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An Open Letter to Pats Management Re: Wes Welker's Contract Situation


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Half the team had the flu and had to fly out to the west coast the week before, it showed up in the second half as most of them had nothing left in the tank, The offense was good enoguh to win the Super Bowl although I support signing Wes Welker 100%.

Yep. I remember three or four players showing up on the official injury report with "flu" and one of the beat reporters mentioning in a blog entry or a column that quite a few other players beyond the ones listed looked like "death warmed over".
 
Wasn't that the year that the week before we just barely squeaked by the Chargers when Troy Brown stripped someone who had intercepted Brady on another throw to Caldwell?

Yes. It was that year.
 
I don't know what Wes wants for a contract. If it's top #1 WR $, then there will be a problem. But from his comments over the past couple of years when it comes to $, I don't think he will be asking for that.

It would be reasonable for him to want Chad $, average $6 mil on a 3 year contract, with nice up front bonus.

You're right. It's very hard to try and project what the potential numbers are; however I see your 3 yr/18 million dollar guess as a lot closer to what it would have been...had they signed him early in the season.

My opinion is that the cost of retaining Welker went up at least 1.5-2 million per, over the course of his season here. It is more than obvious that he is a vital part of the offense, and I am guessing that his version of "fair" market value just went up over the course of the last 3 months.
 
Yep. I remember three or four players showing up on the official injury report with "flu" and one of the beat reporters mentioning in a blog entry or a column that quite a few other players beyond the ones listed looked like "death warmed over".

To me, that's the 2nd worse loss in team history (at least recent, I know some may say '76 playoff game) behind the SB42 loss.

It was another SB that should have been ours, and I remember being so incredibly pumped up in the first half. That game was extremely painful and maddening in many ways.

Besides the loss to the NYG, I'm not sure I'll ever get over this one either.
 
Is there any money left to offer Welker?

Because I could have sworn they just gave it all to Jerod Mayo...
 
Here is some commentary by Christopher Price from about two months ago in regards to the re re-signing of Wes Welker that may be of interest to folks here.

It Is What It Is » Santonio Holmes deal could provide framework for new Wes Welker contract


If Welker does reach the open market, Brandt believes the five-year, $45.25 million deal (with $24 million guaranteed) Santonio Holmes signed with the Jets in July is a good model.

On the surface, it might not make sense. But while Welker has had better production and doesn’t have the same sort of character issues swirling around him that Holmes has, he’s also 30 years old and is two years removed from a devastating knee injury.

“Welker has had vastly more production than Holmes and has none of the off field issues that Holmes did,” Brandt said. “However, Holmes was an unrestricted free agent, which creates enormous value.”



I think it is also worth noting that television contracts have been extended with huge increases. This means salary caps will be increasing, but more importantly there will be that much more money also be going to owners in a few years. If other expenses remain relatively stable, then teams should in theory be much more able to afford players within their budgets. Bottom line is that the Pats should be able to re-sign Welker. At the very minimum they should be able to franchise him; the franchise tag for a WR is anticipated to be about $9.4 million, which is something that the Pats would not be adverse to applying if a long-term deal cannot be reached.
 
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Here is some commentary by Christopher Price from about two months ago in regards to the re re-signing of Wes Welker that may be of interest to folks here.

It Is What It Is » Santonio Holmes deal could provide framework for new Wes Welker contract


If Welker does reach the open market, Brandt believes the five-year, $45.25 million deal (with $24 million guaranteed) Santonio Holmes signed with the Jets in July is a good model.

On the surface, it might not make sense. But while Welker has had better production and doesn’t have the same sort of character issues swirling around him that Holmes has, he’s also 30 years old and is two years removed from a devastating knee injury.

“Welker has had vastly more production than Holmes and has none of the off field issues that Holmes did,” Brandt said. “However, Holmes was an unrestricted free agent, which creates enormous value.”



I think it is also worth noting that television contracts have been extended with huge increases. This means salary caps will be increasing, but more importantly there will be that much more money also be going to owners in a few years. If other expenses remain relatively stable, then teams should in theory be much more able to afford players within their budgets. Bottom line is that the Pats should be able to re-sign Welker. At the very minimum they should be able to franchise him; the franchise tag for a WR is anticipated to be about $9.4 million, which is something that the Pats would not be adverse to applying if a long-term deal cannot be reached.

