The Revis Contract

Oswlek said:

$12.5mm for Revis? NE would drop that in a heartbeat. The problem is that Revis' actual market value will be closer to $16mm a year, and that is a taller order.

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I would agree that $12.5 is reasonable for Revis but as I stated in an earlier post, a lot of how a deal is consumated is cap hit, guarantees, and cap charge if cut.

Revis will be 30. Peterson, Sherman and Hayden all ave around $14m annually and have received signing bonuses in that range w/ guarantees around $40m give or take a fewmillion.

Revis is not worth $2m more annually than those players.

robertweathers said:

I would agree that $12.5 is reasonable for Revis but as I stated in an earlier post, a lot of how a deal is consumated is cap hit, guarantees, and cap charge if cut.

Revis will be 30. Peterson, Sherman and Hayden all ave around $14m annually and have received signing bonuses in that range w/ guarantees around $40m give or take a fewmillion.

Revis is not worth $2m more annually than those players.

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I might argue that he is, but my reason for the increase was mostly due to inflation.

We should understand that if Revis is still with the team next year the current $25MM cap number will likely drop $10MM. I think the Pats would do a 3-4yr deal for $12MM/yr in a nanosecond. I'm guessing Revis will be looking for something in the range of $16MM/yr, which I don't think the Pats will pay.

My hope is that by having a good experience this year, he will drop his demands to the $14MM range and they negotiate something in the middle. But understand this, any contract Revis signs will be in REAL dollars, not some of the phony baloney deals like Kapernick's If its a $50MM deal, it will likely be structured so that Revis will be LIKELY to get all of that money.

Oswlek said:

I might argue that he is, but my reason for the increase was mostly due to inflation.

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Now that I think about it, you may be right but I'm not sure it has anything to do with inflation (with the cap going up maybe??) but because of Revis's age. Because Hayden, Sherman and Peterson are younger, then can get a "smaller" signing bonus (Hayden received $11m I think..) but have the $ spread out. Because of Revis's age, a "more money/more signing bonus" up-front but reasonable cap hit in year 2 or 3 would be easier to stomach than the other guy's current cap schedules...Pure speculation. Depends on how the Pats cap situation shakes out for 2015...

All depends how they structure the deal and how much guaranteed $ he receives gets spread out.

I don't know. I just think if Pats offer him $12.5-$13M AAV he stays. I mean if he was looking for top dollar at this point in his career he would have went somewhere else and not immediately signed with the Pats, it's not like he got released in May, he got relased the 2nd day of Free Agency. Those 3 last years, 2 with the jests and last year with Tampa made him realize that he could forgo some AAV to be on a winning team.

I think that option that was included in this deal he signed was a starting point for a new contract.

JMC00 said:

I don't know. I just think if Pats offer him $12.5-$13M AAV he stays. I mean if he was looking for top dollar at this point in his career he would have went somewhere else and not immediately signed with the Pats, it's not like he got released in May, he got relased the 2nd day of Free Agency. I just think those 3 last years, 2 with the jests and last year with Tampa made him realize that he could forgo some AAV to be on a winning team.

I think that option that was included in this deal he signed was a starting point for a new contract.

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I do agree, I feel like when he accepted the deal with us he became less of a mercenary and someone who wanted to win.

Very few players speak out against the team they are on but few also shower them with compliments as much as Revis has done. I honestly think he loves the culture and his teammates here. Winning is a drug, and it's an addictive one at that.

Unless he hides it very well and he's actually a locker room malcontent (and I just can't imagine allowing him to have media access if he were) then I cannot imagine a better scenario for Revis and the team than to lock him up long term.

JMC00 said:

I don't know. I just think if Pats offer him $12.5-$13M AAV he stays. I mean if he was looking for top dollar at this point in his career he would have went somewhere else and not immediately signed with the Pats, it's not like he got released in May, he got relased the 2nd day of Free Agency. Those 3 last years, 2 with the jests and last year with Tampa made him realize that he could forgo some AAV to be on a winning team.

I think that option that was included in this deal he signed was a starting point for a new contract.

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I'd like to believe that, but Darrelle has a long history of seeking top compensation. Only time will tell if the experience here has altered his perspective.

As for the option, it seems probable that Revis wanted assurances that he couldn't be franchised in year 2 and NE wanted to lower the first year cap hit. Tacking a phony year on accomplished both goals.

strngplyr said:

I do agree, I feel like when he accepted the deal with us he became less of a mercenary and someone who wanted to win.

