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After watching the Colts over the past few years, and sometimes struggling to understand how their defense can be physically overmatched, yet still seem to perform decently, I think Ive figured out the connundrum.

This is my opinion. The Colts live by overcommitting. There run D issues are well-documented, and clearly understandable because they are undersized, and their DL is asked to rush the QB, and find the ball carrier on the way if it happens to be a run. They twist, stunt, spin, and often take themesleves out of postion on running plays. HOWEVER, at the same time, those pass rush moves create negative plays. It is VERY OFTEN that you see a minus run against the Colt D, when if that defender who got in the backfield didnt make the tackle, there was loads of running room. In other words you cannot expect to run against this defense as you would traditionally against a typical D. You risk more bad plays, for the result of more big plays. (Contrary to typical running game strategy).
More importantly Ive seen the 'weak Colt run D' stop a ton of 3rd and shorts. Essentially everyone shoots a gap, and they are banking on one of them making a tackle for loss. If you block it, there is a big gain for you.

Additionally, if the Colts focus on stopping the run, their cover2 allows the corners and safety to get into the play.
In pass D, the coverage is not great, but they try to keep everything in front of them, and hope to execute a pass rush.

My conclusion is that the Colt defense is GOOD if you are playing on their terms, and awful, if you have them playing on yours.
In obvious run or pass situations, their scheme puts players in position to make the play. In not obvious run or pass situaiton, their scheme allows you to attack weaknesses. Those weaknesses are created by BOTH their overcommitting, AND the fact that to play this style you put players on the field who have weaknesses (i.e very small DL and LBs, corners who play cover2 well play good run support, but struggle to cover if the pass rush isn't helping them).

I think in last years playoffs, the Ravens and Chiefs played into the Colts hands. They came out to run the ball, and allowed the Colts to overcommit to one thing. Doing that they ended up in long 3rd downs that could be overcommitted to the pass rush.
Many fans questioned us not running the ball more agaisnt the Colts in the 2nd half last year, but I saw this happenning then. They were overcommitted to the run, and would have stopped our running game. We would have been gambling on breaking a big run, like Dillon did early in the game. Throwing, and throwing short, would have been the best way to stay on the field.

I am finally convinced that our WRs played a big part in that loss. Not because the D shouldn't have played better, but because with good WRs (I'd call what we had last year in the playoffs 'capable' not good) the Colts would not have been able to do that, or if they did, we would have torched them with the passing game, eliminating at least one or 2 times their offense got on the field.

If you stay in nuetral run/pass down and distances, and break trends to run whne they overcommit to the pass, and pass when they overcommit to the run, the Colts D will have a hard time stopping anyone. The problem is most teams look at:
1) an undersized front 7 that cannot stop the run toe to toe
2) an all out pass rush that you want to avoid (especially since they are very good at the strip sack)
and decide to try to run it down their throats. You will gain some yardage, but you are playing right into their hands.


I completely agree, but I also think your behind the curve on this one. To me, it's been apparent for years that this is what the Colt's defense is about. It's about gambling on situational tendencies.

Last year in the playoffs, KC gave a perfect example of how NOT to attack the Colt's defense. Herm was unmercifully exposed by his buddy Dungy in the coaching department. I watched several teams do exactly what KC did against them. They tried to run the ball from the outset with absolutely no offensive balance. "These guys let up a ton of rushing yards, so let's just run it on them." It makes me wonder if these coaches were even watching game tape. The teams that gashed the Colts in the running game were the teams that came out in balanced looks. If you don't show them what they are expecting then they'll have to play it neutral and they'll get gashed. It's pretty simple really.

Fortunately for them though, the defense only has to guess right a few times a game and the offense will get a lead and force teams into more one dinensional looks. If the Colts offense was even above average rather than exceptional, they would be a terrible team because the defense would get demolished.
 
Sanders is a FS not SS so he and Moss will be on different sides of the field. Unless Moss wants to end his career and run a crossing route.

