SMY/Globe: Brady approved Moss deal

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5 Rings for Brady!! said:

I think the most overlooked part of this story from Brady's POV is the fact that Brady is all about winning no matter what. After the Jets game, why would he want to throw the ball to Moss? Moss was hurting the team, maybe not intentionally throwing the game, but certainly dogging it; and Brady is all about drinking the T-E-A-M kool aid.

I think this cannot be overlooked. Remember how mad Brady was in the game that Galloway was messing up. And then Galloway was gone...

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I think you are on the money.

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KontradictioN said:

SMY posts here from time to time. I'm sure if she sees, she'll be glad to fill you in.

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What username does she use here?

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Brady giving the go-ahead

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Patjew said:

I think it's crazy to think that Brady wouldn't at least be consulted prior to the deal being finalized. Not saying he had veto power, but he had to have known.

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Agreed- by the same token, if Brady had been adamantly against it, I doubt the trade happens. From that, you can more or less assume that he was okay with it, although I'm curious how SMY learned that he had approved the deal other than that.

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BradyFTW! said:

Agreed- by the same token, if Brady had been adamantly against it, I doubt the trade happens. From that, you can more or less assume that he was okay with it, although I'm curious how SMY learned that he had approved the deal other than that.

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Along with everyone on this board, I can think of 51 other people who would be interested in knowing Tom's views on the subject. It is entirely possible that one of the other players on the team asked Tom, "You okay with Randy being traded?" "Yeah, me and coached discussed it, I told him I was cool with it" And then that player talked to SMY.

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I thought Tom was a player, he doesn't deal with personnel decisions.

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I PM'd SMYoung. Of course she couldn't reveal her source (or she already would have) but I did ask her to give us a little bit more than she said - to at least tell us if it was one or more players, members of the Patriots front office, etc. that gave her that info. I'll let you know if she responds.

SMY Gives New Perspective on M*ss Trade

I hate to start another one (and if this has already been discussed, mods please just merge it and shoot me now) but ...

Buildup to the breaking point - The Boston Globe

Shalise claims that BB told Randy at the start of the off-season that he wasn't in the team's long-term plans and that BB changed his mind in the course of training camp.

"... according to a source close to Moss, the receiver already had been told by coach Bill Belichick that he wasn’t part of their future plans.
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During camp, the source said, Belichick reversed course. As the team stretched one day, the coach approached Moss about starting talks on a new deal.

Moss, however, told Belichick it wasn’t the right time, that they could talk after the season. Around that time, the source indicates, Moss began to believe that he would be traded before the season began."


If this is true, then Randy's bizarre behaviour becomes very understandable -- he's nothing if not, insecure -- and it would show really poor personnel management by BB. But, of course, "a source close to Moss" would say that kind of thing -- and we shouldn't forget that Shalise seems to be making a living out of putting the viewpoint of disgruntled former Patriots players.

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Mike the Brit said:

I hate to start another one (and if this has already been discussed, mods please just merge it and shoot me now) but ...

Buildup to the breaking point - The Boston Globe

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We actually do have a thread on this article, http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/678742-brady-approved-moss-deal.html -- although the focus is on her assertion that Brady approved the Moss trade, I don't see why we need two threads on the same article.

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The one thing about that whole thing that sounds fishy to me is the idea that BB would tell Randy he's not part of the team's future plans. Even if the coach had already decided that, do we really believe he would tell him that? If he didn't want to negotiate a new deal at that point, wouldn't he say "let's talk after the season?" or something to that effect. Doesn't make sense to me.

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PromisedLand said:

but which stood out to me, was the Brady approved the deal ahead of time:

"Tom Brady, comfortable with Wes Welker and a young corps of receivers that includes Brandon Tate, Julian Edelman, Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski, gave the deal his thumbs-up. The deal was completed Wednesday morning."


Buildup to the breaking point - The Boston Globe

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This just seems weird. So against the Jets, Brady can't stop throwing to Moss even when he is not open and now he decides he would rather throw to a bunch of receivers who have no NFL experience other than Welker? How does than make any sense?

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PromisedLand said:

We actually do have a thread on this article, http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/678742-brady-approved-moss-deal.html -- although the focus is on her assertion that Brady approved the Moss trade, I don't see why we need two threads on the same article.

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Quite true. I searched under Shalise and got nothing and didn't think to look in that thread. And I still think that the interesting thing is that this source says that BB gave Randy the thumbs-down at the end of last season.

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Mike the Brit said:

I hate to start another one (and if this has already been discussed, mods please just merge it and shoot me now) but ...

Buildup to the breaking point - The Boston Globe

Shalise claims that BB told Randy at the start of the off-season that he wasn't in the team's long-term plans and that BB changed his mind in the course of training camp.

