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This was in Carolina vs a team that made the SB last year. JG can run the offense and make the throws when given time. Like most inexperienced QB's and alot of veteran QB's, he struggles when he is pressured.
Brady can recognize when a blitz is coming, seems to know who is going to blitz, can adjust the protection and call an audible to change the play. JG has a long way to go but I am encouraged with what I see. He just needs the game reps.

OL looked good. With the OL improvement, the running game has improved. Going to be interesting to see if they keep Gaffney and Foster. From what little I have seen so far, I am liking what I have seen from Foster. Cannon can play RT, just please don't switch him to another position.

With the addition of Hogan, Mitchell and Bennett, it will be hard for other teams to double Edelman and Gronk. When you think about it, what role will Amendola have on this team if Jones takes over PR.

Defense looks good. We were only rushing 4 and Cam still had a hard time finding an open target and when he did the receiver dropped the ball.

Barring injury this looks like a deeper and more talented team then last year.

I would hate to lose to both Bill and Dolphins in the first 4 games.

I can't help it, I feel nervous about the first 4 games.

We already have key players injured, hope they get back. Getting out of Carolina with no major injuries was a plus.
 
Disclaimer - I'm going to start off this edition with a rant so beware.

1. This night started like so many of them leading up to this "game", with our intrepid media once again hyping the QB controversy to an obnoxious end. Remember this all started with a very nice outing by JG. So immediately any thoughts of Brady wanting to play tonight would be depicted as Brady being paranoid about his position, and those lost snaps would be detrimental to JG's development. Or Brady is demanding those snaps and since we all know that BB has no control of the team, Brady's going to get what he wants. So at any rate the lead story here was "the QB questions".

Of course this isn't going to change now that JG had a rougher outing against a very good Panther D. But now our intrepid media will just change the focus a bit. Without missing a beat the same hypocritical media that a few days ago was speculating on the changing of the guard, will be pulling their hair out wondering what the Pats are going to do in 2 weeks without a QB. :rolleyes:

They really have no shame. For the most part real reporting and analysis (Matt Chatham and Mike Reiss excluded) has been replaced with nothing more than wall to wall click baiting.

2. I have said for a couple of weeks that anyone who thinks that JG isn't going to go through a series of serious ups and downs has lost touch with reality. They have also conveniently forgotten that Tom Brady's first few years were full of them. They have forgotten that the Team was 5-5 after the first 10 games of the 2001 season. They have forgotten the 9-7 2002 season that included an improbably win to end the season against the Dolphins. And these are ups and down endured by the GOAT, what can we expect from a mere mortal like JG.

3. As to the QB's actual performance let me say this. Tom Brady pretty much sucked except for that gem he threw to Hogan for the TD. His overall lack of sharpness DID prove how much he really did needed those snaps. He wasn't off by much, but he was off, and I'd rather see that crap now than in Oct. I wouldn't mind him getting a few snaps next week either.. And even if his production was subpar, he did show the drastic difference between him (the GOAT) and JG. His presence on the LOS was palpable. He decision making was markedly faster. And his ability to see and react to what's coming infinitely more accurate. JUST AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

4. Nothing is going to make JG any better except more snaps. Plus he did a number of very good things tonight. It was clear he was making a conscious effort to stay in the pocket and move within it. When he got into a rhythm he looked very smooth and decisive. When things didn't play out as he expected, not so much. He missed a couple of blitzes and those that he spotted he didn't get to his 2nd hot read fast enough (good D's will usually cover the first hot read)

The media will make a big deal of Jimmie's step back tonight, (as well as some nervous nellie fans here ), but I just see it as another set of experiences that he desperately needs to go through in order to get to be the guy who can help us win some games the first quarter of the season. Jimmy at his worse this preseason is infinitely better than Matt Cassell was in that 2008 preseason.

5. I do hope tonight will end forever those fans who last week were trying to figure out how much cap space the Pats would save and the draft picks they could get by trading Tom Brady after this season. :rolleyes: Of course that being said I can hardly wait to see the swag we will pick up for JG.

