Post OTAs roster projections

Brady6 said:

@KontradictioN could you outline what makes Amendola a better player?

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Deus Irae said:

And another thread has gone down the Amendola rabbit hole. Time to start being more liberal with the thread ignore, I think.

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KontradictioN said:

Edelman has also been playing with the GOAT, which means that a higher percentage of his passes have hit him between the numbers while Amendola's have mostly just been in his vicinity.

You must know this is weaksauce. To the tune of 1 more TD.

Your over-reliance on how players perform or have performed during the underwear olympics, in this case one that took place a half decade ago, is a logical flaw. From what I've picked up on, you lean on it when you appear to have trouble convincing yourself of the point you're attempting to make.

This is the gist of the issue, and why a conversation on the topic is not a productive one.

It's not that he could be a better player. It's that he is, when both are healthy. Again, this has been proven over their careers. You're tossing out the "opportunity" argument in Edelman's favor yet, if Edelman was the super star you're making him out to be, he should have had no problem getting reps even with Welker was here. It's not as if the Pats have had '07 caliber receivers every year since 2009. Further, if he was the super star you're making him out to be, why did he generate zero interest on the open market prior to 2013 and very little interest on it afterward?

And yet many have, correctly, made the argument numerous times that Edelman is not a slot receiver. So why would that be a roadblock for him?

I can accept this for 2009. Moss was not Moss in 2010 and was gone after the Dolphins game, so Edelman still had opportunity there.

Shadow of his former self and barely able to get separation after 2010. You're doing more damage to your argument than good pointing him out.

LOL.

Lloyd was a flanker. Edelman still had the opportunity to beat out Branch for reps.

Edelman doesn't play tight end.

This is almost as harmful to your argument as tossing out Chad Johnson was.

I can accept this, though Tate was nothing special.

By Belichick's own admission, that team only had Moss and Welker and Revis was shutting Moss' ass down in that game. Where else was Brady going to throw the ball to?

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Bruins29 said:

Kontra just spent all that time politely replying to your post which was somewhat nonsensical. Then you have the nerve to ask him this after all that effort he put in?

Wow

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Brady6 said:

Not one thing in his post outlined anything that made Amendola better, he was trying to discredit my statement that the lack of opportunity was the reason Edelman did not do well.

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Bruins29 said:

OK, whatever you say

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Brady6 said:

Would you really start Amendola over Edelman?

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KontradictioN said:

Edelman has also been playing with the GOAT, which means that a higher percentage of his passes have hit him between the numbers while Amendola's have mostly just been in his vicinity.



You must know this is weaksauce. To the tune of 1 more TD.



Your over-reliance on how players perform or have performed during the underwear olympics, in this case one that took place a half decade ago, is a logical flaw. From what I've picked up on, you lean on it when you appear to have trouble convincing yourself of the point you're attempting to make.



This is the gist of the issue, and why a conversation on the topic is not a productive one.



It's not that he could be a better player. It's that he is, when both are healthy. Again, this has been proven over their careers. You're tossing out the "opportunity" argument in Edelman's favor yet, if Edelman was the super star you're making him out to be, he should have had no problem getting reps even with Welker was here. It's not as if the Pats have had '07 caliber receivers every year since 2009. Further, if he was the super star you're making him out to be, why did he generate zero interest on the open market prior to 2013 and very little interest on it afterward?



And yet many have, correctly, made the argument numerous times that Edelman is not a slot receiver. So why would that be a roadblock for him?



I can accept this for 2009. Moss was not Moss in 2010 and was gone after the Dolphins game, so Edelman still had opportunity there.



Shadow of his former self and barely able to get separation after 2010. You're doing more damage to your argument than good pointing him out.



LOL.



Lloyd was a flanker. Edelman still had the opportunity to beat out Branch for reps.



Edelman doesn't play tight end.



This is almost as harmful to your argument as tossing out Chad Johnson was.



I can accept this, though Tate was nothing special.



By Belichick's own admission, that team only had Moss and Welker and Revis was shutting Moss' ass down in that game. Where else was Brady going to throw the ball to?

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mgteich said:

Our starters are Dobson, Edelman and Amendola in the slot. If Dobson cannot go, we have Thompkins, LaFell or even Boyce.

I expect Amendola and Edelman to start every game in which they are healthy.

