bad pass. He put it right where that pass has to go. He can't throw it lower without it being batted down, or batted up and into an interception (watch the trajectory; it barely makes it over the line as it is). If he throws it farther behind the receiver, it runs the risk of bouncing off his trailing hands and into the arms of another Pats DB.

It was just a great play by a Patriots' player, not a bad play by Seattle.

Every single superbowl the Pats have been in could've had a different outcome on a single play.

If Harmon realizes the ball is in play goes for the interception -- which he could've done -- instead of jumping over Kearse then the game is over without much talk of the ending.

In this case, Butler only got into the game because Arrington sucked on Sunday; if Arrington played decently, Butler isn't on the field, maybe the interception doesn't happen. But if Brady doesn't throw one of 2 stupid picks, maybe Pats are up 10-14 points and that last sequence doesn't matter.

Other 5 SB appearances could've ended differently with a single play.

Felger and others were saying "they could've easily lost that game so just cause they got lucky doesn't make TB best of all time"
fail to realize "yes they got very unlucky and then very lucky in this one game, but overall they've been there 6 times, they been to the conference championship 9? times" so it doesn't matter if its 3 or 5 championships, what is important is the streak of 14+ years of excellence which is unmatched in the NFL. And when it's all said and down, it'll likely be a streak of 17 years of excellence.

shmessy said:

"...too much of this is falling on Carroll, and not enough on Wilson."


I agree with the first statement, NOTt with the second statement.

The pass was perfectly thrown and placed.

Not enough CREDIT is falling on Malcolm Butler who objectively made one of the GREATEST CLUTCH plays out of nowhere in sports history.. 9 out of 10 times, that play works. Just watch Sports Science's breakdown of it and it will be made clear:

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wrong.....my point was one from the offensive perspective.......butler was looking for exactly what happened....he did his job and deserves all the credit......the ball went past lockettes hands to get to butler....and the throw was anything but perfect.....first, it was way too high...that ball is supposed to be low enough so only one person has a chance to make the catch......second, it was either too far in front of lockette, or it was thrown too early and lockette was not into the route enough.

Butler deserves all the credit for seeing and taking advantage of the situation.......but there was flawed execution

funny how the seahawks fans forget that it was even "luck" that they were at the 1. Butler broke up the pass and somehow Kearse came up with a catch more rediculous than tyrees catch.

I just read that Ayers was pulled for Butler in a last minute sub on this play.

Question: Why, on the biggest defensive play of the game, are the backup LBs and CBs in the lineup?

Don't get me wrong, god bless that Butler was there.

IllegalContact said:

wrong.....my point was one from the offensive perspective.......butler was looking for exactly what happened....he did his job and deserves all the credit......the ball went past lockettes hands to get to butler....and the throw was anything but perfect.....first, it was way too high...that ball is supposed to be low enough so only one person has a chance to make the catch......second, it was either too far in front of lockette, or it was thrown too early and lockette was not into the route enough.

Butler deserves all the credit for seeing and taking advantage of the situation.......but there was flawed execution

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It "went past Lockette's hands to get to Butler"??????

Are you kidding me???? Did you not see that Butler BLASTED Lockette and his arms were hit out of the way by Butler - - who smartly understood that the LOS was already the 1 yard line so he could gamble on a PI to save the TD. And to your point that a quick one yard pass that short should be LOWER - sorry, no. Lockette is 6'2". Butler is 5'10". Nope.

Watch the Sports Science clip.

Butler planted his left foot within 0.1 seconds of lockette planting his right foot. That is incredible anticipation.

He then hits Lockette at 13 mph with almost 800lbs of force to knock his arms up.

We'll have to agree to disagree, but in my view, that was an incredible clutch feat by Butler.

shmessy said:

"...too much of this is falling on Carroll, and not enough on Wilson."


I agree with the first statement, NOTt with the second statement.

The pass was perfectly thrown and placed.

Not enough CREDIT is falling on Malcolm Butler who objectively made one of the GREATEST CLUTCH plays out of nowhere in sports history.. 9 out of 10 times, that play works. Just watch Sports Science's breakdown of it and it will be made clear:

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Disagree on this Shmessy, that pass should have been back shoulder where only Lockette could have caught it. I agree that Butler made a great play but if Wilson had put the ball where he was supposed to Butler would have had to run through Lockette and would have gotten a foul. That said I agree with the overall view that the Patriots beat the Seahawks, the fluke was the circus catch by Kearse, not the interception by Butler.