On NFL Network just a couple of days ago, it was reported that there will be little, if any increase in the Salary Cap for the coming year. THAT could make things a bit dicey for some of the teams hoping for a larger increase.

I can't remember who was reporting the story, but they seemed pretty solid with the news that the salary cap wasn't going to increase much, if any, over this year's.
 
On NFL Network just a couple of days ago, it was reported that there will be little, if any increase in the Salary Cap for the coming year. THAT could make things a bit dicey for some of the teams hoping for a larger increase.

I can't remember who was reporting the story, but they seemed pretty solid with the news that the salary cap wasn't going to increase much, if any, over this year's.
Correct the increase won't be coming until 2014, so there will be little increase in the actual cap. However in the new CBA I think they are allowing teams to roll over money they have left over this year into next year.

So if the Pats are $8MM under the cap when the season ends, they will start the season $8MM under the cap less or more whatever increases or decreases in cap costs.....or something like that.
 
Correct the increase won't be coming until 2014, so there will be little increase in the actual cap. However in the new CBA I think they are allowing teams to roll over money they have left over this year into next year.

So if the Pats are $8MM under the cap when the season ends, they will start the season $8MM under the cap less or more whatever increases or decreases in cap costs.....or something like that.

Dont forget the rookie wage scale, that should enable us to sign our picks and pay Wes with an eye towrads the cap increasing in future years.
 
On NFL Network just a couple of days ago, it was reported that there will be little, if any increase in the Salary Cap for the coming year. THAT could make things a bit dicey for some of the teams hoping for a larger increase.

I can't remember who was reporting the story, but they seemed pretty solid with the news that the salary cap wasn't going to increase much, if any, over this year's.

True, there is not expected to be much cap increase next year. I was thinking further ahead, that teams know that the cap will balloon in the near future. By comparison certain teams (like the Pats) were relatively conservative prior to the new CBA; they were not only unsure what the new cap would look like, they didn't know if there would be any football being played at all in 2011; others gambled that things would work out with little or no consequence leading up to and during an uncapped year.

Now teams have that future contract information in hand; that was not the case a year or two ago. They know future caps will grow; more importantly, they know that their own revenues will grow quite a bit in the near future. That means if they desire to structure a contract that will result in either large monetary responsibilities once those contracts kick in - or a big cap hit should things not go as expected - it is no longer as big a risk as it was previously. Plus, the cap amount currently allocated to certain other players (TBC, Ty Warren, Meriweather, Kaczur, Sanders) for the 2011 cap will be off the books; that right there is about $7 million - or the difference between what Welker is making in 2011 and what his 2012 franchise tag will be.
 
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Think about Vincent Jackson and Gronk who are bouth 6'6 catching passes from Brady.:scared: Just think about the PI calls we would get with those Two alone...food for thought.

Only people who want to run the risk of only having one 6'6 receiver talk about Jackson. I say this because the guy is 1 arrest away for LONG jail time and league suspensions. He's not someone to have on this team at all. Not to mention it's doubtful that he's intelligent enough to learn the play-book.
 
I just remember Brady being miserable that year, and that drop killed us. Wasn't that the year that the week before we just barely squeaked by the Chargers when Troy Brown stripped someone who had intercepted Brady on another throw to Caldwell? Have to admit my memory is fuzzy.

Are you saying they shouldn't make resiging Welker a priority?

Then you remember falsely because that drop did NOT kill the Pats. The drop that Caldwell had was against San Diego in the Divisional round and the Pats still won that game. In the AFCCG against the Colts, Caldwall was mauled in the endzone and a flag should have been thrown and it wasn't. Not to mention that the defense couldn't keep the Colts from scoring.

It's amazing how people try and change history ..
 
We SHOULD have resigned him at the end of last season when he said he didnt deserve a new contract, the price would have been a lot lower. Wes has a MUCH bigger impact on the team than Mayo, who we just overpaid.

Read between the lines..That is Wes basically saying that he wasn't going to negotiate at the time. And he basically said the same thing prior to the start of the season..

And, no, we didn't "over-pay" Mayo, ffs. Seriously.. His extension doesn't kick in until after next season, though he gets the $6million SB now. If you do the numbers correctly and NOT the way that tool Rappaport did, you'll see that Mayo will average just over 7M per year starting in 2012. NOT the 9.7 over 5 that Rappaport claims (since he can't do math to save his life, clearly)
 
I have no problem with using the franchise tag on Welker. It makes sure he's on the team for '12 and - though expensive - guards against injury/slowing production.