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Brady6 said:

QB-Brady-Garopollo
RB-Ridley-Vereen (3rd)-Bolden-White
FB-Develin
X-WR-Dobson-LaFell-Thompkins-Slater (ST)
Z-WR-Edelman (PR)-Amendola-Boyce (KR)
Y-TE-Gronkowski-Hoomanawanui
LT-Solder
LG-Mankins-Kline
OC-Connolly-Stork
RG-Cannon-Halapio
RT-Vollmer-Fleming
LE-Ninkovich-Bequette
DT-Kelly-Easley-Jones
NT-Wilfork-Siliga
RE-Jones-Buchanan-Moore
SLB-Hightower
MLB-Mayo-Beauharnais
WLB-Collins-Anderson
LCB-Revis-Ryan
RCB-Browner*-Dennard-Arrington
SAF-McCourty-Thomas
SAF-Harmon-Wilson-Ebner (ST)
K-Gostkowski
P-Allen
LS-Aiken
PS-Gallon (WR)-Houston (RB)-Finch (RB)-Swanson (DB)-Gordon (LB)-Fleming (LB)-Cave (OL)-Jones (TE)
PUP-Armstead (DL)-Smith (DE)

*Suspended for weeks 1-4

I still have hope for Wilson and Bequette.

Pats picker link - http://patspicker.patsfans.com/

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Brady6 said:

I still have hope for Wilson and Bequette.

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203Pat said:

Speaking of Easley I was surprised to see him out there the other day as a full participant in minicamp. Isn't he one of like 6 (drafted) rookies in the whole league who hasn't signed yet?

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captain stone said:

This is more a prediction than a wish list:

QB - Brady, Mallett, Garoppolo
RB - Vereen, Ridley, White, Bolden, Develin (Houston, Finch to PS)
TE - Gronk, HooMan, DJ Williams (Justin Jones, Asa Watson to PS)
WR - MiniTron, ToughGlass, Boyce, Thompkins, LaFell (Dropson to PUP, Gallon to PS)
OL - Solder, Mankins, Wendy, Connolly, Vollmer, Cannon, Stork, Fleming, Halapio
(Barker, Cave, Klein to PS)
DL - Chandler J, Wilfork, Kelly, Ninko, Fresh Prince, Easley, Siliga, Buchanan, Chris J
(Zach Moore to PS; Forston, Bequette, Armstead - gone)
LB - Mayo, Collins, Hightower, Beauharnais, Anderson
(JaG Davis, Cam Gordon to PS)
CB - Revis, Ryan, Dennard, Arrington, Swanson/Browner (Butler, Hawkins to PS)
S - McCourty, Harmon, Jemea Thomas, Chung, Ebner (Kan Davis to PS)
(the era of the Error Repeater should mercifully end)
STs - Ghost, Allen, Ott, Slater

Lots of room for improvement here. Easily replaceable parts on this 53 include: Bolden, Develin, HooMan, DJ Williams, Thompkins, Wendy, Kelly, Chung, Ebner. I'm still hoping for the signings of RB/FB Brian Leonard, TE Dustin Keller & OLB Quentin Groves, and maybe WR Austin Collie, CB Terrell Thomas &
SS Reid Doughty.
I also wouldn't be surprised if one of Darius Fleming, Josh Hull or Chris White is a 6th LB.

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mgteich said:

This is the most reasonable position I've seen.

SOME COMMENTS
1) I am not sure that Kline is eligible for Practice Squad, perhaps he is.

2) If Jemea Thomas is on the 53 as of now, he is IMHO a replaceable part. You essentially have him ahead of Chung and Ebner.

3) I don't think that Hooman is in any way replaceable. He was our starter for much of the year. If all goes well, he'll be our #3. I don't think that he is on the bubble.

4) As you indicate, Swanson is looking good to be on the 53, at least for 4 weeks. It seems that Green should go to the Practice Squad if he is eligible.

5) I agree with the hope that we will find more free agents. Much of the signing of vets comes late in camp. I would note that in addition to the positions you mention, we might also pick up a defensive linemen. We have been looking for one, at least as injury insurance.

6) Sadly, Vellano, a starter for some of last year, does not even get a mention.

7) While I agree with 5 LB's at the moment, I agree that a 6 (or even 7) is more likely. LB and S are often the places for special team specialists.

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bbell31 said:

Connolly or Wendell gone. Arrington or Dennard gone. surprise cb talent will step up. Roy Finch might make team. def superbowl or bust squad on paper!!!!!!!!

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KontradictioN said:

One of those names does not belong in that post. Can you guess which one it is?

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