Why does anyone care what Felger or the rest of the douchebag haters think? They are simply going to find excuses to run down Belichick, Brady, and the Patriots. That's what they do and how they make their money.

Ivan said:

Disagree on this Shmessy, that pass should have been back shoulder where only Lockette could have caught it. I agree that Butler made a great play but if Wilson had put the ball where he was supposed to Butler would have had to run through Lockette and would have gotten a foul. That said I agree with the overall view that the Patriots beat the Seahawks, the fluke was the circus catch by Kearse, not the interception by Butler.

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I hear ya, Ivan. But 9 times out of 10, the CB does not make the play on THIS ball leading the WR in.

That play by Butler was a very ballsy anticipation play. He took a very big gamble. He sniffed it out and had done his study.

The other thing is (for those who have seen the NFL Films last night) the two assistant coaches who tagged on to the "Corner 3-Cover 3" and who alertly got Ayers off the field and shouted at "Malcolm!!" to get in there at the last moment, should be praised very much.

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I hear ya, Ivan. But 9 times out of 10, the CB does not make the play on THIS ball leading the WR in.

That play by Butler was a very ballsy anticipation play. He took a very big gamble. He sniffed it out and had done his study.

The other thing is (for those who have seen the NFL Films last night) the two assistant coaches who tagged on to the "Corner 3-Cover 3" and who alertly got Ayers off the field and shouted at "Malcolm!!" to get in there at the last moment, should be praised very much.

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No disagreement on that Butler broke as the ball was leaving Wilson's hand, it was a great play, but if Wilson puts it back shoulder no CB would ever have a chance. It doesn't take away from Butler in any way IMO, that was still a great play.

Anyone who thinks Seattle outplayed the Patriots didn't watch the game, Seattle was lucky to have a chance at the end.

QUOTE="Ivan, post: 4115710, member: 29357"]that pass should have been back shoulder where only Lockette could have caught it. I agree that Butler made a great play but if Wilson had put the ball where he was supposed to Butler would have had to run through Lockette and would have gotten a foul.[/QUOTE]

I've seen three former NFL QB's on TV saying that the pass was thrown perfectly. Wilson, at his height, can't throw that pass lower. If thrown behind him farther, it is running against his forward movement and would be very difficult to catch, and possibly bounce of his back shoulder.

The play was designed to use Kearse as a pick. It's fair to assume Wilson is depending on that to happen for the play to be successful. Browner blows up Kearse, negating the pick and allowing Butler to make a clean break on Lockette. So, if I'm reading some people's opinion correctly, what Wilson should have done is see, in a fraction of a second, that the pick didn't work, assume Butler was going to have inside position (even though he started the play outside of Lockette) and throw back shoulder instead of right on Lockette's hands (the WR who is 20 pounds bigger than the CB)?

Yeah, I'm not gonna kill Wilson for that scenario.

betterthanthealternative said:

QUOTE="Ivan, post: 4115710, member: 29357"]that pass should have been back shoulder where only Lockette could have caught it. I agree that Butler made a great play but if Wilson had put the ball where he was supposed to Butler would have had to run through Lockette and would have gotten a foul.

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I've seen three former NFL QB's on TV saying that the pass was thrown perfectly. Wilson, at his height, can't throw that pass lower. If thrown behind him farther, it is running against his forward movement and would be very difficult to catch, and possibly bounce of his back shoulder.[/QUOTE]

And I heard Steve Young say that Wilson was supposed to go back shoulder to protect the throw and that made sense to me. I won't pretend to know enough to know who is right so I'm fine leaving it at Burlier making a great play that will go down in football history.

Ivan said:

I've seen three former NFL QB's on TV saying that the pass was thrown perfectly. Wilson, at his height, can't throw that pass lower. If thrown behind him farther, it is running against his forward movement and would be very difficult to catch, and possibly bounce of his back shoulder.

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And I heard Steve Young say that Wilson was supposed to go back shoulder to protect the throw and that made sense to me. I won't pretend to know enough to know who is right so I'm fine leaving it at Burlier making a great play that will go down in football history.[/QUOTE]

I side thinking it was thrown very close to exactly where it should be. If Butler doesn't anticipate and blow up the play, the ball WOULD of been middle to back shoulder of where the receiver was supposed to end up.