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What a joke, the whole report. What kind of a professional submits a report that uses the words "likely, possibly, and generally knew". Its irresponsible at best. If you cant prove it, no evidence, you can think you know what happened, but you dont submit a report like that. That would get torn up by any half a@@ lawyer in court.
He might as well says dragons PROBABLY existed and Saint George Generally knew about them. Bah, total sham. Probably.
 
I don't know. You don't know. Ted Wells doesn't know. Kraft's statement implies no belief in anyone's guilt.

Of course I don't know and I generally believe this entire thing is crap, but there's enough to know that someone did something.

Just saying
 
Of course I don't know and I generally believe this entire thing is crap, but there's enough to know that someone did something.

Just saying

You're wrong. You're confusing belief with knowledge.

Just saying.
 
Get ready fellow pats fans, the haters are coming out full force. Pitchforks and torches in hand.
 
Jastermski said after the jests game that the balls were close to 16 lbs but were suppose to be 13 lbs. If they are treating the text messages as evidence how come they seem to ignore that Jastermski saying they needed to be 13 meant Brady wants them at 13?
Or, that Brady simply wanted them at 12.5 and the two ball handlers put them at 12.5, then Mother Nature brought them a smidgen lower. Whatever. The whole thing is so insignificant -- no competitive advantage for the Patriots whatsoever.
 
Living out of the area, the next couple of days should be a ton of fun, listening to morons go on & on about "cheating Tom" and the "cheatriots" :rolleyes: . The average Human is so stupid that there is no point in attempting to discuss the holes in this report and the fact that it's based off of text messages and biased speculation. What I really love is when people who don't have the first clue about football chime in with their opinions.

Thank god we won the super bowl.
 
You're always wrong. No one is perfect.

Ok, troll. Off to ignore land with you. I've no need to abide the clowns today, when I've tried to keep this thread as even keeled as possible, in both directions. There's no way Ian would begrudge me not putting up with your stupidity today.
 
You know things are messed up when Bob Costas is the voice of reason. Tonight on NBC Nightly News, he's emphasizing how this wouldn't be a big deal if it was anybody else.
 
Ok, troll. Off to ignore land with you. I've no need to abide the clowns today, when I've tried to keep this thread as even keeled as possible, in both directions.

You don't know what a troll is brah.
 
The only media guy even locally who seems to think this is absurd is Jeff Howe. Neither curran or reiss have come out strongly against this.
 
Jastermski said after the jests game that the balls were close to 16 lbs but were suppose to be 13 lbs. If they are treating the text messages as evidence how come they seem to ignore that Jastermski saying they needed to be 13 meant "more probable than not" that Brady wanted them at 13?
"The texts show Brady was working with them to get the balls below spec, except for the part about 13 pounds, but don't worry about that.

As you can see here, all the Pats' balls were quite a bit below spec at halftime, so something is definitely up. The Colt's balls were also all below spec, but don't worry about that.

It's possible to deflate 12 footballs in 1 minute and 40 seconds. For real, we timed it. However, we only measured 4 Colts balls because we couldn't manage to measure 24 footballs in like 20 minutes. But don't worry about that.

The balls originally started at 12.5 and 13.0 respectively. This is definitely accurate. It's actually all based on the recollections of an old referee, but don't worry about that.

Finally, based on our Super Scientific Evidence, we believe the Pats' balls should have lost (X) amount of pressure, but they deflated by more than that. Therefore the Pats (more likely than not) TAMPERED! Based on that same math, the Colts balls actually didn't lose nearly as much pressure as they should have, but as always, don't worry about that."
 
Anyone catch what they said on NBC nightly news? Costas, of all people actually did not make a bad point with what he said. This would not be a big deal if it were someone not at the level of Brady, and that if it did happpen, it was nothing more than "gamesmanship"
 
You know things are messed up when Bob Costas is the voice of reason. Tonight on NBC Nightly News, he's emphasizing how this wouldn't be a big deal if it was anybody else.
Yup. This exactly.
 
Get ready fellow pats fans, the haters are coming out full force. Pitchforks and torches in hand.
Nothing really new. Simply more widespread. I'm done forever trying to argue against it. I've been on enough fools' errands in my life.
 
"The texts show Brady was working with them to get the balls below spec, except for the part about 13 pounds, but don't worry about that.

As you can see here, all the Pats' balls were quite a bit below spec at halftime, so something is definitely up. The Colt's balls were also all below spec, but don't worry about that.

The balls originally started at 12.5 and 13.0 respectively. This is definitely accurate. It's actually all based on the recollections of an old referee, but don't worry about that.

Finally, based on our Super Scientific Evidence, we believe the Pats' balls should have lost (X) amount of pressure, but they deflated by more than that. Therefore the Pats (more likely than not) TAMPERED! Based on that same math, the Colts balls actually didn't lose nearly as much pressure as they should have, but as always, don't worry about that."
That's as good of a summary as I've heard. Bravo!
 
All kinds of good points being made by posters. But, in the end, none of us like what's in this report - regardless of our interpretation.

It stinks. And, I can only speak for myself, those texts prove nothing but they are plenty for haters to gobble up. And I wish they didn't exist.
 
Of course I don't know and I generally believe this entire thing is crap, but there's enough to know that someone did something.

Just saying
does that include the nfl appearing to do the right thing as opposed to the right thing?
 
The level of evidence is definitely stronger than I think most anticipated. Now I guess it's a wait and see to hear what penalties the NFL lays down against Tom and the Pats. Let's hope is just a fine but I have a feeling it's going to be more than that.

It really isn't. I'm sure Columbia laughed at Wells "measurements" and hung up. Just one simple scenario to explain why the only "evidence" is 200 pages of conjecture based on a couple texts and somebody entering the bathroom. The league provides a simple explanation with the text regarding 16 psi footballs in the Meadowlands. Where's the investigation on that?

The nfl's own gauges differ by .35 psi, more than the descrepancy the Patriots are being slammed over.

The report claims deflating 12 footballs in a locked bathroom can be done in 70 seconds. Problem is, 2 nfl refs can't measure 24 footballs each in 12 minutes? Maybe after Colts balls started measuring low they decided they better stop if this sting is going to work. Also of note, I'm sure Blakeman didn't have any feelings either way after the public beating (and I'm sure crazy letters and threats) he took for puking down his chest at the end of the Carolina game...

Cold rain not taken into account by CaliHacks. They are tight on water, it's understandable. Pats balls were probably more wet as they dominated time of possession 38 to 22 (couldn't find 1st half Stat in a few minutes of googling). As other individuals have shown, a wet football expands a bit, slightly lowering psi due to a contained fluid filling a larger volume.

That said, 9 of 11 footballs still fell into CaliHacks predicted range. Maybe that one outlier had to do with the Pats stomping all over the Colts in the first half and that one ball saw more punishment?

This seems far more plausible, and physically backed by the ideal gas LAW, rather than a handful of grumpy texts. In physics, laws are not doubted. If it was the ideal gas theory, it could be sloughed aside with the ignorant arrogance of this ill contrived report. This 200 page abortion raises more questions about the legitimacy of the process prior to the game, and the process of the investigation and report writers than it does of Tom Brady or the two equipment guys.

16 psi ball after nj game. Brady goes ape ****, looks up rules, tells equipment guys to make sure balls are at low end of guidelines and beats them about it all year. Snide, grumpy texts result.

But no, forget the majority of the balls fall within guidelines (both sets if balls set with higher measuring gauge pregame) and throw a cloud of doubt on the greatest dynasty of the salary cap Era.
 
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