JOSH MCDONALD- WHERE IS THE RESPECT?

[dikembe]

DIKEMBE FURIOUS
PATRIOT SMASHING BILLS ALL GAME
THEN JOSH MCDONALD DECIDE TO NOT RESPECT THE CLOCK!
WHY THROW DEEP BALL TO THE EDELMAN? HE IS NOT GOOD AT THE DEEP BALL. WE HAVE NO RANDALL MOSS ANYMORE! THROW NORMAL THROWS TO THE EDELMAN
STOP DISRESPECTING THE CLOCK JOSH!

 

[manxman2601]

This is one of the best and most creative offenses in the NFL and people still disrespect Josh McDaniels. Oh dear.

 

[Joey007]

THIS.

 

[Joey007]

This is one of the best and most creative offenses in the NFL and people still disrespect Josh McDaniels. Oh dear.

Can you defend chucking it deep twice on 4th and one?

 

[manxman2601]

Can you defend chucking it deep twice on 4th and one?

i'll take the forty points and not whine about it personally.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

He definitely did not respect THE CLOCK!

 

[Joey007]

i'll take the forty points and not whine about it personally.

You have to remember that TFB is out there though.

 

[reflexblue]

Can you defend chucking it deep twice on 4th and one?

If it had worked it would have been called brilliant. And ive seen it work in the past.

 

[manxman2601]

You have to remember that TFB is out there though.

Yes, he was the person missing the throws. and BB was the person making the decision to go for it. So I'm still not clear why it's on McDaniels.

 

[BradyFTW!]

If it had worked it would have been called brilliant. And ive seen it work in the past.

I've generally thought it was pretty stupid even when it worked. But there's definitely a situational element. if the clock isn't your friend and you're throwing to someone like, say, Gronk down the seam, that's at least defensible. Trying to lob a deep ball to Edelman when the clock is your ally is just dumb.

 

[Fencer]

When your team scores 40 points, on the road, against what is supposed to be one of the best defenses in the league, it may not be the perfect time to call out your offensive coordinator.



Truth be told, the Pats' offense wasn't quite 40 points good, in that it was handed some great field position, and also gave some good field position to the Bills. But even so it had a strong performance on the day.

 

[reflexblue]

I've generally thought it was pretty stupid even when it worked. But there's definitely a situational element. if the clock isn't your friend and you're throwing to someone like, say, Gronk down the seam, that's at least defensible. Trying to lob a deep ball to Edelman when the clock is your ally is just dumb.

Well the first time they tried it no way should have just lobd it up. it was a good idea, but the excecution wasn't there. Better yet, i understand why they tried it, trying to catch buffalos defense napping.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Well the first time they tried it no way should have just lobd it up. it was a good idea, but the excecution wasn't there.

The first time they shouldn't have gone for it in the first place. That jumpstarted a Buffalo offense that hadn't had a first down in over a quarter.

The second time I supported going for it, but they should've run a jet sweep or something like that.

 

[Shockt327]

McDaniels isn't inherently bad or anything so extreme...

I've just always hated how he so often calls for Shotgun-Empty formations against Rex Ryan's Defenses. He did it way, way, way too often today. Even before the fumble. You've got two Tight ends that you can use to chip before their routes. Why spread them out and take away their blocking potential? The empty sets were why Brady had so much trouble getting the play off before the clock. It why there were so many ugly passes under duress. The sack-fumble was just waiting to happen.

Really, McD got away with it in the 1st half because Rex was hesitant to overload and blitz.

 

[DaBronxPats14]

It was like ho hum no urgency for 4th down conversions. I thought as least once we would see a Brady QB sneak especially second one. Bill's D looked like that were standing around, Brady could have quick snapped and lunged for like 3 yards. Mac was lookin for HR Ball or big plays. I think him and TB weere on same page.

 

[kudzif]

I've generally thought it was pretty stupid even when it worked. But there's definitely a situational element. if the clock isn't your friend and you're throwing to someone like, say, Gronk down the seam, that's at least defensible. Trying to lob a deep ball to Edelman when the clock is your ally is just dumb.

He was wide open and Brady missed him.What you are criticizing is the result ,and not whether the play call was good, and that is wrong thinking.

 

[manxman2601]

McDaniels isn't inherently bad or anything so extreme...

I've just always hated how he so often calls for Shotgun-Empty formations against Rex Ryan's Defenses. He did it way, way, way too often today. Even before the fumble. You've got two Tight ends that you can use to chip before their routes. Why spread them out and take away their blocking potential? The empty sets were why Brady had so much trouble getting the play off before the clock. It why there were so many ugly passes under duress. The sack-fumble was just waiting to happen.

Really, McD got away with it in the 1st half because Rex was hesitant to overload and blitz.

Rex was hesitant to blitz because McDaniels spread it out and he does that because Brady is smart enough to reposition players to pick up additional rushers ( like he did with Edelman). Today's was an almost perfect game plan and would have been a blowout if it wasn't for the drops.

McDaniels has been an unappreciated beast in terms of play calling. They scored 3 passing TDs off 4 TE formations last week! Defenses are always on the back foot defending our offense.

 

[BradyFTW!]

He was wide open and Brady missed him.What you are criticizing is the result ,and not whether the play call was good, and that is wrong thinking.

Again, no, that's not what I'm criticizing. I'm criticizing the play call, precisely because it has a high chance of not working even if they get exactly what they want, which is exactly what happened. That's a throw that Brady historically misses a lot, and that Edelman isn't great at bringing in. The fact that they didn't hit it despite Edelman being wide open further proves my point.

If they want to throw the same ball to Gronk, then fine, fire away. But the play as drawn up was a needless, pointless misuse of the talents of the players involved.

 

[kudzif]

No, that's not what I'm criticizing. I'm criticizing the play call. Yes, Edelman was pretty open. But that's a throw that Brady historically misses a lot, and that Edelman isn't great at bringing in. The fact that they didn't hit it despite Edelman being wide open further proves my point.

So what give up on wide open throws to Edelman plus Gronk was also open on the 4th down play.

 

[BradyFTW!]

So what give up on wide open throws to Edelman plus Gronk was also open on the 4th down play.

On fourth down you worry about getting the first down. Worry about taking the top off the defense with low-percentage throws some other time, when an incomplete doesn't turn the ball over at midfield.