Very few players speak out against the team they are on but few also shower them with compliments as much as Revis has done. I honestly think he loves the culture and his teammates here. Winning is a drug, and it's an addictive one at that.

Unless he hides it very well and he's actually a locker room malcontent (and I just can't imagine allowing him to have media access if he were) then I cannot imagine a better scenario for Revis and the team than to lock him up long term.

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Funny. I do think he is being genuine but I also think part of his talking about his glowing endorsements players, organization, etc is ensuring that the Pats are a player for his services in 2015...I mean why eliminate a potential employer and another team from driving up the price?

Just seeing the angles and bad side of people..

Oswlek said:

I'd like to believe that, but Darrelle has a long history of seeking top compensation.

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He does have the history, but prior to coming here has he ever talked about his team the way he is now? I don't think he said much of anything with the Jets or Bucs outside of the "one word answer" game the media played with him unless it was contract time.

In NE he routinely talks about the culture and how happy he is to be where he is.

strngplyr said:

He does have the history, but prior to coming here has he ever talked about his team the way he is now? I don't think he said much of anything with the Jets or Bucs outside of the "one word answer" game the media played with him unless it was contract time.

In NE he routinely talks about the culture and how happy he is to be where he is.

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Which may well be meaningful. Or it may not. Or it may be meaningful if the choice is between NE for $13mm and Oakland at $15mm, but not as much if the two teams are the Patriots and the Saints.

strngplyr said:

He does have the history, but prior to coming here has he ever talked about his team the way he is now? I don't think he said much of anything with the Jets or Bucs outside of the "one word answer" game the media played with him unless it was contract time.

In NE he routinely talks about the culture and how happy he is to be where he is.

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Meh. Do some Googling and you'll find Revis waxing poetic about teammates, Rex etc.

He did say this about Mangina.

Jets players speak of Mangini’s technical expertise with admiration, but they say he created an atmosphere of suspicion and unease and had a penchant for humiliating individuals in front of the team. “Mangini’s very smart,” says Revis, the Jets cornerback. “But he was too intense, and a lot of guys didn’t like that. He came at guys with personal stuff. My rookie year, the left tackle had played 10, 11 years — Anthony Clement. At training camp, he missed a block. Mangini was like, ‘You’ve been playing left tackle 10, 11 years, and you still suck.’ I was like: ‘Come on! Respect that he’s played 10, 11 years.’ The average football career is three years. As a team, we felt that was overboard. The stuff he’d say could get out of hand.” The day after Mangini’s third season ended, so did his time in Florham Park.

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robertweathers said:

Meh. Do some Googling and you'll find Revis waxing poetic about teammates, Rex etc.

He did say this about Mangina.

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He probably hears that every few minutes from BB

Theres a big difference in that style of coaching when it works though, the teams responded to one coach and not the other.

Lets not forget that our HC lets the guys know when he thinks a highschool team could take them on after playing or practicing like they did.

Revis will not play out a multiyear deal with a dysfunctional franchise because at some point they will figure out that a CB doesn't change their picture, the only position able to do that is QB, and they will dump him just like Tampa did.

Revis makes a difference in a contender, where his services can make a big difference in the playoffs or in the battle for HFA, but those teams have other stars to pay. I might be wrong, but I believe he is not going to sign a multiyear deal with Raiders, Jaguars, Titans, etc... Maybe he can still sign 1 year fully guaranteed deals every season with a different team.

Revis as a ruthless mercenary cutthroat is nothing more than Jet fan nonsense.

Revis was the lowest paid DB on the NY Jets at the time of his hold out, while being the most elite corner in football. Straight up jag-nobodies were getting paid more than Revis was.

Eric Smith, a back up defender put on special teams, was getting paid more than Revis.

The guy had every right to want compensation. Revis isn't a selfish mercenary. Woody is just a moron.

strngplyr said:

He probably hears that every few minutes from BB

Theres a big difference in that style of coaching when it works though, the teams responded to one coach and not the other.

Lets not forget that our HC lets the guys know when he thinks a highschool team could take them on after playing or practicing like they did.

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If you listen to Tuna, BB or the great coaches that last a long time and win, they'll bust on the veterans only when they have a relationship with them and/or a mutual respect has been developed between the two.

If what Revis stated is true, The Rat was an idiot to treat him that way and clearly lacks respect for people and people skills in general.