Moss isn't Harrison and as such, he lines up at both the X and Z spots. Also, Moss runs great crossing routes and the potential for Sanders ending Moss' career is slim considering how difficult it is to match his speed and get into position for a career ending hit. Even Rodney Harrison found this out the hard way. The point being that though Sanders is a sollid little player, Moss is a great player for reasons that go far beyond his speed and hands.
 
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After watching the Colts over the past few years, and sometimes struggling to understand how their defense can be physically overmatched, yet still seem to perform decently, I think Ive figured out the connundrum.

This is my opinion. The Colts live by overcommitting. There run D issues are well-documented, and clearly understandable because they are undersized, and their DL is asked to rush the QB, and find the ball carrier on the way if it happens to be a run. They twist, stunt, spin, and often take themesleves out of postion on running plays. HOWEVER, at the same time, those pass rush moves create negative plays. It is VERY OFTEN that you see a minus run against the Colt D, when if that defender who got in the backfield didnt make the tackle, there was loads of running room. In other words you cannot expect to run against this defense as you would traditionally against a typical D. You risk more bad plays, for the result of more big plays. (Contrary to typical running game strategy).
More importantly Ive seen the 'weak Colt run D' stop a ton of 3rd and shorts. Essentially everyone shoots a gap, and they are banking on one of them making a tackle for loss. If you block it, there is a big gain for you.

Additionally, if the Colts focus on stopping the run, their cover2 allows the corners and safety to get into the play.
In pass D, the coverage is not great, but they try to keep everything in front of them, and hope to execute a pass rush.

My conclusion is that the Colt defense is GOOD if you are playing on their terms, and awful, if you have them playing on yours.
In obvious run or pass situations, their scheme puts players in position to make the play. In not obvious run or pass situaiton, their scheme allows you to attack weaknesses. Those weaknesses are created by BOTH their overcommitting, AND the fact that to play this style you put players on the field who have weaknesses (i.e very small DL and LBs, corners who play cover2 well play good run support, but struggle to cover if the pass rush isn't helping them).

I think in last years playoffs, the Ravens and Chiefs played into the Colts hands. They came out to run the ball, and allowed the Colts to overcommit to one thing. Doing that they ended up in long 3rd downs that could be overcommitted to the pass rush.
Many fans questioned us not running the ball more agaisnt the Colts in the 2nd half last year, but I saw this happenning then. They were overcommitted to the run, and would have stopped our running game. We would have been gambling on breaking a big run, like Dillon did early in the game. Throwing, and throwing short, would have been the best way to stay on the field.

I am finally convinced that our WRs played a big part in that loss. Not because the D shouldn't have played better, but because with good WRs (I'd call what we had last year in the playoffs 'capable' not good) the Colts would not have been able to do that, or if they did, we would have torched them with the passing game, eliminating at least one or 2 times their offense got on the field.

If you stay in nuetral run/pass down and distances, and break trends to run whne they overcommit to the pass, and pass when they overcommit to the run, the Colts D will have a hard time stopping anyone. The problem is most teams look at:
1) an undersized front 7 that cannot stop the run toe to toe
2) an all out pass rush that you want to avoid (especially since they are very good at the strip sack)
and decide to try to run it down their throats. You will gain some yardage, but you are playing right into their hands.


Outstanding post. As for our little 18 < 12 fan, this is the kind of comprehensive analysis that MANY people on this site do, AJ especially. If you weren't some lame-ass newbie troller, you would know that.

It's an insightful discussion of one of the best teams in the league and how they go about winning a lot of games. How anyone can take exception to that kind of discussion on a message board is beyond me. Why would you DISCOURAGE that kind of discourse, no matter WHICH team you root for?
 
Our defense is better this year, i knew people were going to make a big deal out of the Broncos game.

Your defense is better this year (WITH BOB SANDERS) than it was during the part of last year WITHOUT BOB SANDERS. I think you've lost quite a lot of decent-ish players on the D during the off-season, though, right?
 