6. Thankfully there are 21 other positions out there to watch besides the QB's so at this point the rant is over.

7. Over all I though the OL took another step forward tonight, at least that is my impression. I thought, against a tough blitzing D, they gave JG enough time to throw, for the most part. I also thought they blocked for the run much better tonight.....and that was with Karras and Barker getting most of the important RG snaps. It's not where we'd like it to be, but I think we'll be OK as the season goes on.

8. I hope tonight will end the nervous nellies' cries for more RB's this season. Gaffney ran well and Blount looked good....again. Plus he caught the ball well. We had heard about him working on his pass catching this off season. It will definitely help JG and the offense if the defense see him as a passing threat. However the guy I'm most excited about was DJ Foster. I really liked what he did. I liked that he showed that rare burst of speed. Then he stole my heart with his 2 runs that actually made yardage. (Unlike some 3rd down backs I know).

I know issues still remain about his ability to pass block and his mastery of the offense, and we still don't know if he can stay on the field for any consistent length of time. So I think we are stuck with White for at least part of the season. But there is no question in my mind that if he can stay healthy, and find a role other than just a 3rd down back, DJ Foster will eventually take that job away from White.

9. Chris Hogan is another keeper.

10. The defense looked great despite the fact that there were a lot of surprising combinations out there with the ones, especially at DT and LB. Our starting DB's showed some VERY close coverage even when Carolina threw a rare completion. Our second string guys were almost as good, though the drop off was noticeable. I think that #35 will be gone before the end of the week, despite his great pick in the first game. My first five CB's at this point are Butler, Ryan, Jones, Coleman, and Roberts. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they keep 6 for the first four games.

11. Based on the stats, both #3 QBs should have been the starters. It only shows how really little these games mean when JG sucked and he STILL outplayed the league's MVP.

12. BTW- just to point out how good our D is, the Panther offense is all based off a read option look and the large number of plays that are run off that basic play. If you don't see that series often, or at least have a week to work on it intensely, it can be very effective. I doubt the Pats spent more than 2 days on it, and even then I doubt it was like it would have been for a regular season game, yet they still played both the pass very well and the run fairly well.

13. Well I'm sure there are some people here, plus the entire click baiting media that will be on fire with JG's performance. I guess we are going to have to just weather the storm.

14 When are they going to take Matt Chatham off the sideline and get him IN the booth. I love Furia's personality and enthusiasm, but he's just trying too hard and ends up talking too much and saying too little. Chatham consistently leaves you a wiser and more informed fan, WITHOUT resorting to any of the usual fluff. He gets in and gets out and the viewers are usually better off for the experience. It sickens me that guys like Volin and Tomasi get more air time than he does.

15. I was disappoint that Anthony Johnson didn't follow up in this game. I have visions of him becoming the player I was hoping Dominick Easley should have become if he had better health and his head on straight. Maybe he did better than I thought with the few snaps he got.

16. I'm not sure who the other LB's were early in the game (another Johnson IIRC), but he was better than Freeney in the run game, whoever he was. Freeney blew one run play with poor technique off the read option, and might have had another duck the head and miss the tackle play later, though I have to admit I didn't see the number of the LB who missed that play.

17. This defense will do some more blitzing this year I predict. We have the people who can do it well.

18. Not to make excuses, but early in the game penalties killed was a key reason why the offense was so erratic

19. Next week I'd like JG to take 3 series, and Brady get 2 series before they turn it over to Jacoby.

20. BTW- Brissett was VERY impressive, albeit against the dregs, but still it was a lot better than what we usually get from first year QB's in this system.


I think the coaches wanted to work on the run game, and JG followed orders. Brady didn't give a damn about the run game. He wanted to throw and throw some more and did. Went 3 for 9, but two were long completions and one should have been picked. Not winning football and atypical.
 
