Where is Brandon Merriweather?

[ALP]

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Oh puhleaze. So you are telling me there is no rookie that can ever come in
and play on this defense right away? LOL! Funny, but I remember
Richard Seymour starting on this defense as a rookie.
The facts are that our last 2 drafts have been suspect at best.
Maroney and Jackson last year and Meriweather this year. Sorry,
but you don't draft 1st and 2nd rd players to play special teams.
You pick them to play. Chad Jackson, Bethel Johnson, Marquisse Hill.
Our 2nd rd draft busts are getting out of hand.

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Vince Wilfork is another guy that came in and started his rookie year.
Stop making excuses for these draft picks. It's their job to learn the friggen
schemes and get on the field. That's why we draft them #1 and pay them!!


Thank you guys. This is what I meant to say about our rookies but didn't want to bush them. I see Other rookies playing, why not for us?

why? cuz we are a better team and dont need rookies to come in and fill holes immediately, we draft him couple years ahead of time

 

[BHSL2]

Perhaps it's because we might NEED this kid sooner rather than later because of a possible injury/depth situation emerging in the secondary?

This ain't Marquise Hill (RIP) not being able to crack the best DL (and best substitute 4th DE) in the NFL. This is a secondary that is hurting right now and could use the 1st Round Draft Pick to step up.

I wouldn't be this hostile if we didn't have some people calling young players busts for stupid reasons.

Meriweather's emergence would help us, and don't get me wrong - I would love to have him up to speed - but not everything happens the way the fans want it. Players blossom at different times.

How exactly is the secondary hurting btw?

 

[shmessy]

I wouldn't be this hostile if we didn't have some people calling young players busts for stupid reasons.

Meriweather's emergence would help us, and don't get me wrong - I would love to have him up to speed - but not everything happens the way the fans want it. Players blossom at different times.

How exactly is the secondary hurting btw?

You don't seem overly hostile, you're just making your point, no prob.

When Eddie Jackson and Rashad Baker are in the Nickel D and our 1st round draft pick is sitting on the bench 11 games into the season.......then yes, I have big concerns.

Last night, both Hobbs and Gay came out injured. AJ Feeley (AJ Feeley fer cryin' out loud) dropped 300+ yards on that secondary. Eugene Wilson is out. There is reason, at this moment, to be a bit concerned. It would be nice to get some reinforcement from our 1st round draft pick more than halfway through the season.

 

[BHSL2]

Thanks fo clearing up the secondary issue. I didn't know what was wrong.

Meriweather is not on a fast learning pace, but at the same time I don't see how is shaping up to be a bust lilke the all-knowing National Sports Advisors seems to think.

 

[shmessy]

Thanks fo clearing up the secondary issue. I didn't know what was wrong.

Meriweather is not on a fast learning pace, but at the same time I don't see how is shaping up to be a bust lilke the all-knowing National Sports Advisors seems to think.

Can't declare anyone a "bust" only 11 games into a career. "Disappointing" that he can't beat out Rashad Baker or Eddie Jackson for the nickel more than halfway in? Yes. I think this secondary could use someone of his talent caliber to step up at this point.

 

[ATippett56]

Don't forget about Chad Jackson. The seats are getting occupied quickly.

Just like your seat on the short bus!

 

[ATippett56]

I think this secondary could use someone of his talent caliber to step up at this point.

It's too late now. You'll have to wait for the 2008 NFL draft.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

DaBruinz, you are so wrong it is laughable. Do you have to make an excuse for everything? I mean, honestly, it's embarassing. On one hand you say the defense is too "complicated" to learn for a rookie to come in and play and then when I mention Seymour you say we lacked "depth". Guess what? Do you call Eddie "I can't cover a grill" Jackson depth? You don't think Brandon "1st rd Pick" Meriweather should at least be able to beat out Eddie "I can't cover a grill" Jackson on the depth chart????????? Wow. How about Eugene Wilson? The guy started his rookie season. How come the defense wasn't too "complicated" for him? How about Randall Gay? Vince Wilfork? How come those guys started games in their rookie seasons? Facts are facts. If you show the coaches you are GOOD ENOUGH, than you can get on the field. The defense is not too complicated for players that are GOOD ENOUGH to handle it. Maybe Meriweather is a slow learner(Let's hope so!), but why can you not admit that it is DISSAPOINTING(to say the least!) that this guy cannot even beat out Eddie "I can't cover a grill" Jackson?

 

[notex]

this argument can honestly be summed up with three names...

Rodney Harrison
Eugene Wilson
James Sanders


we can then put BM name below them, as it appears on the depth chart....nuff said??? Its really no mystery to me...the simple fact that he was drafted 1st round means nothign to BB or the pats...Werent sanders and wilson 2nd/3rd rounders?? plus they have a few years experience and sanders has been playing great...

 

[National Sports Advisors]

this argument can honestly be summed up with three names...

