Lying Hypocrite Parcells Still Complaining Re: OTHERS' Betrayal

Very good coach. Incredible communicator and motivator. Not a perfect human being. Surely that much is obvious.

Real World said:

You don't become a HOF coach, and arguably one of the top 5 coaches of alltime, without having a bit of an ego, and being a little narcissist.

As for the Tuna, you get what you pay for. He's an ego maniac, who will turn your **** franchise into a contender. There is absolutely no denying that he put us on the map. Without him, this franchise might still be a laughing stock like the Browns and Raiders. I remember the Rod Rust & McPherson years, and it was the Tuna who changed all that.

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What do Pete Carroll (Pats HC 97-99), Ray Berry (85-89), Ron Meyer (82-84) and Chuck Fairbanks (73-78) have in common? They were all more successful as Pats HC's than Tuna S**t, before and after he was here.

After the crap that guy pulled with this team, the fact that any Pats fan looks at Parcells as some sort of New England Patriots savior is, well, nauseating.

1960Pats said:

What do Pete Carroll (Pats HC 97-99), Ray Berry (85-89), Ron Meyer (82-84) and Chuck Fairbanks (73-78) have in common? They were all more successful as Pats HC's than Tuna S**t, before and after he was here.

After the crap that guy pulled with this team, the fact that any Pats fan looks at Parcells as some sort of New England Patriots savior is, well, nauseating.

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Well, sorry but we'll agree to disagree. I'm guessing most Pats fans have forgotten what a laughing stock this franchise was before the Tuna got here. I haven't. To me, his being an loser A-hole on a personal level doesn't take away his accomplishments as a coach. Again though, to each their own. Some people can separate emotion from their positions, some prefer to use to build one. It is what it is.

DarrylS said:

I was working amidst some very weird Dallas Fans who thought Bill was the second coming, warned them to no avail...

Parcells is a football mercenary...

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I'll still getting up to speed on this, but here's the Cowboys side.

Big Bill once said in his autobiography he would never work for Jerry Jones. Then he needed the money and did. He enabled the NFL's worst owner to keep the Cowboys ruined - possibly for generations after Jones is dead.

Jerry has spent the last twenty years since his split with Jimmy Johnson trying to prove he can build a champion all by himself...that SB win with Barry Switzer with Jimmy's players does not count.

The Cowboys in Jan 2002 had been losing 5-6 years, last three 5-11 seasons, where the Jets are this season. Fans down there have a lot more sheep than the East Coast, but finally starting to turn on Jerry. To replace Texas Stadium, a Dallas-area suburb would have to put up $250M to help this billionaire build JerryWorld...no takers when the Cows are playing like the Jets. For once in his life, Jerry was so desperate he almost threw the keys to an HC and hired Big Bill.

Cows fans saw this as a football come to Jesus moment - Jerry finally would stop meddling with the team. Almost. He did not let Parcells fire all the assistant coaches...towards the end, Jerry signed Terrell Owens over Big Bills objections....I have no doubt TO never would have played on Parcells' previous teams or at least got kicked off. Dallas was Big Bill's least successful gig, yet he got them to the playoffs....Jerry still had enough power to mess things up...do you REALLY think Parcell's wanted to play around with Quincy Carter as Jerry's pet QB another year?

Parcells. Jones. Each tried to manipulate the other. Jones won. Parcells admitted as he left that in two years nobody would know he had ever been in Dallas.

Jones hired Parcells so his new stadium could be built and people would come regardless of how the Cowboys (America's Soap Opera) do. Don't care if the stadium is full of haters and fans from the visiting team. Jerry makes money hosting the Final Four and college games.

So Parcells unwittingly enabled Jerry Jones to continue to lose playing fantasy football for the rest of his life, then he will bequeath Cowboy's operations to a son that most likely be about as inept, if not quite as narcissistic. Jerry is a blight worse than Ebola in Dallas. Parcells screwed Dallas much worse than NE.

Real World said:

Well, sorry but we'll agree to disagree. I'm guessing most Pats fans have forgotten what a laughing stock this franchise was before the Tuna got here. I haven't. To me, his being an loser A-hole on a personal level doesn't take away his accomplishments as a coach. Again though, to each their own. Some people can separate emotion from their positions, some prefer to use to build one. It is what it is.

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LOL. Most fans have forgotten what a laughing stock this franchise was when CHUCK FAIRBANKS got here.

By the time Parcells got here, they stunk, but the Patriots had already been to playoffs many times and had been to a Super Bowl. They also had a first rate ownership in place.

