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I have grown increasingly intolerant of the self deluded "fans". You know the ones I mean. They sincerely belieive that they are God' gift to (unrecognized) coaching and general manager-ship.

At first I thought it was all in good and harmless fun. But as their screeching has attained greater volume, and their sef-delusion grows, it now irritates me even more.

When Belichick stated coaching in Cleveland, it took him four years to rebuild the talentless Browns. Despite a coaching staff that had half a dozen guys who became and are coaching superstars in college or the pros, it simply took that long. And his draft picks were Top Ten picks because of the poor, losing record of the Browns.

The total rebuild that Belichick had to do starting in 2009, as the old SB players all got old, were retired, and had to be replaced, has been little short of amazing. Unlike the typical rebuilding, he only had one, 1, O_N_E, top ten pick to use, (Mayo),and he did find a Superstar LB.

That is because he has never had a team that didn't win at least 11 games a year, his re-building teams turn in 11-5 records, NOT the typical 5-11 losing records that "normal" rebuilding clubs do.

He even managed to make a Superbowl appearance with a deeply flawed Defensive club, and a one dimensional Offense, overly reliant on an over-used, single smurf WR!

Why are you *****in' about that performance? Because some of his end of round picks in round 2, 3 haven't all turned into instant All Pros? Here is news for you, neither has anyone elses, either.

The mild re-building that Belichick had to perform in 2000, had many of the established young players left over from the Parcells-Belichick years, simply not enough of them. He still had young stars in Bruschi, McGinnest, Bledsoe, Law, Milloy etc. The only thing he could salvage in starting in 2009 was a NT and a recently injured QB.

With a little perspective we could look back and say that four year coaching and rebuilding, merits consideration as one of the best extended coaching and GM stretches in the history of the League.

When you ***** about the secondary, please remember that you need 10-12 good secondary players, in a heavily injured position. That is fully 1/4 of the entire team personnel. You don't rebuild that in a single of even in multiple seasons. But he is getting there. Now we ***** about fourth and fifth reserves, while the able starters are relatively ignored.

Grow up son, and... Count your blessings.
 
FTR: I stopped reading at the Mayo Superstar LB part...I don't think he's a Superstar LB and most would agree.:gossip:
 
I agree with you, but banging that drum only gets you a sore arm. Most the folks you are referring too don't see themselves in that picture. Others well see above for others.
 
I have grown increasingly intolerant of the self deluded "fans". You know the ones I mean. They sincerely belieive that they are God' gift to (unrecognized) coaching and general manager-ship.

At first I thought it was all in good and harmless fun. But as their screeching has attained greater volume, and their sef-delusion grows, it now irritates me even more.

When Belichick stated coaching in Cleveland, it took him four years to rebuild the talentless Browns. Despite a coaching staff that had half a dozen guys who became and are coaching superstars in college or the pros, it simply took that long. And his draft picks were Top Ten picks because of the poor, losing record of the Browns.

The total rebuild that Belichick had to do starting in 2009, as the old SB players all got old, were retired, and had to be replaced, has been little short of amazing. Unlike the typical rebuilding, he only had one, 1, O_N_E, top ten pick to use, (Mayo),and he did find a Superstar LB.

That is because he has never had a team that didn't win at least 11 games a year, his re-building teams turn in 11-5 records, NOT the typical 5-11 losing records that "normal" rebuilding clubs do.

He even managed to make a Superbowl appearance with a deeply flawed Defensive club, and a one dimensional Offense, overly reliant on an over-used, single smurf WR!

Why are you *****in' about that performance? Because some of his end of round picks in round 2, 3 haven't all turned into instant All Pros? Here is news for you, neither has anyone elses, either.

The mild re-building that Belichick had to perform in 2000, had many of the established young players left over from the Parcells-Belichick years, simply not enough of them. He still had young stars in Bruschi, McGinnest, Bledsoe, Law, Milloy etc. The only thing he could salvage in starting in 2009 was a NT and a recently injured QB.