Rodney Harrison
Eugene Wilson
James Sanders


we can then put BM name below them, as it appears on the depth chart....nuff said??? Its really no mystery to me...the simple fact that he was drafted 1st round means nothign to BB or the pats...Werent sanders and wilson 2nd/3rd rounders?? plus they have a few years experience and sanders has been playing great...

Who is saying he should be playing in front of Sanders or Harrison? The guy was getting a lot of reps as a CB in preseason. BB loves versatile players and that is why we drafted Meriweather, because he has the skills and talent to play corner and safety. Just like Wilson. When Eddie "I can't cover a grill" Jackson is getting lit up by Kevin Curtis on sunday night, than it is fair to say that Brandon Meriweather's development(or lack thereof) has been dissapointing. We were in game #11 of the season. I expect to see Meriweather and his speed filling in for injured players before I expect to see Eddie "I can't cover a grill" Jackson.

 

[ClevTrev]

Yeah, why can't we draft a rookie who is an EINSTEIN and can handle the full pressure of learning one of the most complicated defenses in the league in a few short months..

How long did it take Bruschi to become the ILB that he did?

How about McGinest?

BB clearly prefers to NOT put major pressure on rookies, regardless of where they were drafted.

OH, BTW, Meriweather is playing and learning every week. He's on special teams, both in kick coverage and punt coverage.

Exactly. Why can't we assume that depending on the team's depth at certain positions, a player's development depends on the team's needs. The team has the luxury of bringing along a player slowly if his position is one of depth AND the player needs the development. Each situation is unique, and what the team did with player X a few seasons ago has NOTHING to do with player Z this season. It's premature to determine whether a player's NFL career is a bust during his first or second season. This is NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!

 

[cstjohn17]

this argument can honestly be summed up with three names...

Rodney Harrison
Eugene Wilson
James Sanders


we can then put BM name below them, as it appears on the depth chart....nuff said??? Its really no mystery to me...the simple fact that he was drafted 1st round means nothign to BB or the pats...Werent sanders and wilson 2nd/3rd rounders?? plus they have a few years experience and sanders has been playing great...

Well I may not be as fired up as NSA but these are not the names I worry about, it is Baker and Jackson that concern me. But this is a veteran heavy team, BB prefers veterans whenever possible. He is here for five years and should be a starter or the primary backup at Safety next year. If not then he has really under-performed. I think we also under-estimate the impact of being young and having to move far away from home, Foxboro is much different than south FLA.

Based on what I saw in pre-season his more natural role is Safety, he doesn't appear to be fluid enough to play CB, maybe nickel CB but not on the outside. He was the 4th Safety taken in round 1, this alone makes the pick questionable (Landry, Nelson, Griffin).

Q: Where is Brandon Merriweather?
A: Hopefully at remedial English class, I saw his interview on Patriots all access and couldn't understand a word he said.

 

[Deus Irae]

DaBruinz, you are so wrong it is laughable. Do you have to make an excuse for everything? I mean, honestly, it's embarassing. On one hand you say the defense is too "complicated" to learn for a rookie to come in and play and then when I mention Seymour you say we lacked "depth". Guess what? Do you call Eddie "I can't cover a grill" Jackson depth? You don't think Brandon "1st rd Pick" Meriweather should at least be able to beat out Eddie "I can't cover a grill" Jackson on the depth chart????????? Wow. How about Eugene Wilson? The guy started his rookie season. How come the defense wasn't too "complicated" for him? How about Randall Gay? Vince Wilfork? How come those guys started games in their rookie seasons? Facts are facts. If you show the coaches you are GOOD ENOUGH, than you can get on the field. The defense is not too complicated for players that are GOOD ENOUGH to handle it. Maybe Meriweather is a slow learner(Let's hope so!), but why can you not admit that it is DISSAPOINTING(to say the least!) that this guy cannot even beat out Eddie "I can't cover a grill" Jackson?

Vince Wilfork was not the starter in his first season, Traylor was. Ty Warren only started 4 games as a rookie. Ben Watson got hurt as a rookie and only played 1 game. In his second season, he only started 9 games. Graham only played in 11 games his rookie season, and only caught 15 passes. So, out of all the first round picks under Belichick, only Mankins and Seymour have been main cogs in year 1, and the only other first rounder close to earning that status is your favorite whipping boy, Maroney, who had 175 carries compared to Dillon's 199.

 

[ClevTrev]

Q: Where is Brandon Merriweather?
A: Hopefully at remedial English class, I saw his interview on Patriots all access and couldn't understand a word he said.

Guess you haven't heard, BB cut out his tongue for violating the "No rookie speaks to media policy."

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Vince Wilfork was not the starter in his first season, Traylor was. Ty Warren only started 4 games as a rookie. Ben Watson got hurt as a rookie and only played 1 game. In his second season, he only started 9 games. Graham only played in 11 games his rookie season, and only caught 15 passes. So, out of all the first round picks under Belichick, only Mankins and Seymour have been main cogs in year 1, and the only other first rounder close to earning that status is your favorite whipping boy, Maroney, who had 175 carries compared to Dillon's 199.