"Polian is a genius i bet he'll sign both or franchise one and sign him to a big deal the year after".

...no doubt he will be able to persuade the Competition Committee to allow him to franchise both :D

Seriously though the Colts are strong and well positioned against all but balanced and effective teams (not many of those 2 at most?)

However I dont think the defense is better than last year, just running on post superbowl adrenalin...... (remembering 2002).
 
It's just funny that you guys think we're some kind of threat to the Pats. :rolleyes:


*By the way Mr. Mod didn't the Pats have us right where they wanted us last year. I mean we were on your terms and somehow won. What you got to say about that? Not trying to start an argument I'm just curious to see your answer.

Let me say THIS...about THAT

Imagine if the Colts had lost AGAIN! I mean c'mon man, how many times have we knocked the Colts outta the playoffs? And I just know you were all swearing and getting sick after the first half...I FIND THAT VERY COMFORTING!:D

Every time the Pats knocked the Colts out of the playoffs, the game has never been in doubt. We kicked your dumbasses from start to finish and there's no denying it.

Yes, the Colts beat the Patriots in a playoff game last year...BARELY. I ask you to consider the team we had last year as you gloat. Rodney harrison & Seau were out & we didn't have Adalius Thomas on D. I know we had Ben Watson...but I can't even name who the other receivers were...can you?

I suggest you watch last year's video as much as possible ad celebrate like a man on death row. The only difference is you have no choice on your last meal for you'll surely and absolutely be eating crow!

P.S. Tell your mods Patriots Reign says hello and ask them what happened to the smack shack thread called "Tom Brady is a pillow biting ***got"!!:D

And finally, tell your mods although I was banned for "attempting to damage ColtFreaks.com"...I'm still posting there under a different name ;)
 
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The Colts play a "downhill" Defense made possible by their awesome Offense. When the Rams were winning their Defense was the same as the Colts Defense of today. Undersized, Fast, and gambling. Great to play from ahead, with a lot of undersized pass rushers.

When you own Offense has created a lead, the opponents shed there balanced Running and Passing game to play pass and catchup. It never works.

With a very good offense you can afford to give up the occasional long run and/or big play pass. Because your Offense can make it up. So gamble and gamble, all the time. It's the exact opposite of a bend-but-don't break defense. Hoping for a stop. It's a roll the dice and know that you'll lose some, and the opponents will score. But relying on your great Offense, you can expect to outscore them and makeup for the mistakes.

Or so you hope.

In the AFCCG the Colts came back from a big deficit. More power to them. Even if the Pats were exhausted and sick; they had played gamely for a half, but there was nothing left. It's no excuse. The Colts WON and deserved to do so. Hail the World Champs. It is what it is.

But that was also LAST YEAR

Manning used to be as stupid as Warner and Martz; they win now because Manning has learned, but he is skating on very thin ice. Dungy and he, both know it. They can't take any injuries or even dings to Manning, Harrison, Clark or Wayne or even poor play from the four. All depends on the scoring machine functioning.
 
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All I'm going to say is, this thread was a tremendous bit of analysis (and a reason I've come over here from KFFL and other fansites), and 18>12 totally came in here and went poo all over this thread.

Seriously, if we're not going to get rid of him, can people just choose not to take the bait, and instead ignore him and focus on the more interesting discussion? My eyes are bleeding here.
 
All I'm going to say is, this thread was a tremendous bit of analysis (and a reason I've come over here from KFFL and other fansites), and 18>12 totally came in here and went poo all over this thread.

Seriously, if we're not going to get rid of him, can people just choose not to take the bait, and instead ignore him and focus on the more interesting discussion? My eyes are bleeding here.

sorry Denzera, but I welcome opposing trolls. If not for anything else but to get me pumped up to play there team. This is a FOOTBALL fan site and a bit 'o smack is enjoyable.

