The "Brady did a little bit wrong" crowd

[Fencer]

Moron?


Not sure how you would gauge my level of excitement. Perhaps you see as much evidence about that as Brady being a liar.


Post #63.
You quoted my words, which were:

So you believe tom Brady had consistently lied.

And answered yes.

So it would appear that it is you who owes me an apology.
This is, by definition calling Brady a liar, and since he was under oath, it is calling him a perjurer, and since the only reason to lie was due to cheating it is also calling him a cheater.

So which is it, are you apologizing to me for your ridiculous response to me stating exactly what you said, or are you changing your answer?

I might work that through for you if I thought you were approaching this thread with the slightest modicum of brains or integrity, for example if you'd shown the slightest interest in correcting the aggressively repeated error I called you out on above.

Under the circumstances, however, I "respectfully" decline to do so.

 

[Fencer]

Not sure how you would gauge my level of excitement.

Just a guess.

Your posts aren't ALWAYS as brainlessly obnoxious as they've been in this thread.

 

[Ring 6]

Just a guess.

Your posts aren't ALWAYS as brainlessly obnoxious as they've been in this thread.

So, let me see. I ask a question and you answer YES. That means that me concluding you agree with the statement is "brainlessly obnoxious"?

Did yuo not reply to

So you believe tom Brady had consistently lied.

with "Yes"

 

[NashuaPats]

I found a report regarding the gauges yesterday that stated that they are not as reliable as they were made out to be. I then looked in the Well's report which basically argues repeatability but it does show that a new gauge can read anywhere from 12.6 to 13.2. The Wells report shows that out 50 gauges they tested in a controlled environment set to 13 psi that only 8 gauges read 13 psi while 22 gauges read below 13 psi. In short, it is a lot more possible than I had previously thought that both the Colts and the Patriots footballs were set with gauges out of Calibration.

If the pressure of a football was set to 12.5 while it was still warm it would have deflated to 12.2 or less when being tested in the ref locker room.

OR if both the Patriots and Colts gauges were out of Calibration then they would have been set incorrectly to begin with.

Anyways Walts usage of the logo gauge is still a strong possibility in my mind.

Also, if the locker rooms where the Colts and the Pats prepared their footballs were just a few degrees warmer than than the room Walt measured the balls, it would be more likely the logo gauge was used.

I find it very suspicious that Exponent pointed out that these factors, rubbing and difference in room temperatures, were irrelevant to the starting psi's, but failed to point out that it would help determine which gauge was used.

The most obvious and logical way to determine the gauge was overlooked while they used a convoluted and flawed methodology. That's evidence that they were not acting in good faith. Exponent has intelligent people and was paid $600K, so failing to do such simple and obvious testing is clearly an act of dishonesty as they clearly had no interest in finding out which gauge was actually used, but to determine it was the one that helped the NFL's case.

 

[Ring 6]

I might work that through for you if I thought you were approaching this thread with the slightest modicum of brains or integrity, for example if you'd shown the slightest interest in correcting the aggressively repeated error I called you out on above.

Under the circumstances, however, I "respectfully" decline to do so.

OK Roger, just ignore reality.

As I said, the dispute here is you saying Brady lied.

I showed exactly where you said exactly that, and you call me names.

You are again embarrassing yourself, and should apologize for your behavior and take a time out from posting until you are in a more reasonable mood.

 

[Tony2046]

I find his thoughts on this to be revealing. He probably doesn't get embarrassed.

I find arguing the counterpoints (just found out that is one word btw) to be a healthy way to improve your arguments.

Fighting blindly is never a smart thing.

Not saying you were fighting blindly by the way.

 

[Tony2046]

Also, if the locker rooms where the Colts and the Pats prepared their footballs were just a few degrees warmer than than the room Walt measured the balls, it would be more likely the logo gauge was used.

I find it very suspicious that Exponent pointed out that these factors, rubbing and difference in room temperatures, were irrelevant to the starting psi's, but failed to point out that it would help determine which gauge was used.

The most obvious and logical way to determine the gauge was overlooked while they used a convoluted and flawed methodology. That's evidence that they were not acting in good faith. Exponent has intelligent people and was paid $600K, so failing to do such simple and obvious testing is clearly an act of dishonesty as they clearly had not interest in finding out which gauge was actually used, but to determine it was the one that helped the NFL's case.

What a great post Nash.

 

[Ross12]

F*** guys, let's all calm down a little.

I don't particularly like @Fencer 's opening post, but I can understand his reasoning. Brady may do something minor at some point that might maybe skirt the rules a little. I don't think that's a crazy leap in logic, because most likely everyone does. It's the NFL. The league's bread & butter for decades was dirty hits and violence. Now, suddenly, probably due in part to the concussions issues, they want to be "clean." But you can't change a decades-old culture overnight, especially in a sport whose prime activity is smashing into other people.