Let's sign him to continue contributing, not as a thank you for past production.

Love his effort, desire, and skill. But I can't fault NE's front office if they aren't comfortable signing Welker for 4-5 years...
 
Only people who want to run the risk of only having one 6'6 receiver talk about Jackson. I say this because the guy is 1 arrest away for LONG jail time and league suspensions. He's not someone to have on this team at all. Not to mention it's doubtful that he's intelligent enough to learn the play-book.

He's a knucklehead, but I wouldn't call him dumb. He had high GPAs in high school and college. He was even offered a scholarship to Columbia University.

... Carry on.
 
I know the Pats didn't win the SB in 2006 and Caldwell had a huge drop against the Colts in the AFCCG. We all remember that. But the Pats scored 34 points and were up 21-3 at one point in that game. The defense (ranked by profootball-reference's dSRS as the #2 Pats' defense of all time) simply could not get off the field and stop Peyton Manning in the 2nd half. I know the Caldwell drop was big, but the defense imploded in that game. Pats had the game in the bag and blew it. Hard to blame all that on Caldwell (who, if he had made the catch, would have given the Pats 4 more points...only enough to tie; and given the way Indy was scoring, I would not have been comfortable going into OT in that game). That game was primarily on the defense.

And, yes, they would have pummeled the Bears in the SB that year, even with Caldwell as their #1 receiver.

Caldwell dropped the pass but Brady hit Gaffney on that drive along the back edge of the end zone to score a touchdown. Lets not forget that. The drop didn't really lose the team any points.

I just remember Brady being miserable that year, and that drop killed us. Wasn't that the year that the week before we just barely squeaked by the Chargers when Troy Brown stripped someone who had intercepted Brady on another throw to Caldwell? Have to admit my memory is fuzzy.

Are you saying they shouldn't make resiging Welker a priority?


YOu should not be fuzzy on this. This was the biggest upset win this franchise has ever had after the Rams SB. The Chargers, albeit it a bad playoff team, had about 11 pro bowlers but Brady made it happen. Brown did strip an INT and yes, the direct snap to Kevin Faulk for the 2 pt conversion was the same play from the Panthers SB.

I was endzone corner sitting next to Chargers friend and family - namely Lorenzo Neal's sister and mother. Oh boy, I kept my mouth shut next to those two.
 
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We SHOULD have resigned him at the end of last season when he said he didnt deserve a new contract, the price would have been a lot lower. Wes has a MUCH bigger impact on the team than Mayo, who we just overpaid.

While Welker is not eloquent, he is not an idiot. The chances of him actually taking a lowball offer based on last year was basically zero.

Moreover, what should scare the Patriots FO is the fact that Welker is more concerned about being useful and winning than he is about making every possible dollar. I can't imagine him going to, say, Seattle just because they offered him an extra $1M-$2M/yr more than the Pats. OTOH, I don't think any of us want to contemplate the possibility of, say, Welker catching passes from Drew Brees next year. :scared:
 
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He's a knucklehead, but I wouldn't call him dumb. He had high GPAs in high school and college. He was even offered a scholarship to Columbia University.

... Carry on.

I know you're just repeating what has been reported, but it doesn't make any sense. The Ivys do not offer academic scholarships. He [Jackson] might have gotten accepted to Columbia, but any money he gets must be need based.
 
Most of us love Wes Welker, but very seldom do the Patriots offer long term contracts to players in their 30's, otoh he can be franchised and kept here next year...

A whole lot of hysteria in this thread, he will not "walk"...
 
Then you remember falsely because that drop did NOT kill the Pats. The drop that Caldwell had was against San Diego in the Divisional round and the Pats still won that game. In the AFCCG against the Colts, Caldwall was mauled in the endzone and a flag should have been thrown and it wasn't. Not to mention that the defense couldn't keep the Colts from scoring.

It's amazing how people try and change history ..

Hey D'Bru, what'd I ever do to you? Maybe the drop killed me, rather than the Pats, but I am not "false" nor am I trying to change history. I'm also pretty sure that it's not false that the Pats dropped Caldwell like a hot potato and went out and got Moss and Welker, so they couldn't have been too happy with the guy.

I can't tell between your lines whether you think Welker being re-signed should be a priority.
 
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