It was nothing like 1973. Back then the Patriots, as an entire THOUGHT, were not major league. Eddie Andelman owned the parking and the Sullivans had zero pull in the NFL.

So permit some of us to chuckle when you claim "most Pats fans have forgotten what a laughing stock this franchise was before the Tuna got here." I can assure you, many of us had seen the movie before.

Evidently, some of the younger fans think that it happened for the first time in the 1990's.

The turnaround to respectability in the 1990's may seem to YOU like a first time thing. It wasn't.

^ No, I do not give Jones credit for Cowboys success this season. If the SB is between them and NE, I won't pull for the Cowboys.

RecoveringCowboy said:

So Parcells unwittingly enabled Jerry Jones to continue to lose playing fantasy football for the rest of his life, then he will bequeath Cowboy's operations to a son that most likely be about as inept, if not quite as narcissistic. Jerry is a blight worse than Ebola in Dallas. Parcells screwed Dallas much worse than NE.

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Good rundown. Your post makes the point that Dallas and its owner deserved the screwing more than did NE and its owner.

The proof is in the pudding. Compare what Dallas did in the first 8 years after Parcells walked to what New England did in the first 8 years aftter Parcells walked on them.

shmessy said:

LOL. Most fans have forgotten what a laughing stock this franchise was when CHUCK FAIRBANKS got here.

By the time Parcells got here, they stunk, but the Patriots had already been to playoffs many times and had been to a Super Bowl. They also had a first rate ownership in place.

It was nothing like 1973. Back then the Patriots, as an entire THOUGHT, were not major league.

So permit some of us to chuckle when you claim "most Pats fans have forgotten what a laughing stock this franchise was before the Tuna got here." I can assure you, many of us had seen the moviebefore.

Evidently, some of the younger fans think that it happened for the first time in the 1990's.

The turnaround to respectability in the 1990's may seem to YOU like a first time thing. It wasn't.

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I'm not sure what that has to do with the price of bananas. We are talking about Bill Parcells, are we not? Therefore we're talking about the shape the team was in, around the time that he got here. If we were discussing Chuck Fairbanks, your post would be relevant, but we're not. True or false, the Pats were a laughing stock when the Tuna got here? True. True or false, the Tuna turned the franchise around, and it was his time here that started the run that has the Patriots where they are today? True. How many of Tuna's players were part of the teams long term success since the 90's? How many were significant parts of the SB winners last decade? No one has to like the guy, but there is no denying what his hiring and time here, did for this franchise.

Prior to the arrival of the Tuna in 1993, the NE Patriots made the playoffs 5 times in 23 seasons.

Parcells was good here, but he gets too much credit. If he hadn't been indirectly responsible for hooking up Kraft and Belichick, he would be a good coach who couldn't deliver a title and left like a rat. He's very lucky that he had Belichick working for him for most of his career: without Belichick he would've been just another coach. He never accomplished anything noteworthy without Belichick around to do the heavy lifting.

I will always appreciate what Parcells did for the franchise. But, his contributions to the franchise's legacy will always be tainted by his abandonment of his team during the week leading up to the SB. Clearly, he spent most of that week feathering his nest with the Jest when he should have been devoting his time preparing his team for the ultimate game. After his stint here, he went to several other teams, had limited quick success and then left most of those teams in salary cap hell when he bailed out. Talented coach, motivator and great judge of talent? For sure. Ethical leader who was appreciative and loyal to those compensated him? No.

Real World said:

I'm not sure what that has to do with the price of bananas. We are talking about Bill Parcells, are we not? Therefore we're talking about the shape the team was in, around the time that he got here. If we were discussing Chuck Fairbanks, your post would be relevant, but we're not. True or false, the Pats were a laughing stock when the Tuna got here? True. True or false, the Tuna turned the franchise around, and it was his time here that started the run that has the Patriots where they are today? True. How many of Tuna's players were part of the teams long term success since the 90's? How many were significant parts of the SB winners last decade? No one has to like the guy, but there is no denying what his hiring and time here, did for this franchise.

Prior to the arrival of the Tuna in 1993, the NE Patriots made the playoffs 5 times in 23 seasons.

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It's COMPLETELY relevant because you used the "some fans forget what it was like in 1993" card.

Many of us remember and MORE.

The Parcells act was a tired and already used one.

Your last sentence gives us "Prior to the arrival of the Tuna in 1993, the NE Patriots made the playoffs 5 times in 23 seasons."