With a little perspective we could look back and say that four year coaching and rebuilding, merits consideration as one of the best extended coaching and GM stretches in the history of the League.

When you ***** about the secondary, please remember that you need 10-12 good secondary players, in a heavily injured position. That is fully 1/4 of the entire team personnel. You don't rebuild that in a single of even in multiple seasons. But he is getting there. Now we ***** about fourth and fifth reserves, while the able starters are relatively ignored.

Grow up son, and... Count your blessings.

The board has been like that since day one. Where have you been?
 
Good rant but it won't resonate with the people you're talking about. Some people aren't happy unless they have something to complain about. Their loss.
 
This is the first time I grew a headache reading an OP
 
FTR: I stopped reading at the Mayo Superstar LB part...I don't think he's a Superstar LB and most would agree.:gossip:

Go on then, why don't you think Mayo is a superstar? He's top 5 in the league as an ILB and the oft considered best in the league, Patrick Willis, well let's look at the stat lines from last year for them and see:

Mayo/Willis

Tackles: 147/120
Solo: 88/88
Assist: 59/32
Sacks: 3/0.5
Forced Fumbles: 4/2
Passes defended: 3/9
Interceptions: 1/2

"winner" of the category bolded.

Before anyone brings it up, yes I know one played inside in a 3-4 and the other outside in a 4-3.

So how about a year they both played in the 3-4?

Mayo/Willis
Tackles: 175/128
Solo: 114/101
Assist: 61/27
Sacks: 2/6
Forced Fumbles: 1/2
Passes defended: 5/5
Interceptions: 0/0

So they still come out fairly even. Willis played 1 less game that year but that wouldn't make up the massive gulf in tackles but may have increased the gulf in sacks.

Although that was a waste of my time because all you do is post negative rubbish about anything Patriots related.
 
I have grown increasingly intolerant of the self deluded "fans". You know the ones I mean. They sincerely belieive that they are God' gift to (unrecognized) coaching and general manager-ship.

At first I thought it was all in good and harmless fun. But as their screeching has attained greater volume, and their sef-delusion grows, it now irritates me even more.

When Belichick stated coaching in Cleveland, it took him four years to rebuild the talentless Browns. Despite a coaching staff that had half a dozen guys who became and are coaching superstars in college or the pros, it simply took that long. And his draft picks were Top Ten picks because of the poor, losing record of the Browns.

The total rebuild that Belichick had to do starting in 2009, as the old SB players all got old, were retired, and had to be replaced, has been little short of amazing. Unlike the typical rebuilding, he only had one, 1, O_N_E, top ten pick to use, (Mayo),and he did find a Superstar LB.

That is because he has never had a team that didn't win at least 11 games a year, his re-building teams turn in 11-5 records, NOT the typical 5-11 losing records that "normal" rebuilding clubs do.

He even managed to make a Superbowl appearance with a deeply flawed Defensive club, and a one dimensional Offense, overly reliant on an over-used, single smurf WR!

Why are you *****in' about that performance? Because some of his end of round picks in round 2, 3 haven't all turned into instant All Pros? Here is news for you, neither has anyone elses, either.

The mild re-building that Belichick had to perform in 2000, had many of the established young players left over from the Parcells-Belichick years, simply not enough of them. He still had young stars in Bruschi, McGinnest, Bledsoe, Law, Milloy etc. The only thing he could salvage in starting in 2009 was a NT and a recently injured QB.

With a little perspective we could look back and say that four year coaching and rebuilding, merits consideration as one of the best extended coaching and GM stretches in the history of the League.

When you ***** about the secondary, please remember that you need 10-12 good secondary players, in a heavily injured position. That is fully 1/4 of the entire team personnel. You don't rebuild that in a single of even in multiple seasons. But he is getting there. Now we ***** about fourth and fifth reserves, while the able starters are relatively ignored.

Grow up son, and... Count your blessings.

Nice rant. Are you Lewis Black?

