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Do you think that Brady was entitled to destroy his phone?

Was the phone required to be turned over per the CBA?
Did they offer to give the emails and texts?
Is he a famous person with a famous wife?
Did his private emails (answer number 2 first) get leaked?

Answer those and then get back to me.
 
The ruling is very relevant when they make a statement such as when a defendant destroys evidence, that its well established that the trier can assume he's concealing damaging evidence. They've all but ensured that unless Brady can establish that he was somehow allowed to not provide his phone then he's screwed.

Are you an alcoholic also, because you seem to be capable of pro-bowl level denial?
 
Question: Why do you think it will take the Patriots a decade to get over losing a first round pick?

If we use Easley as an example, it took the Patriots two years to get over HAVING a first round pick.
 
Was the phone required to be turned over per the CBA?
Did they offer to give the emails and texts?
Is he a famous person with a famous wife?
Did his private emails (answer number 2 first) get leaked?

Answer those and then get back to me.

Sure. I'll answer them:

1. "Was the phone required to be turned over per the CBA?"

To answer your question - it doesn't matter if the CBA states that they are allowed to. What matters is whether the CBA explicitly does not permit the league to request this info.

This matter will be determined on the balance of probabilities (not the criminal threshhold of "beyond a reasonable doubt".) What that means is that the trier simply needs to listen to the arguments and determine which story is most likely to be true.

As soon as the equipment staff phone text messages implicated Brady was part of the discussions, along with the logic that they will not alter balls without his permission along with all the other evidence, then the most reasonable, logical story is that Brady likely altered the balls and was party to these text conversations plus likely had other ones. They had cause to request the phone and in all likelihood Brady's only way to escape punishment was that examination of his phone actually exhonerates him somehow. Of all the stories argued, and the evidence provided, this was the story that was most true on the balance of probabilities - and when Brady refused to turn over the phone then its all a moot point because he's now guilty of not cooperating.

2. "Did they offer to give the emails and texts?"

Who? Brady and his team? Don't know and don't care. All we know is that he didn't provide them the phone so they could search it.

3. "Is he a famous person with a famous wife?"

Yep. He gets paid well for his fame too. Don't care about his wife.

4. "Did his private emails (answer number 2 first) get leaked?"

Don't know and don't care. It's immaterial. Wells only wanted the phone so that they could do a search by key words - not read through the entire phone. They didn't need to look at private emails/texts.
 
After they said they didn't want it, and the numbers of air pressure show no deflating existed?

And BS leaks coming out of the NFL.

You bet your ass, YES.

If this is the case this would be quite easy to prove on appeal, wouldn't it?
 
I wonder when the troll will catch on to the fact that Brady's phone, or any of the court ruling crap, had nothing to do with the loss of draft picks.

No, I'm pretty sure that the phone is the main reason that the league concluded Brady's guilt. And then because Brady and the equipment managers are part of the Patriots organization the league determined that the organization had to be punished as well (probably because of previous history as well)
 
No need to worry about this since NE is winning SB51.
 
How could it be? The bar is set higher for them than any other team playing. So while every other team plays with an advantage, the patriots play with a disadvantage. It's not a level playing field, and the reason it isn't , is the frustration of other teams.

They're the only team capable of winning a legitimate super bowl this year (and the next few) in my opinion. I'm not sure how to even make the case for something different.

Another team can win, hold a parade, make rings, hang a banner, go to disneyland. It won't matter, it's illegitimate and tainted.

Same if the Prime Minister of PGA Golf penalized Tiger Woods 4 strokes out of the gate at the masters.

Sorry, I'm not buying it. The Patriots have had 11 months to prepare for this with the best coach in NFL history and one of the better front offices in the game today. They have the rest of the draft and had FA to bolster themselves. If they fall short of Super Bowl 51, outside of the game being openly fixed, they'd have nobody to blame but themselves. This post basically reads like sour apples for something that hasn't even happened and may not ever happen.
 
The rest of this thread... yikes.

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No, I'm pretty sure that the phone is the main reason that the league concluded Brady's guilt. And then because Brady and the equipment managers are part of the Patriots organization the league determined that the organization had to be punished as well (probably because of previous history as well)
:rolleyes:

Right. They went back in time and changed the punishment after they found out Brady destroyed his phone months after the punishments were announced.
 
No, I'm pretty sure that the phone is the main reason that the league concluded Brady's guilt. And then because Brady and the equipment managers are part of the Patriots organization the league determined that the organization had to be punished as well (probably because of previous history as well)

Hahaha, enjoy your bullsh1t sundays ;)

They're handicapped for you and everything.
 
Sorry, I'm not buying it. The Patriots have had 11 months to prepare for this with the best coach in NFL history and one of the better front offices in the game today. They have the rest of the draft and had FA to bolster themselves. If they fall short of Super Bowl 51, outside of the game being openly fixed, they'd have nobody to blame but themselves. This post basically reads like sour apples for something that hasn't even happened and may not ever happen.

What? The draft pick was taken. That happened. No amount of preparation can possibly make up for it. The league is forever tainted over this. It can never be made right again.
 
What? The draft pick was taken. That happened. No amount of preparation can possibly make up for it. The league is forever tainted over this. It can never be made right again.

That's how I feel too. I'm not following any of his logic to the contrary - but we can agree to wholeheartedly disagree.
 
What? The draft pick was taken. That happened. No amount of preparation can possibly make up for it. The league is forever tainted over this. It can never be made right again.

That's nonsense and I'm assuming you haven't read the rest of my posts in this thread.
 
:rolleyes:

Right. They went back in time and changed the punishment after they found out Brady destroyed his phone months after the punishments were announced.

What are you talking about? Are you going by semantics?

Brady didn't provide the required evidence. I couldn't tell you when the phone was destroyed or not but Brady never provided the phone and now states it is destroyed. Whatever.
 
What are you talking about? Are you going by semantics?

Brady didn't provide the required evidence. I couldn't tell you when the phone was destroyed or not but Brady never provided the phone and now states it is destroyed. Whatever.
If you're too stupid to understand that events that happened before other events can't have been influenced by those future events, I can't help you.

Now **** off.
 
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