Well thanks for the history lesson, but before Fairbanks, they had never been to an NFL playoff game at all.

Parcells is a unique moment in franchise's history only to those with a 20 year view.

He was NOT a unique situation in NE.

The fact is that when one speaks of Parcells and his legacy, the events before Superbowl 31 should always be brought up and taken into account. The fact that they are only brought up by Patriots fans speaks to the power of media bias, and more specifically, New York media bias.

Parcells has never won a thing without Belichick and the only reason this is never brought up is because the media has some weird masochistic relationship with him where they love when he treats them like crap because he's "witty."

Parcells was a Great Builder and a Great Destoyer.

The only stop where he created anything of a legacy was his 8 years as HC of the Giants.

Everywhere else, he was a Chinese food lunch.

shmessy said:

It's COMPLETELY relevant because you used the "some fans forget what it was like in 1993" card.

Many of us remember and MORE.

The Parcells act was a tired and already used one.

Your last sentence gives us "Prior to the arrival of the Tuna in 1993, the NE Patriots made the playoffs 5 times in 23 seasons."

Well thanks for the history lesson, but before Fairbanks, they had never been to an NFL playoff game at all.

Parcells is a unique moment in franchise's history only to those with a 20 year view.

He was NOT a unique situation in NE.

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Yawn....

Like I said, this isn't a thread about Fairbanks. It's a thread about Parcells. How many of Fairbanks' players were a part of 3 NE Superbowl wins? Exactly. Nice talking to ya.

Tuner on Sirius NFL radio said he loved and really respected Leon Hess (Jets owner) and wait.......................Jerry Jones

Jackson 2 said:

After his stint here, he went to several other teams, had limited quick success and then left most of those teams in salary cap hell when he bailed out. Talented coach, motivator and great judge of talent? For sure. Ethical leader who was appreciative and loyal to those compensated him? No.

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Dallas sportswrites noted FoBs (Friend of Bill) often....everywhere Parcells goes, he brings assistants and players that worked with him. Some like Vinny Testeverde and Drew Bledsoe were spent....one of my big criticisms of Bill is he would rather stick with QBs near retirement than chance a young QB with potential....until they landed Romo. We heard him stress QBs should "Drive the Bus" often....so I think Joe Montana should be glad he never played for him.

In Dallas and Miami (as "Football Czar"), his FoBs got them quick but short-lived success.

I'm glad Parcells came to Dallas, but HATE that Jerry used him thus wish he never came at all. Overall I liked him and think he would eventually be HoF even without BB...think his induction was delayed by uncertainty of when he was done coaching plus lots of the media doing the voting didn't like the way Parcells treated them.

PatsWickedPissah said:

Tuner on Sirius NFL radio said he loved and really respected Leon Hess (Jets owner) and wait.......................Jerry Jones

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Call me skeptical - really skeptical.

So calling Tuner a liar, eh?

Jackson 2 said:

I will always appreciate what Parcells did for the franchise. But, his contributions to the franchise's legacy will always be tainted by his abandonment of his team during the week leading up to the SB. Clearly, he spent most of that week feathering his nest with the Jest when he should have been devoting his time preparing his team for the ultimate game. After his stint here, he went to several other teams, had limited quick success and then left most of those teams in salary cap hell when he bailed out. Talented coach, motivator and great judge of talent? For sure. Ethical leader who was appreciative and loyal to those compensated him? No.

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Agreed. I have very mixed feelings about Tuna in New England. He definitely helped turn things around here before embarking on his carpetbagging tour of New Jersey, Dallas and Miami. I don't know what he says about his Pats stint in the new book, but he has been quoted as saying he should've stayed.

True story from an inside source very close to the team: during his time in Foxboro, Parcells had weekly visits to his stadium bunker from an attractive "hairdresser" who came to "cut his hair." Happy endings were an assumed part of the service.

Real World said:

Yawn....

Like I said, this isn't a thread about Fairbanks. It's a thread about Parcells. How many of Fairbanks' players were a part of 3 NE Superbowl wins? Exactly. Nice talking to ya.

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HILARIOUS!!!!!

Evdiently YOU forgot that Parcells could not "buy the groceries"!!!!!! That's just sad.......

If ANYTHING, that reflects badly on Parcells that many of those same players could win SBs once he left.

But I'll answer that ersatz question: The very same number of NE players that had any Super Bowl wins under Parcells.

How many of Fairbanks' players had the opportunity to play for Belichick?

Always a pleasure.