Do I think it's crazy to think Brady may skirt a rule a little from time to time? No. But there's no reason to assume that ball inflation was the rule he was trying to skirt, given all we know about the case. Human nature dictates that if it were, McNally/Jastremski/both would've outed him by now to save their own skins.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

There is a reason why Wells did not state how much air he thought was released from those footballs. Because even though you cannot determine conclusively what the actual pressure was in those balls you can conclusively state what the worst case scenario would have been and that was miniscule amount of air which would not have contributed to any competitive advantage.

We have Goodell on record stating that science can't explain it all and that a significant amount of air must have been let out by a person. I wonder if he is still going by 10.1 and hasn't read the Wells report?

 

[Fencer]

As I said, the dispute here is you saying Brady lied.

Hardly. I said that from BB on down, the Pats lie regularly, and you didn't even dispute it. Nor should you have.

I do object to all the other crap you made up about me, however.

 

[Ring 6]

F*** guys, let's all calm down a little.

I don't particularly like @Fencer 's opening post, but I can understand his reasoning. Brady may do something minor at some point that might maybe skirt the rules a little. I don't think that's a crazy leap in logic, because most likely everyone does. It's the NFL. The league's bread & butter for decades was dirty hits and violence. Now, suddenly, probably due in part to the concussions issues, they want to be "clean." But you can't change a decades-old culture overnight, especially in a sport whose prime activity is smashing into other people.

Do I think it's crazy to think Brady may skirt a rule a little from time to time? No. But there's no reason to assume that ball inflation was the rule he was trying to skirt, given all we know about the case. Human nature dictates that if it were, McNally/Jastremski/both would've outed him by now to save their own skins.

I totally understand the original post, and its intention. Calling Tom Brady a liar, however, is unacceptable, and that is what he did.

 

[Ring 6]

Hardly. I said that from BB on down, the Pats lie regularly, and you didn't even dispute it. Nor should you have.

I do object to all the other crap you made up about me, however.

Post 63.
I asked if you think Brady has been lying consistently and you said yes. You cannot escape that, you said it, no matter how many times you want to lie and say you didn't.

 

[Tony2046]

We have Goodell on record stating that science can't explain it all and that a significant amount of air must have been let out by a person. I wonder if he is still going by 10.1 and hasn't read the Wells report?

I wish that during the appeal that Kessler had asked one of the bozos from exponent how much air they thought was missing or released. They would have stated something in the vicinity of 0.3 psi. If they had asked that it would have been in the now released transcripts. The media would have jumped all over that.

 

[Ross12]

I totally understand the original post, and its intention. Calling Tom Brady a liar, however, is unacceptable, and that is what he did.

I didn't get the feeling he was trying to call Brady a liar, but I only made it through the first couple pages of this thread, so I could've missed it.

 

[Ring 6]

I didn't get the feeling he was trying to call Brady a liar, but I only made it through the first couple pages of this thread, so I could've missed it.

Post #63

 

[Ring 6]

Hardly. I said that from BB on down, the Pats lie regularly, and you didn't even dispute it. Nor should you have.

I do object to all the other crap you made up about me, however.

Cannot be more clear than this

 

[Tuck]

• In football, teams engage in injury-report shenanigans all the time. The Patriots are among the ringleaders.

Disagree. See Ravens, Lions, Colts

 

[Fencer]

Post 63.
I asked if you think Brady has been lying consistently and you said yes. You cannot escape that, you said it, no matter how many times you want to lie and say you didn't.

Of course I said yes. Tom Brady has been the starting QB of the New England Patriots since 2001. Therefore, he has been under orders to lie since at least 2001.

As for you calling me a liar -- you're a lousy excuse for a brainlessly dishonest imitation of a human being. Please go crawl back into your sewer.

 

[JMC00]

Supposedly McNally told Wells that he did not take the balls to the bathroom and in a follow-up interview, Wells told McNally that they had video of him going to the bathroom and McNally instantly remembered.

If I recall, McNally also said that the balls were lying outside the officials room but when others said that they saw him take the balls, McNally changed his story.

At this point, it would not surprise me in the least that McNally's testimony was doctored (see Pash)or Wells contorted McNally's testimony to shape the narrative he needed to satisfy his customer.

Or, McNally just plain didn't remember what the hell he did (winner)

I also think there was that thing where McNally said he used a "stall" but there are only urinals in that particular bathroom.

Yep they would like you to believe no one in the history of the world has called a urinal a stall before

 

[Fencer]

I didn't get the feeling he was trying to call Brady a liar, but I only made it through the first couple pages of this thread, so I could've missed it.

I wasn't in the way that scum-sucking moronic liar Andy is trying to spin it via his diseased keyboard.

However, technically, I believe everybody who is relentlessly "on message" lies, and I certainly believe BB's Patriots are relentlessly on message.