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So you believe tom Brady had consistently lied.

Yes.

But then, I also believe BB lies at multiple press conferences per week. E.g., do you really believe he didn't know there was a plane flying a banner over the practice field?
 
measuring footballs without letting air out after referee inspection is illegal. i am not saying this absolutely happened but it is one of several possibilities.
So you just made something up and call that a possibility?
The refs couldn't measure 24 balls in a 15 minute halftime and you expect McNally to do it in 100 seconds?
This is ludicrous.
 
Why do you think that is more likely than him just going to the bathroom to pee?

I always have to go back to the fact there was no reason to suspect wrong doing in the first place since the balls aligned with the gauge the ref said he used. The rest is overanalyzing perfectly innocent behavior led by a guy who pointed out locking a bathroom door as being suspicious.

look, if i am mcnally and tom came down hard on me after the jets game, I am double checking every ball after the refs pump air into them for every game. that's just me though.
 
There is no evidence that Brady did anything wrong. Those people are just being jackarses
 
Yes.

But then, I also believe BB lies at multiple press conferences per week. E.g., do you really believe he didn't know there was a plane flying a banner over the practice field?
Ok we know where you stand. Tom Brady is a liar under oath so that also makes him a perjurer and a cheater.
Comparing belichick answering reporters questions to tom Brady testifying under oath is moronic
 
So you just made something up and call that a possibility?
The refs couldn't measure 24 balls in a 15 minute halftime and you expect McNally to do it in 100 seconds?
This is ludicrous.

It is possible. That's the red herring.
 
I think if anything happened it is as plausible that Brady was not aware. There isn't any text message to or from Brady regarding deflation practices. The only text messages that exist relating to pressure all call for a 12.5 - 13 psi range and to show the refs the rule book.

I tend to agree. The "If anything went on Brady must have known" argument is only persuasive if it was something organized, substantial, and well thought-out. Minor rogue operations could easily have happened without him knowing -- if they happened at all. (The evidence suggests they didn't happen at all, but in honesty they don't prove it. E.g., "If McNally tried to deflate balls in the bathroom, he sure did a lousy job of it", which is indeed proven by the evidence, doesn't quite go on to prove "He definitely didn't even try".)
 
look, if i am mcnally and tom came down hard on me after the jets game, I am double checking every ball after the refs pump air into them for every game. that's just me though.
He watched the ref gauge them
 
So you just made something up and call that a possibility?
The refs couldn't measure 24 balls in a 15 minute halftime and you expect McNally to do it in 100 seconds?
This is ludicrous.

mcnally only had 12 balls to deal with. by "measuring" he could have been doing a squeeze test
 
Ok we know where you stand. Tom Brady is a liar under oath so that also makes him a perjurer and a cheater.
Comparing belichick answering reporters questions to tom Brady testifying under oath is moronic

You really shouldn't be calling Tom Brady all those names.

I certainly didn't.
 
You really shouldn't be calling Tom Brady all those names.

I certainly didn't.
Of course you did. You said he lied
 
Why would you say Brady lied?
That us just not backed by anything

Reread my post, if you care, and figure out what "In that theory" actually referred to.
Or just accept that you misread it and move on, which is what I'd actually recommend.
 
There is no evidence that Brady did anything wrong. Those people are just being jackarses
....just as is there is no evidence that McNally and Jaz did anything wrong. Even the officials allowed him to move the balls from room to room...like he as always done.

With all this "wordsmithing" that's come out about Pash, I'm betting he did some deleting from the Wells Report which talks about what the WRC is referring to.

The report acknowledges that game officials specifically allowed Mr. McNally to take the game footballs from the dressing room of the Officials’ Locker Room (where the referee was) into the separate sitting room (pg. 55). No one told Mr. McNally that he could not then proceed to the field with the footballs. When the NFC Championship Game ended abruptly in overtime and Mr. McNally started from the back of the sitting room towards the door to the hallway, he walked by numerous League officials in the sitting room. As the report states (pg. 55), the sitting room was crowded with “NFL personnel, game officials and others gathered there to watch the conclusion of the NFC Championship Game on television.” Mr. McNally had to navigate this crowd of officials to make it through the sitting room with two large bags of footballs on his shoulders. Mr. McNally, a physically big man, hoisted two large bags of footballs and lumbered past all these League officials and out the door of the Officials’ Locker Room. As is clear from the report, no one objected; no one told him to stop; no one requested that he wait to be accompanied by a League official; no one told him that a League official had to carry the footballs to the field. After he walked past all of these League officials and out the door of the Officials’ Locker Room to the hallway, he then walked past James Daniel, an NFL official and one of the people who had been alerted to the Colts psi concerns pre-game (pg. 45). Mr. Daniel, as seen on the security video, looked at Mr. McNally carrying the bags of footballs toward the field unaccompanied by any League or game official, and made no objection to Mr. McNally continuing unaccompanied to the field. In short, if officials lost track of the location of game footballs, it was not because Mr. McNally stealthily removed them. (Omitted from the investigation were interviews with all those League officials whom Mr. McNally walked past with the bags of footballs on his shoulders.) Even after halftime, when obvious attention was being paid to game footballs and psi issues by League and game officials, who took control of the footballs at halftime, the security video shows Mr. McNally, with no objection, taking the footballs from the Officials’ Locker Room back to the field totally unaccompanied by any League or Game official. Mr. McNally’s removal of the footballs from the Officials’ Locker Room before the game began was simply not unauthorized, unknown, unusual, or in violation of some protocol or instruction. The report nonetheless portrays Mr. McNally’s departure from the Officials’ Locker Room before the game as a step in secretly taking the footballs for nefarious reasons.
 
You cannot gauge 12 balls in a bathroom in 100 seconds
I thought McNally had all 24 (12 Patriot and 12 Colt). but, I imagine they were in separate bags, so technically 12 is fine for this purpose. and, I agree with you Andy.
 
So you believe tom Brady had consistently lied.

It wouldn't surprise me. People lie about their recollection under oath all the time. BB, Brady, and every other Pat lie at the press conference podium repeatedly.

"I don't remember"/"I don't know"/"I've never thought about that" are, at a guess, lies more often than not, or at least evasions.
 
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