After all, I don't think any of us are here for lively banter over Tea & Crumpets! :D Football is a "punch him in the mouth & get muddy" sport. this aint fox hunting & volleyball!:eek:
 
Interesting analysis,AJ.I had some questions re the Colts D,you make some good points.I say we beat them by at least 10 points when we play them this year.
 
What I have read that our biggest two games this year will be Cowboys and Colts. Yeah, we think the Pats will win. WHy are you surprised? You're on a Pats board. You want to hear about the Colts will win, go to the Indy Star.

There they think the COlts are the best team in football, here we think the Patriots are the best team in football. What is it that you don't understand about fan forums?

And don't talk about disrespect when you come to a Pats board with the screen name of 18>12. That is disrespect, and makes you look like you are a pre-teen. You want to pump up Manning or Addai or Harrison in your screen name, you can do it without disrespecting the folks who are allowing you to be a guest.

18 will be > 12 when 18's SB's are > 3...until then, 18 will ALWAYS BE < 12!....ALWAYS:D :D
 
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Thank you, moderators.

This is much to good a thread to be allowed to be hijacked.

Thank you, Andy, for your usual insight, thank you posters who continued the discussion, and thank you moderators for providing an environment where the discussion can take place.
 
the whole colts defense is built around one man - peyton manning...he has to score and put pressure on the opposing teams to play from behind or try something out of their elements match the colts offense and thats where they stumble most of the time.His experience with the system and the offense is the big reason the D is designed that way. Go all out and expect peyton to put pressure on their offense indirectly - as cryptic as it sounds.
 
sorry Denzera, but I welcome opposing trolls. If not for anything else but to get me pumped up to play there team. This is a FOOTBALL fan site and a bit 'o smack is enjoyable.

After all, I don't think any of us are here for lively banter over Tea & Crumpets! :D Football is a "punch him in the mouth & get muddy" sport. this aint fox hunting & volleyball!:eek:
I thought the Patsfans Forum was a place for Patriot fans to talk about football, and the Visitors Forum was a place to talk smack?

Regardless, this is a fascinating topic, and an excellent analysis by Andy. His thoughts, and those of many other Pats Fans, floor me sometimes. I can see the obvious, but would not have seen how different parts of the game are so interelated as ANdy shows so well.
 
18 will be > 12 when 18's SB's are > 3...until then, 18 will ALWAYS BE < 12!....ALWAYS:D :D

Why do my post get deleted whenever i ask a legitimate question?

Any who, do you admit Terry Bradshaw is better than Brady?
 
Colts took a lot of hits yesterday.
Addai,Morris,Harrison maybe Sanders...
Personally this year I love having the trolls visit and getting totally embarassed come time to play the game.
It is the funniest thing.:D :D :D
 
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As a Colts fan, I have to agree with a lot of what Andy has to say about the Colts defense. They are what they are. The defense is better than last year but they are still small by design. If a team goes one dimensional on them by exploiting their size with the run they have to overcommit, but given the opportunity by the opposition to overcommit, what else should they do?

Every team has it's flaws. The Colt's D is small but fast, the Patriot's D is a bit old in the middle but big and very disciplined. That being said, I personally don't see a defensive battle when the Colts and Patriots meet this year, both teams should move the ball pretty much at will. It will be the defense that ends up creating the turnovers that wins the game, IMHO. Will the youthful D pull the most turnovers, or will the wiley veterans?
 
Part of what allows the Colts defense to play the style of football that they do is knowing that if they don't get the job done, thier offense can pick them up...as they often do.

I also think they are very well coached on knowing tendencies. They guess right more often than not.

But somehow, I still can't explain the fundamental truth of this: If you are quick but undersized in the NFL....By the end of the season you are physically beat up from having to constantly take on bigger players. Its definately takes it toll after a while. Somehow, the Colts defy this logic.

But last nights game against the Bronco's may have been a victory for them but I know BB will see that game film and attack them where they are exposed.
 
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