@DaBruinz. I did not watch Coleman or Rufus Johnson so can't comment there. But the rest of what you said, I agree. I also think AJ Derby took a step back this time, not just the drop, but particularly in missing a block on a run play. It was the fourth and one play, Derby got swung completely around by the tackler who took down Blount.
no, it was thuney who couldn't hold the block on kuechly, who ended up tackling blount.

derby didn't block thompson (#54) particularly well, but coleman (#20) was also there, completely unblocked. i wouldn't lay the blame too much on derby.


and he did have a 20-yard reception on a 2nd and 19:

 
As for Johnson, I have a question. Who was the LB who made the tackle on the Panther's first play from scrimmage. I know it wasn't Hightower, Collins or Freeney. Of course the announcers were too busy talking about crap to inform the audience who made the hit. BTW- it was a very nice fill and tackle.

Pretty sure it was Elandon Roberts--has shown a strong nose for the ball and is a good tackler.

yup, it was roberts, #52:

 
First play was an incomplete pass, then Elandon Roberts (#52) stuffed Stewart on the second play.

Trey Flowers sack was because of Anthony Johnson. I thought Johnson played very well.

not sure what johnson did on that play. long and hightower kept newton in the pocket. newton had a running lane for a second as hightower kept going upfield, so flowers did a good job shedding his blocker and getting to newton:

 
They really have no shame. For the most part real reporting and analysis (Matt Chatham and Mike Reiss excluded) has been replaced with nothing more than wall to wall click baiting.

14 When are they going to take Matt Chatham off the sideline and get him IN the booth. I love Furia's personality and enthusiasm, but he's just trying too hard and ends up talking too much and saying too little. Chatham consistently leaves you a wiser and more informed fan, WITHOUT resorting to any of the usual fluff. He gets in and gets out and the viewers are usually better off for the experience. It sickens me that guys like Volin and Tomasi get more air time than he does.

IMO those that make these decisions get confused with radio "star power" and assume because he is on the radio yakking daily, he can transform into a reliable force in the broadcast booth... stupid assumption.

An issue for Chatham is he last played for this team in 2005.. and maybe he is just a memory.
 
So I think we are stuck with White for at least part of the season.

Genetics were a cruelty to good ole Mr White. Three more inches in height and he'd been a superior slot receiver (where he didn't have to navigate those pesky running lanes).
 
It was very conservative.

I would get pretty used to this unless the team is up 20 or down more than 14. Nature of the beast in breaking in a new QB with a strict timeline for the incumbent's return.
 
not sure what johnson did on that play. long and hightower kept newton in the pocket. newton had a running lane for a second as hightower kept going upfield, so flowers did a good job shedding his blocker and getting to newton:


He turned in and took FLowers' guy off-balance - that's why the guy was complaining at the end of the play.
 
Great post, Ken!

Couldn't agree more on your rant. With SO many interesting story lines at this time of year, and so many jobs at stake, you'd think second guessing BB and TB would get a rest.

The local announcers are tough to take and it's clear they are rookies at it. Would be great if they would actually name names, discuss blocks, and otherwise call the game. And who are these clowns on the split screen with all these "great points"?

For me, the big stories were the excellent defensive performance and the improvement in the OL.
At this early point in the season, I think that this Patriots edition is really deep and has a legitimate chance to go deep in the playoffs. Can't wait!
 
no, it was thuney who couldn't hold the block on kuechly, who ended up tackling blount.

derby didn't block thompson (#54) particularly well, but coleman (#20) was also there, completely unblocked. i wouldn't lay the blame too much on derby.
You're right and thanks for capturing that and all the other terrific videos you've put on this and other threads. It clearly was #20 Coleman who stopped the play, not Thompson.

OTOH, Thompson completely turnstiled Derby and he's only listed at 230 lbs while Derby is listed at 6'4" 255, so it wasn't the best play for him. Obviously it's only one preseason play and IMO Derby is absolutely a keeper anyway. He can run and catch and he has the size to block, he just doesn't have the technique. As NFL Draft said:
Run blocking very much a work in progress. Uses poor hand placement and fails to sustain blocks when in-line. Balance at contact needs to improve when blocking in spaces.​
He'll learn, which he'll have time to do, because he's going to make the team. He's hurt by his inexperience at TE. And they're probably not going to put him out there in the regular season on 4th and 1. ;)
 
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In the old, old days, you got insightful and objective coverage and analysis locally at least, of all the pro teams. That started to sink in the 80's. That risk you refer to is everywhere now. PFW is helpful, and so is Quick Slants. All Access can be fun...but that's about it...viewers are treated like utter, mindless morons.