PATS16N0 said:

Revis as a ruthless mercenary cutthroat is nothing more than Jet fan nonsense.

Revis was the lowest paid DB on the NY Jets at the time of his hold out, while being the most elite corner in football. Straight up jag-nobodies were getting paid more than Revis was.

Eric Smith, a back up defender put on special teams, was getting paid more than Revis.

The guy had every right to want compensation. Revis isn't a selfish mercenary. Woody is just a moron.

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Which is why I don't buy at all that he wanted to go back to the jests. That was just a dig at that organization to make them look bad to the fans, he knew that Johnson didn't want him back so why not put it out there that they were your top choice. "Hey I wanted to back but they didn't want me and now i'm with your #1 rival"

PATS16N0 said:

Revis as a ruthless mercenary cutthroat is nothing more than Jet fan nonsense.

Revis was the lowest paid DB on the NY Jets at the time of his hold out, while being the most elite corner in football. Straight up jag-nobodies were getting paid more than Revis was.

Eric Smith, a back up defender put on special teams, was getting paid more than Revis.

The guy had every right to want compensation. Revis isn't a selfish mercenary. Woody is just a moron.

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Revis' two contracts with the Jests averaged 7 and 8m per year, the latter signed in 2010. I don't think Smith or Cromartie were making that with Revis on the roster.

I also don't believe he was even an underpaid corner at the time of those deals either. Remember that the corner market didn't explode until 2012 where Finnegan, Flowers and Carr signed their 10m/year deals, which I believe were record setters at the time.

In 2013 he signed another record setting deal, though with 0 guarantees before the market truly exploded again in 2014 and he once again signed a deal to be the highest paid CB in the league, which was subsequently broken by Shermand and others.

He held out twice for money (as a rookie and in 2010) and on a 3rd occasion forced a trade and on a 4th got himself released. Note: the latter 2 were not hold outs but disagreements about his value with the team.

The season isn't over, so it is too early to know how he'll act here, but from what I've seen his personality has changed since joining a winning culture.

He's made far more than the average NFL player and maybe more than any defensive player to date in NFL history. Hopefully he knows he's set and enjoys winning enough to want to stay. I think he stays. But to argue that he hasn't chased the money, including coming here (our deal at face value says he's being paid 16m/year, which I believe is still tops in the NFL at any non-QB position), is just wrong in my opinion.

strngplyr said:

Revis' two contracts with the Jests averaged 7 and 8m per year, the latter signed in 2010. I don't think Smith or Cromartie were making that with Revis on the roster.

I also don't believe he was even an underpaid corner at the time of those deals either. Remember that the corner market didn't explode until 2012 where Finnegan, Flowers and Carr signed their 10m/year deals, which I believe were record setters at the time.

In 2013 he signed another record setting deal, though with 0 guarantees before the market truly exploded again in 2014 and he once again signed a deal to be the highest paid CB in the league, which was subsequently broken by Shermand and others.

He held out twice for money (as a rookie and in 2010) and on a 3rd occasion forced a trade and on a 4th got himself released. Note: the latter 2 were not hold outs but disagreements about his value with the team.

The season isn't over, so it is too early to know how he'll act here, but from what I've seen his personality has changed since joining a winning culture.

He's made far more than the average NFL player and maybe more than any defensive player to date in NFL history. Hopefully he knows he's set and enjoys winning enough to want to stay. I think he stays. But to argue that he hasn't chased the money, including coming here (our deal at face value says he's being paid 16m/year, which I believe is still tops in the NFL at any non-QB position), is just wrong in my opinion.

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Wiki:

Revis missed the majority of training camp and all four of the team's preseason contests while holding out for a new contract. He was to receive approximately $1 million in the fourth year of a six-year contract.[43] On September 5, an agreement was reached on a four-year $32 million guaranteed contract, and Revis subsequently reported to camp the next day, a week before the team's season opener

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JAG Eric Smith
http://nyjetscap.com/ericsmith.html
2010 - $1,183,280

Here's the thing. Revis makes other players around him better and his presence allows our defense an exceptional level of flexibility. If he wants 15 million a year for the next 4 years, I say pay it. There are some contracts we can shave to help get there if we need to. Dude is not yet 30 and a lot of the good corners who love the game have played well into their mid 30's.
Practicing against Revis also helps the O. The guys a leader and highly respected in the clubhouse.
Letting him walk away next year over a couple mil weakens both the corner and safety positions.
Sign him long term. Period!