Pacman Jones voices anger in Video:

[QuantumMechanic]

1. It's not legal I believe. Only medical staffs and head coaches can be on the field

That's can't be correct. We see, among other things, the gatorade squirters and cleat-scrapers on the field during team and official timeouts all the time.

 

[Rob0729]

1. It's not legal I believe. Only medical staffs and head coaches can be on the field

2. It is obvious to determine his intent. Watch the sequence again. He's not out there near brown checking on him. He's going up to a group of bengals defenders and talking sh*t to them, trying to provoke them into retaliation, and it worked

I have never heard of such a rule and if there is, teams violate it and get away with it every game. I mean water boys go on the field during time outs. If water boys can go on the field, why can't coaches. They just typically stay by the sidelines.

And if the rule says they can go on the field during an injury time out, there is no intent determination for the rule.

 

[Patsrock]

I have never heard of such a rule and if there is, teams violate it and get away with it every game. I mean water boys go on the field during time outs. If water boys can go on the field, why can't coaches. They just typically stay by the sidelines.

And if the rule says they can go on the field during an injury time out, there is no intent determination for the rule.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/16_2013_Non-Player_Conduct.pdf

Rule 13
Article 2

 

[Rob0729]

FWIW, they just said on Sportscenter that it is legal for Porter to be on the field during an injury time out, but the intent is to allow him to check on an injured player. They didn't make it clear on whether or not if he is on the field and saying anything to players on the other team is a penalty unless he steps over the line which is unclear if he did.

 

[Rob0729]

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/16_2013_Non-Player_Conduct.pdf

Rule 13
Article 2

It is a rule that is never enforced. Or the definition of someone attending to the injured player is loosely defined.

 

[Rob0729]

Jim Daopolus, former head of officials, just said on ESPN that Porter going on the field was legal. He originally went on the field to see about Porter which is legal. He said that Porter didn't deserve a penalty.

 

[Patsrock]

It is a rule that is never enforced.

But it is in there an Porter was well beyond the bench area and refs who had no control should have flagged him for unsportsmanlike conduct. The refs screwed up in that situation.

 

[Foxyboro]

FWIW, they just said on Sportscenter that it is legal for Porter to be on the field during an injury time out, but the intent is to allow him to check on an injured player. They didn't make it clear on whether or not if he is on the field and saying anything to players on the other team is a penalty unless he steps over the line which is unclear if he did.

I agree. I wouldn't have a problem with porter being on the field if he was checking on a concussed antonio brown. My problem is that it was obvious what he was trying to do. Trying to entice the bengals into doing something stupid, and it worked

Not letting cinci off the hook, but porter should also catch heat for it

 

[Koma]

It is a rule that is never enforced.

Like checking the PSI at halftime

 

[Rob0729]

But it is in there an Porter was well beyond the bench area and refs who had no control should have flagged him for unsportsmanlike conduct. The refs screwed up in that situation.

According to Jim Daopolus, Porter checking on Brown made his going on the field leagal.

 

[Koma]

What a moron. Hope he gets fined and suspended. That ******* shouldn't even be in the league. What an idiot.

Maybe if the NFL did something more back in September when Jones smacked Amari Cooper's head against his (Cooper's) helmet, Jones would have been on better behavior for the rest of the year.

 

[Rob0729]

I agree. I wouldn't have a problem with porter being on the field if he was checking on a concussed antonio brown. My problem is that it was obvious what he was trying to do. Trying to entice the bengals into doing something stupid, and it worked

Not letting cinci off the hook, but porter should also catch heat for it

First, how do you know he didn't go on the field to check on Brown? Just because he ended up getting caught up in the scrum doesn't mean he didn't originally go on the field to check on Brown.

Second, we don't know if he went on the field to instigate anything. Hell, we don't even know if he was the instigator of the trash talking or just got caught up in it all. All we have is Pacman Jones' story and he isn't exactly a credible source.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/16_2013_Non-Player_Conduct.pdf

Rule 13
Article 2

That rule only talks about team timeouts. It was an official's timeout when that all happened as PIT was out of team timeouts.

 

[memento]

At least that one Steelers coach got a flag for pulling hair and doing a dos-e-do with the Bengals player. Nothing will happen from the league though, still waiting for Goodell or Vincent to reprimand Rex Ryan for jumping in front of the ref during a play against us.

 

[Rob0729]

That rule only talks about team timeouts. It was an official's timeout when that all happened as PIT was out of team timeouts.

It also says that "without the referee's permission". For all we know, Porter could have asked the sideline official if he could go onto the field.

 

[shmessy]

Ted Wells will be investigating #Portergate and will have his report done by training camp

No he won't.

Joey Porter standing amidst opposing players in the middle of the field in front of the Bengals logo during a timeout doesn't affect the "integrity of the game" as much as the Ideal Gas Law theory.

 

[pheenix11]

Porter baited them and the dumb ass Bengals fell for it. Good they deserve it, bunch of undisciplined thugs.

 

[shmessy]

I am still trying to understand how Joey Porter on the field excuses Pacman from hitting a ref while he was trying to hit Porter.

And it was an injury time out. I don't think it is a penalty for a coach to be on the field in that situation. You see head coaches go on the field all the time when one of their players are down on the field.

Joey Porter is listed as the Steelers Outside Linebackers Coach.

The Steelers OFFENSE was on the field at the time.

Can you explain why he needed to be out there?

 

[Gumby]

According to Jim Daopolus, Porter checking on Brown made his going on the field leagal.

Yeah right, and the guy with the restraining order against his ex can hang out by the front door and just tell the patrolman and judge he was headed to the supermarket a mile away.

He is a D coach who went nowhere near the injured O player and was clearly talking **** to 4 bungles players who had just finished a push-shove match with Pitt players ( and refs had just finished separating) . And all this occurring in the final minutes of a game the refs are supposedly trying to keep FIRM CONTROL over?
-smells to high heaven to me.

PS in the earlier game announcers said Blandino gave refs instructions to try to flag ONLY the instigators and not give offsetting penalties to stop things spiraling up because there is no repercussion when offsets given.

 

[shmessy]

Is there a rule that says that? I don't think there is. We see assistants on the field all the time during called time outs. I have seen McDaniels on the field talking with Brady almost every game. Maybe it is close to the sidelines, but it is clearly on the field.

I have never heard of such a rule.

McDaniels is Brady's coach, but even he NEVER coaches him in the middle of the field.

Porter was CLEARLY in the MIDDLE of the field right in front of the Bengals 50 yard line logo..

At a time when the Steelers OFFENSE was on the field.

Porter is the Steelers Outside Linebackers Coach.

Porter's Linebacker squad was on the bench at the time.

Porter was nowhere near his men for whom he is a coach.


Do we need to draw a diagram?

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