The "What player will get cut and shock others" thread

[Peachhead]

Stephen Neal...after an injury settlement. I don't want it to happen, we don't have the quality depth to handle it well. But that's my guess.

 

[PATRIOT64]

I am surprised not to see more Matt Cassel answers even though I think Evans is more likely a goner in a shocker

I could certainly see NE dumping this guy and letting him go hold the clipboard elsewhere while grooming Guiterrez as the 2nd QB who I think would make a better pro QB and O'Connell as the emergency 3rd although I always loved when we had a veteran backup QB on the roster to ease my concerns over Brady's health.

 

[RayClay]

I have no problems with Evans but what gives you this idea that he is someone every team in the NFL wants. He was cast off from the dolphins and on the street when we got him (thought we got him from a PS but I was wrong). Again I am not advicating we release him just saying that Eckel may prove to be the better of the two and that this is a Camp compitition.

He's not a smashmouth fullback. He's a big, skilled player with a lot of versatility, fits some styles not others.

The thing is, Eckel isn't a smashmouth fullback, nor is he a versatile one. He's a straight ahead running back that's not fast. He just isn't a special player.

A real smashmouth FB could unseat Evans, if we wanted one, but he ain't it.

 

[mcbee]

Seymour will be cut. Or traded more likely. He just isn't that good. Yeah, "injuries", sure. Where's the pressure on the QB?

Izzo? Not surprising at all. Chad Jackson, not that surprising, would have some trade value though.

Cassell? It would be surprising if he wasn't cut.

 

[signbabybrady]

Seymour will be cut. Or traded more likely. He just isn't that good. Yeah, "injuries", sure. Where's the pressure on the QB?

Izzo? Not surprising at all. Chad Jackson, not that surprising, would have some trade value though.

Cassell? It would be surprising if he wasn't cut.

Seymour is an intreging name to put on this list.

At first glance you say what are you kidding me? but I think everyone on here hears that he is healthy again and assumes he will be back to form (and that is probably a safe assumption).

But if he does not return to form or has not returned to health than he does carry a huge dollar figure for his production the last few years.


I very highly doubt that they would be so quick to rush to judgement on Seymour so I doubt it would happen during TC but if he doesn't return to form we may be having this discussion next offseason.


Let me close this out by Saying I very highly doubt he doesn't return to form. He was to good and to young not get healthy again and back to form.

 

[mdhprime]

I do not know about being cut, but I could see a veteran (ie. Harrison) getting put on PUP for a nagging but not season ending injury. I think as time goes on, injury history becomes more of a factor and players like Harrison might not get the break due to new acquisitions like Tank Williams.

 

[dhamz]

Seymour is an intreging name to put on this list.

Only if you have no understanding of the economics of football. Cutting Seymour saves only 285k against the cap. There is no chance a player with that much talent gets cut to save 285k.

 

[signbabybrady]

Only if you have no understanding of the economics of football. Cutting Seymour saves only 285k against the cap. There is no chance a player with that much talent gets cut to save 285k.

I understand the economics of football maybe I just didn't have the cap implication memorized. Honestly I can't believe the savings is that low and had I known that I surely would not have concurred with the other guy.

 

[fgssand]

Seymour is an intreging name to put on this list.

At first glance you say what are you kidding me? but I think everyone on here hears that he is healthy again and assumes he will be back to form (and that is probably a safe assumption).

But if he does not return to form or has not returned to health than he does carry a huge dollar figure for his production the last few years.


I very highly doubt that they would be so quick to rush to judgement on Seymour so I doubt it would happen during TC but if he doesn't return to form we may be having this discussion next offseason.


Let me close this out by Saying I very highly doubt he doesn't return to form. He was to good and to young not get healthy again and back to form.

Let's not let the fact that BB came out and said Seymour had his best game as a Patriot following one of last years games when his "stat line" showed zero sacks and only 2 tackles, get in the way of your intrigue.

If BB felt he played at that level, last year when he still was not close to 100%, that is all I need to hear. I think you may take his name off the list right now, no matter what the salary implications are.

How soon they forget how dominant a player this guy actually is.

 

[RayClay]

Seymour will be cut. Or traded more likely. He just isn't that good. Yeah, "injuries", sure. Where's the pressure on the QB?

From the linebackers in a 3-4.

Somebody didn't do his homework. Go to the back of the class.

 

[fgssand]

MARONEY.....

OK I am only 1/2 right - this would be an incredible shock heard round the world, but he won;t be geting cut anytime soon. Now that I have your attention, let's really kick things around............


I actually think it could be Guttierez (practice squad) AND Cassel (released). O'connell would have to look great from the start and then they pick up a seasoned vet (like maybe Pennington, if he gets cut) or Dilfer/Hasslebeck/Rattay or someone soon to be released. Tell me Brady/Pennington (or a seasoned vet to be named later /O'connel would not look better, assuming O'connell can pcik things up from day one. Just a thought -flame away, it's really boring this week.