"... according to a source close to Moss, the receiver already had been told by coach Bill Belichick that he wasn’t part of their future plans.
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During camp, the source said, Belichick reversed course. As the team stretched one day, the coach approached Moss about starting talks on a new deal.

Moss, however, told Belichick it wasn’t the right time, that they could talk after the season. Around that time, the source indicates, Moss began to believe that he would be traded before the season began."


If this is true, then Randy's bizarre behaviour becomes very understandable -- he's nothing if not, insecure -- and it would show really poor personnel management by BB. But, of course, "a source close to Moss" would say that kind of thing -- and we shouldn't forget that Shalise seems to be making a living out of putting the viewpoint of disgruntled former Patriots players.

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But it appears that many think there was no issue, that Moss was acting 100% the professional, giving it everything he has, and BB just decided we were a worse offense with Randy Moss as one of our 6 WRs so we are better with nobody. No addition by subtraction, just that BB decided after all these years that having the best deep threat in the NFL on your team is a very bad thing.

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AndyJohnson said:

But it appears that many think there was no issue, that Moss was acting 100% the professional, giving it everything he has, and BB just decided we were a worse offense with Randy Moss as one of our 6 WRs so we are better with nobody. No addition by subtraction, just that BB decided after all these years that having the best deep threat in the NFL on your team is a very bad thing.

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Quite right. There is clearly more to this story than that fairy tale.

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AndyJohnson said:

But it appears that many think there was no issue, that Moss was acting 100% the professional, giving it everything he has, and BB just decided we were a worse offense with Randy Moss as one of our 6 WRs so we are better with nobody. No addition by subtraction, just that BB decided after all these years that having the best deep threat in the NFL on your team is a very bad thing.

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It appears when your argument is absolutely piss poor terrible that you should throw in as many strawman arguments as possible to help make your case. :bricks:

Of course there is more to the story. Moss said that Brady's hair made him look like a girl, and Brady had him traded.

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Patjew said:

I think it's crazy to think that Brady wouldn't at least be consulted prior to the deal being finalized. Not saying he had veto power, but he had to have known.

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A-HAH!!! A voice of reason. You're right PJ and I absolutely agree with your assumption. Brady is a 10 year veteran and by far THE most important player on the team and one of the most important in the league. You can't start a team with a wide receiver....unless maybe you're a tennis fan!

The last thing Kraft and BB would want is a pissed off Tom Brady. Of course it was discussed with him!

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AndyJohnson said:

But it appears that many think there was no issue, that Moss was acting 100% the professional, giving it everything he has, and BB just decided we were a worse offense with Randy Moss as one of our 6 WRs so we are better with nobody. No addition by subtraction, just that BB decided after all these years that having the best deep threat in the NFL on your team is a very bad thing.

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I repeat, if the rumour is true, then things make a certain kind of sense.

On that assumption,

(1) It's terrible man management. What you say to Randy after the end of last season is "Randy, you're one of the greatest players ever to play the game and everyone in New England loves you. Now I don't know if we're going to be able to give you a top-dollar contract at the end of next year, given all the uncertainties, but you can play here for as long as you want if you can accept those limitations. If not, play out your contract and I'll do everything I can to make sure you leave here with a ring."

How could you say anything else? This guy needs to feel that he's special -- which he is.

(2) Having done that, you don't change your mind.

(3) You shouldn't be surprised at Moss's attempts (as it seems) to draw a distinction between playing for the team and making clear to the organization that he's disaffected -- which, of course, don't work out.

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Obviously he didn't want to get traded either...

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Mike the Brit said:

I repeat, if the rumour is true, then things make a certain kind of sense.

On that assumption,

(1) It's terrible man management. What you say to Randy after the end of last season is "Randy, you're one of the greatest players ever to play the game and everyone in New England loves you. Now I don't know if we're going to be able to give you a top-dollar contract at the end of next year, given all the uncertainties, but you can play here for as long as you want if you can accept those limitations. If not, play out your contract and I'll do everything I can to make sure you leave here with a ring."

How could you say anything else? This guy needs to feel that he's special -- which he is.

(2) Having done that, you don't change your mind.

(3) You shouldn't be surprised at Moss's attempts (as it seems) to draw a distinction between playing for the team and making clear to the organization that he's disaffected -- which, of course, don't work out.

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We don't know that they didn't do that, although I doubt it and there is a reason why. Everything here is a test. How much they are willing to extend themselves for you or even want to retain you is based in part on how much you want to win here. I used to think they should polish up their people skills. They don't for a reason. If you need to be coddled to do your job here, you don't belong here. There are signs all over the building pertaining to that. They took down all the old pictures, not the adages.