Lewis Black on Evolution - YouTube
 
Pitchfork and torch ready. Name names!
 
Go on then, why don't you think Mayo is a superstar? He's top 5 in the league as an ILB and the oft considered best in the league, Patrick Willis, well let's look at the stat lines from last year for them and see:

Mayo/Willis

Tackles: 147/120
Solo: 88/88
Assist: 59/32
Sacks: 3/0.5
Forced Fumbles: 4/2
Passes defended: 3/9
Interceptions: 1/2

"winner" of the category bolded.

Before anyone brings it up, yes I know one played inside in a 3-4 and the other outside in a 4-3.

So how about a year they both played in the 3-4?

Mayo/Willis
Tackles: 175/128
Solo: 114/101
Assist: 61/27
Sacks: 2/6
Forced Fumbles: 1/2
Passes defended: 5/5
Interceptions: 0/0

So they still come out fairly even. Willis played 1 less game that year but that wouldn't make up the massive gulf in tackles but may have increased the gulf in sacks.

Although that was a waste of my time because all you do is post negative rubbish about anything Patriots related.

Mayo is an elite LB. I kinda feel bad for you having to bang all that out only to have it wasted on PF2.
 
Loud noises !!!!!
 
FTR: I stopped reading at the Mayo Superstar LB part...I don't think he's a Superstar LB and most would agree.:gossip:

Yeah, last week there was a "retired numbers" thread and some guy actually suggested Mayo's as a future possibility. How delusional can you get? Jerod freaking Mayo? Retired jersey? Based on WHAT??

Yo, ain't nobodee on any opposing offense fearing the sight of Jerod freaking Mayo on the other side of the ball. Chicago has 3, count 'em, three middle linebackers who're number retiring material. Those being Butkis, Singletary, and Urlacher.
Jerod Mayo? unreal. Just unreal to see someone over here thinking along the same lines. Musta snorted a few. That'd prolly 'splain the delusions of grandeur. That's the ticket.
 
Good rant. I find such things to be an excellent catharsis.

I suspect that most of the folks you are complaining about have only been "fans" since 2001. Otherwise, they'd realize the Golden Age we are living in as Pats fans. :cool:
 
FTR: I stopped reading at the Mayo Superstar LB part...I don't think he's a Superstar LB and most would agree.:gossip:

:confused:


Will somebody hand this one his sign so he could be on his merry way?
 
You don't read much.

You're right......it usually takes less than 2 sentences to realize it is time to skip.....this one was just a pile of fuzz that had me scratching my head the entire time

I'm sure there is a point in there somewhere, but all I found was a headache
 
Go on then, why don't you think Mayo is a superstar? He's top 5 in the league as an ILB and the oft considered best in the league, Patrick Willis, well let's look at the stat lines from last year for them and see:

The sacks thing, I wish they would send him more often to go get the QB. I remember last year they sent him in the Dolphins game just flew right by untouched.

If they sent him more often like that I don't think him being a 10 sack guy would be out of the question.

Hopefully with Flecther back, Hightower getting better and Collins, Mayo is allowed to go get the QB a lot more this season.
 
The sacks thing, I wish they would send him more often to go get the QB. I remember last year they sent him in the Dolphins game just flew right by untouched.

Perfectly timed blitz, not only in terms of execution but in the context of the drive too - he waited for the DL to create the gap for him and it eased some pressure on the defense.

If they sent him more often like that I don't think him being a 10 sack guy would be out of the question.

It looks pretty clear that he's better/more comfortable going downhill than backpeddling and covering so sending him after the QB more, especially with Kelly & Wilfork in front of him, you're right 10 sacks isn't out of the question.

Hopefully with Flecther back, Hightower getting better and Collins, Mayo is allowed to go get the QB a lot more this season.
Here here!

Collins may be the key to a lot of new things the Pats defense can do, I'd like to see him line up on the same side as Jones and have some overload blitzes and zone blitzes involving them.
 


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