 

[bradmahn]

Given the cap situation, learning curve at the position, age, talent and injury history, and the fact that Bethel Johnson was given three years before being cut, I'd say Chad Jackson's release would be extremely surprising.

Seymour will not be cut.

 

[PatsFan37]

Fernando Bryant.
Do I really think he'll be cut? No. But he qualifies on the grounds of (a) it would be a shock and (b) it's remotely possible.

Assuming they keep 4 CBs and Bryant either struggles to pick up the D or has lost too much speed and gets eaten alive in the preseason games. They either pick up another vet, or start the season with Hobbs, Wheatley, Wilhite, and Richardson, with Meriweather playing nickelback.

Hey, at least it's remotely possible and it's the kind of thing that's happened before.

Edit: need to qualify this by saying that personally, I like this guy. Tremendous, tremendous character and I think he'll be a great addition. And on top of that, he's Capers' guy.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I actually think it could be Guttierez (practice squad) AND Cassel (released). O'connell would have to look great from the start and then they pick up a seasoned vet (like maybe Pennington, if he gets cut) or Dilfer/Hasslebeck/Rattay or someone soon to be released. Tell me Brady/Pennington (or a seasoned vet to be named later /O'connel would not look better, assuming O'connell can pcik things up from day one. Just a thought -flame away, it's really boring this week.

At this point, I honestly think BB believes that Brady simply doesn't need a veteran around; they've been perfectly willing the last two years to go for long stretches without one. Personally, I don't see anyone else coming in, although I do see Cassel (primarily b/c of his impending UFA status) being traded.

Moreover, it's not clear that Gutierrez is even eligible for the PS anymore (it depends on whether or not 3rd QBs are considered "active", since they do dress; AFAIK, they are, which would make MG ineligible).

 

[fgssand]

At this point, I honestly think BB believes that Brady simply doesn't need a veteran around; they've been perfectly willing the last two years to go for long stretches without one. Personally, I don't see anyone else coming in, although I do see Cassel (primarily b/c of his impending UFA status) being traded.

Moreover, it's not clear that Gutierrez is even eligible for the PS anymore (it depends on whether or not 3rd QBs are considered "active", since they do dress; AFAIK, they are, which would make MG ineligible).

He is eligible accordong to an earlier trusted poster from this very board.

Other than last year - trusted Vet has always been on hand, just in case. If TB were to be out for a game or three.....how safe woudl you feel with Cassel or Guttierez right now??

 

[ctpatsfan77]

He is eligible accordong to an earlier trusted poster from this very board.

For the moment, I'll take his word for it, though I'd still prefer "official" confirmation (Mike Reiss will do ).

Other than last year - trusted Vet has always been on hand, just in case. If TB were to be out for a game or three.....how safe woudl you feel with Cassel or Guttierez right now??

Given the Pats' schedule, I think either Gutierrez or Cassel would have a good chance of leading this team to the playoffs.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Also while we have some potential new STers I think there is plenty of experience to go around when it comes to STs. Izzo, Washington, the Starters that play STs, Paxton, Wright, and many more. And I think Eckel was an ace at STs last year and IMO is definitely the better STer of the two (though that doesn't help be the FB).

And, FWIW, remember that the Pats signed Eckel to the PS at an extra 40% above the minimum salary; you don't normally do that just for shiggles.

 

[Brady'sButtBoy]

Richard 'Don't-You-Even-Think-Of-Calling-Me-****' Seymour is not going to be cut unless it turns out BB has been locking lips with the crack genie in Fall River. Traded? That's another story, but less likely than California sliding into the sea.

Please my friends, save me, 'cause I'm gonna start eating Luna bars and sucking my thumb if i see one more overly earnest post measuring Eckel against Evans. Hey, it doesn't matter...

Onto the thread topic-

Biggest cut in camp - Chad Jackson. If he can't get his act together and show he's at minimum a number 3 WR then BB will cut him just to get the embrassing trade up to grab the invisible running 'Gator as far from Foxboro as the NFL will allow. BB will probably call every coach in the league and swear the guy's a dog, then send their wives or daughters a diamond earring set just to get them to promise to bannish CJack to the Arena league.

 

[OhExaulted1]

How about Rodney Harrison? 36 years old, last year of his contract and a big cap savings (2.5 mil), drafted his eventual replacement last year. I'd be shocked but not utterly surprised.

I hope it doesn't happen but how many steps has he lost? Where's the big hits been in the last 2 years? Only the coaching staff really knows if a guy is or isn't worth it anymore. And while I'm on the subject of Rodney I think the likelyhood increases if Junior doesn't come back (or isn't wanted.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Please my friends, save me, 'cause I'm gonna start eating Luna bars and sucking my thumb if i see one more overly earnest post measuring Eckel against Evans. Hey, it doesn't matter...

I, at least, am not arguing for Eckel over Evans. I'm arguing for Eckel and Evans.

And while I'm on the subject of Rodney I think the likelyhood increases if Junior doesn't come back (or isn't wanted.

Wouldn't it, if anything, increase the likelihood that Harrison would stay?