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Yardage does not factor into the punters average. Not sure they even count it as an attempt, but if they do, I assume 0 yards.
Into punt stats??
Yardage does not factor into the punters average. Not sure they even count it as an attempt, but if they do, I assume 0 yards.
NY Jets Punting
TOT YDS AVG TB -20 LG
B. Graham 3 127 42.3 1 1 47
Team 4 127 31.8 1 1 47
New England Punting
TOT YDS AVG TB -20 LG
C. Hanson 5 214 42.8 1 2 51
Team 6 214 35.7 1 2 51
http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=271216017
Code:NY Jets Punting TOT YDS AVG TB -20 LG B. Graham 3 127 42.3 1 1 47 Team 4 127 31.8 1 1 47 New England Punting TOT YDS AVG TB -20 LG C. Hanson 5 214 42.8 1 2 51 Team 6 214 35.7 1 2 51
214/6 = 35.7 and 127/4 = 31.8
It seems that blocked punt returns are not factored in.
Something is wrong with those stats. Hanson is the only one who punted for us, how can they credit one punt to "team"? They might not distinguish between gross and net average in these particular stats, but what I stated is correct. A blocked punt counts as one punt for zero yards (against gross average) and opponent's recovery/return counts against net average.
I think the punt only counts against the team for its final punt stats, but not the kicker. I think you'd only see five returns if you looked at the jets punt return stats, not 6. Two returns, one out of bounds, one downed, and one TB.
This still does not make sense to me, and I used to do football stats as a sportswriter. There is no such thing as a "team" punting attempt in my book. They must be putting blocked punt/blocked-punt return in a whole different category all its own, which I've never heard of before.
I just think it's a recognition that a punter's entire statistics would be completely lopsided if you nailed him for a bad block or bad snap. Two blocked punts would make the stats completely out of whack viz. the rest of the league. The team punt thing is just an artificial concept to make the total number of plays attempted with the total downs played. The funny part, though, is that a partial block that dribbles past the LOS most definitely does count against the punter as a non-team punt in his stats.
I think statistically you also have to distinguish based on what happened on the punt. If it's recovered by the kicking team but not advanced beyond the line to gain, as happened to the Jets in the game, it's just a turnover on downs via blocked punt.
Yeah, but this goes back to my point of the block hinging primarily on Hanson's bobble rather than Jets players coming in unblocked. Had he not bobbled the snap he would've gotten the kick off. Bad play or good play, it still should be applied to the punter's stats.
Yeah, but this goes back to my point of the block hinging primarily on Hanson's bobble rather than Jets players coming in unblocked. Had he not bobbled the snap he would've gotten the kick off. Bad play or good play, it still should be applied to the punter's stats.
That's what I thought at first, also. However, BB said via cell phone that a protection breakdown was the cause of the blocked punt. He said that Hanson did exactly what he should have done, and that the blocker should not have been in the backfield.
P.S. like my should out to Peter King? "BB via cell phone". It was his interview on EEI, and im pretty sure it was via cell phone. I just happened to hear it on the radio. Oh how half-truths make me seem like more of an insider than I really am.
Given your stats background, you'd know better than I, but I think football has made a pretty conscious effort to be completely neutral in scorekeeping and so there are no judgment calls in the football scoring and stat rules. So I guess the question is whether you would want all blocks to go against the punter's stats.
I think I agree that the blocked punt was possibly or even likely the punter's fault on this occasion, but I think that's actually not usually the case. A blocked punt is more often not the punter's fault -- it's usually the center's. If stats are supposed to be a means of comparing players, crediting the block to the punter would tend to give you a very distorted view of his actual ability or performance, in many cases. Two blocks a year would ruin a punter's stats. I think it's a reasonable question, though, about which reasonable minds can differ.