In the 80's, Inside the NFL with Len Dawson and Nick Buoniconti was still doing it like the good old days. An hour consisted of 40 minutes of highlights and 20 minutes of actual football talk.

It wasn't until the 90's when they added a 3rd co host (Collingsworth) that things started heading downhill. Then Dawson and Buoniconti retired in the early 00's and the parade began. Marino, Cris Carter, Simms, Costas, Irvin, Boomer. And incredibly, Warren Sapp for 3 or 4 years.

Now we get a 5 man committee of loudmouths for an hour who give us 15 minutes of game action (maybe) and 45 minutes of blah blah blah (for sure).
 
And who are these clowns on the split screen with all these "great points"?

Andy Hart and Paul Perillo from Patriots Football Weekly, the team newspaper. They have an internet radio show called "PFW in Progress" so that's how some fans know them. They are both dunces IMO. The idiom of "can't see the forest for the trees" applies to them.
 
And who are these clowns on the split screen with all these "great points"?

Every sports "reporter" left on TV apparently. Others here have captured it well - today's NFL "audience" (same disdainful quotation marks as surrounding reporters) wants the same thing as the political junkies - put downs, made up non-stories based on definitively declaring the meaning of a generic word to generate clicks, and hyperbole masked as "news".

And with bundling of cable - we can't even vote with our clicker because they still get subsidized regardless even when no one watches them!!!!
 
not sure what johnson did on that play. long and hightower kept newton in the pocket. newton had a running lane for a second as hightower kept going upfield, so flowers did a good job shedding his blocker and getting to newton:

Umm.. You see that guy driving #70 of the Panthers back into the #67 of the Panthers? That was Johnson. Because of that, it knocked #67 off balance enough to help Flowers shed his block so he could get to Newton. Your video shows that..
 
Andy Hart and Paul Perillo from Patriots Football Weekly, the team newspaper. They have an internet radio show called "PFW in Progress" so that's how some fans know them. They are both dunces IMO. The idiom of "can't see the forest for the trees" applies to them.

Hart and Perillo wearing identical outfits, the Bob's Furniture cartoons on the wall in somebody's Mom's basement, and the faux leather barcaloungers remind me of Mystery Science Theater 3000. Only difference is the MST 3000 robots make more sense.

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Umm.. You see that guy driving #70 of the Panthers back into the #67 of the Panthers? That was Johnson. Because of that, it knocked #67 off balance enough to help Flowers shed his block so he could get to Newton. Your video shows that..

Yup, very heady play by Johnson that allowed his teammate to make the play. I'm sure BB didn't miss that.
 
Umm.. You see that guy driving #70 of the Panthers back into the #67 of the Panthers? That was Johnson. Because of that, it knocked #67 off balance enough to help Flowers shed his block so he could get to Newton. Your video shows that..
And there you outline the ultimate problem with "sacks". One guy gets the credit, when often times, others are key in getting to the QB. THAT is the problem with stats so often. Football is the ultimate team game. A game where so much of an individual's success is dependant on his teammate's efforts.

Historically all this goes back to TV and the 80's. It was the time when the media started marketing team games by highlighting INDIVIDUALS. So it was no longer the Celtics vs the Lakers, but rather Magic vs Bird. It worked so well it carried over into football. So it was no longer the Colts vs Pats, but Brady vs Manning. Now PFF individualize every play when it is really impossible to do so because so much of a player's responsibilities are interdependent on others.

This could be just ANOTHER reason BB has built such a dynasty of relative success here, because they work so hard on TEAM BUILDING, starting from #53, and physical talent isn't the only quality they are looking for. BB pays a lot more than lip service to the concept of team building, because he understands how important "the team" is to winning.

.....and it seems I am ranting again.
 
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