What are you talking about? Forget what friggen rounds these guys were drafted in. That is meaningless. We are talking about ROOKIES that played in year 1. Do you think Eugen Wilson played in year #1 because he was a 2nd rd pick and not a 1st rd pick? BB doesn't give a crap about what round these guys were drafted. He only cares about if they can do the job or not. Eugene Wilson started a slew of games his rookie season. Randall Gay played significant time. Asante Samuel played significant time. Vince Wilfork, even if he didn't start, still played lots of downs each game. Matt Light started as a rookie. Mankins started as a rookie. We have a had a lot of rookies contribute. Man oh man. Why do you people continue to look for excuse after excuse? It's unreal.

 

[A.C Vegas]

NSA I am really tired of your draft pick bashing it seems to me that you really don't understand how the NFL works I don't have the list in front of me right now I'll get it later but i am almost willing to bet that more then half the first round picks form the last draft are NOT starting for the team they drafted rookies can almost never adjust to the speed of the game at the NFL right away. If you think you would be so much better at picking the players for them then here is a challenge. Who would you have drafted instead of Maroney, Jackson and Meriweather?

 

[Deus Irae]

What are you talking about? Forget what friggen rounds these guys were drafted in. That is meaningless. We are talking about ROOKIES that played in year 1. Do you think Eugen Wilson played in year #1 because he was a 2nd rd pick and not a 1st rd pick? BB doesn't give a crap about what round these guys were drafted. He only cares about if they can do the job or not. Eugene Wilson started a slew of games his rookie season. Randall Gay played significant time. Asante Samuel played significant time. Vince Wilfork, even if he didn't start, still played lots of downs each game. Matt Light started as a rookie. Mankins started as a rookie. We have a had a lot of rookies contribute. Man oh man. Why do you people continue to look for excuse after excuse? It's unreal.

Hmmm...... from an earlier quote of yours:

You don't think Brandon "1st rd Pick" Meriweather should at least be able to beat out Eddie "I can't cover a grill" Jackson on the depth chart

So, it's alright to point out the 1st round issue when you want to spout your typical garbage, but others can't point out that issue when they are refuting your nonsense. How convenient for you. The reality is that if Meriweather were a 7th round pick, nobody would be saying anything. It's only because of his status as a top pick that this is being discussed. So for you to try pulling that "forget the round" crap out of your ass is disingenuous, to put it kindly.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Hmmm...... from an earlier quote of yours:



So, it's alright to point out the 1st round issue when you want to spout your typical garbage, but others can't point out that issue when they are refuting your nonsense. How convenient for you.

What are you talking about? Last time I checked, 1st rd picks are suppossed to be more talented than the Eddie "I can't cover a grill" Jackson's of the world. Your point was that 1st rd picks don't play in New England, while you conveniently ignored the FACT that 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and UFA ROOKIES have played signficant time in their rookie season. That, my friend, was MY POINT about the fact that BB does play ROOKIES and doesn't sit 1st Rd picks just because they are ROOKIES. Case closed.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

NSA I am really tired of your draft pick bashing it seems to me that you really don't understand how the NFL works I don't have the list in front of me right now I'll get it later but i am almost willing to bet that more then half the first round picks form the last draft are NOT starting for the team they drafted rookies can almost never adjust to the speed of the game at the NFL right away. If you think you would be so much better at picking the players for them then here is a challenge. Who would you have drafted instead of Maroney, Jackson and Meriweather?

Ummm, last time I checked we've had 3rd, 4th, 5th, and UFA ROOKIES come into this team and play significant time. If you think Chad Jackson was worth a #2 pick when he still can't get on the field in game #11 of YEAR 2 of his contract, than you need to lay off the kool-aid. I guess the 2006 draft was the WORST DRAFT in the HISTORY OF SPORTS if there was no player after the #36 player drafted that could be on this team making a significant contribution.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Another thing. The same people waiting for the Chad Jackson era to arrive are the same people that made excuse after excuse for Bethel Johnson' sorry arse use of #2 selection. BJ was a BUST and Chad Jackson is too. Sorry, I calls em likes I see em. Again, Chad Jackson, Marquisse, Hill, Bethel Johnson, Laurence Maroney, and Daniel Graham were all players we have picked in the 1st and 2nd rds that have been nothing more than JAGS. Our front office is great as a whole, but they have swung and missed on quite a few top draft picks. Our front office's true expertise is in finding free agents, bringing in players with checkered pasts(Dillon and Moss), and in not overapying for players that aren't worth the money(Damien Woody, Deion Branch, David Givens, Ty Law, etc...). As far as the drafts go, they swing and miss far too much in the 1st and 2nd rds. I calls em likes I see em.