Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

[The Gr8est]

Not sure why Mike Reiss is convinced that 11 of 12 balls being around 11 psi is damning, but two or three would not be.

If the drop in psi is based on physics (temperature change, exterior physical pressure, etc.), then it would make more sense that all of the footballs would drop in psi. If only a few dropped, then the physics theory would not make sense.

Seems to me that he has it backwards.

Agreed. The balls all being the same weight indicates uniformity. I would expect that to normally be the case. Balls with pressures widely varying is something I would not expect, and I doubt any QB wants that either.

 

[jmt57]

11 of 12 being deflated to 11 psi is pretty damning evidence. Info on the Colts balls needs to come out. If those are the correct psi than the Pats are ****ed. Suspension for Bill, lost draft picks, etc.

Why is 11 of 12 damning?

If physics (temperature change, physical stress on the football) caused the football to drop to 11 psi, then it would make sense that they would all drop; it wouldn't make sense that only a couple would drop, but the others would stay higher.

 

[catent]

The only question that needs to be answered is if the balls were inspected prior to the game by the officials, if said inspection including a PSI measurement, and if the pressure was measured, what it indicated.

That will tell us all we need to know about the culpability of the Pats.

 

[Todd Bradley]

I wonder if Kraft cashes in his favor for standing by Goodell during the Ray Rice fiasco, to sweep this aside as quick as possible.

Because Kraft certainly didn't have to support him, and shouldn't have, but that's just my opinion.

Sad I even have to suggest this...

No. Your opinion was silly and childish because it was silly and childish.



And here, you clearly have a comprehension issue. I never stated you had a campaign. I noted that I didn't give a damn about people not agreeing with me. Big difference.

You're carrying on this nonsense, while calling me names.

I think you sir are the one being silly and childish. Hypocrite.

 

[shmessy]

Sick sense of humor but I stilled laughed

I didn't.

 

[ravenhater]

 

[Sciz]

Don't you have "best" and "worst" switched there? It's best for NE if NE handed in under inflated balls and the refs failed to check.

For the league, I'm saying. They have the least to worry about if they can say it was all the Pats' doing. It's more of a problem for them if the refs messed up. Either way, the NFL would not be happy with knowing under inflated balls were used.

 

[upstater1]

Yeah, you've been ignoring all the physics talk here, I suppose? Also, you, like the other guy, seem to like ignoring the word "if" (or in this case, the phrase "assuming the initial inspection of footballs by referee Walt Anderson and his crew was done correctly and that weather wasn't a factor", which means the same thing, in context).

I have no idea what your post means. The weather can change PSI. We all know this. But we don't know if it did here or if it changed it to 11 PSI. And we never ever will. So saying "if" is nonsense. Unless the Patriots tampered with the balls, then they should not be held accountable.

 

[tombonneau]

They will blame on the equipment manager . BB will deny any knowledge if that is the case and I still doubht he is worried about it during the middle of the AFCCG but league wont spare him.

Time for this equipment manager to fall on his sword as a lone wolf. I'm sure he'll get a nice severance package.

 

[Deus Irae]

I wonder if Kraft cashes in his favor for standing by Goodell during the Ray Rice fiasco, to sweep this aside as quick as possible.

Because Kraft certainly didn't have to support him, and shouldn't have, but that's just my opinion.

Sad I even have to suggest this...



You're carrying on this nonsense, while calling me names.

I think you sir are the one being silly and childish. Hypocrite.

Again, you have a comprehension issue. I'm not calling you names.

 

[supafly]

Say the Patriots had the ballboy deflate the balls. The rule book stipulates what the penalty is. $25k. And, when the Vikings and Titans were caught manipulating the balls on the sidelines this season, the NFL did not penalize them. Given those 2 facts, why are people talking about draft picks?

The difference may be in what they see as "reasonable." In other words if there was funny business like everyone has been suggesting since 3 hrs after the game ended, then harsher punishments may surface.

Actually, one of the comments made by someone within the league may have suggested the potential loss of draft picks--or was it simply the report by Kravitz? I can't remember.

To be honest, I don't even care about a freaking draft pick. I'd happily exchange a draft pick to be able to enjoy the moment. I would imagine the team would highly disagree with me...then again, maybe not.

 

[robbomango]

Whether true or not this is really sad for the team, they're gonna be bombarded with this crap all week. So tragic, I feel numb....

 

[FrodoBagginz]

Not sure why Mike Reiss is convinced that 11 of 12 balls being around 11 psi is damning, but two or three would not be.

If the drop in psi is based on physics (temperature change, exterior physical pressure, etc.), then it would make more sense that all of the footballs would drop in psi. If only a few dropped, then the physics theory would not make sense.

Seems to me that he has it backwards.

But that brings up the question of the 12th ball. Why wasn't that at the same PSI as the other balls?

 

[Wrath Mania]

There's absolutely nothing off with Reiss' statement. He's being realistic: IF indeed it is found not to be a natural phenomenon nor incompetence of the refs, then the Patriots should be held accountable. Fine. Good. I also don't see how BB doesn't pay a steep price in that circumstance; the league hates him, Kraft will side with the league, etc...

That said, I have a feeling we're gonna hear how the refs didn't properly check the balls with two hours fifteen minutes to go. That is essentially what Rodgers said he banks on, being able to get over-inflated balls past this half-assed inspection. Of course, in theory, that might just prove that the Patriots have been doing this for a while- and if they are deliberately doing it, then it's been for more than one game almost certainly- and the refs were too dumb to check.

 

[Deus Irae]

... we don't know if it did here or if it changed it to 11 PSI.

This is true.

And we never ever will.

This is not necessarily true.

 

[Patriots1364life]

Way to ruined the fking superbowl for me.We better pray that the colts played with the same size balls

 

[The Gr8est]

Say the Patriots had the ballboy deflate the balls. The rule book stipulates what the penalty is. $25k. And, when the Vikings and Titans were caught manipulating the balls on the sidelines this season, the NFL did not penalize them. Given those 2 facts, why are people talking about draft picks?

Because Goodell has a history of punishing excellent teams severely and giving the bottom dwellers a pass.

 

[Joker]

Time for this equipment manager to fall on his sword as a lone wolf. I'm sure he'll get a nice severance package.

AHA!!! The Sal Alosi Protocol...nah, would never work. Goodell already used that one

 

[JMarr]

If the Pats are found to have cheated, my season ended January 18th. I won't watch football until next season. Honestly, I wouldn't care about the SB because it wouldn't matter to me, it'll be ruined. Win or lose, the season is ruined. Now I have to go to work everyday and hear from NY teams fans how we are cheaters and a disgrace to the league. Oddly enough, these same people were defending the Pats prior to this report.

Screw people at work and enjoy watching the Pats destroy the Seahawks in a game where potential cheating isn't an issue (just like the Chargers, then 16 other teams in 2007). Then you can stick it back in their faces just as hard. Of course, if we lose.....ouch.

 

[upstater1]

why do people keep saying the weather "deflated" the balls? It's pretty simple. If the temp goes down, so does pressure. If you have a ball and you bring the temp back up, the pressure increases. There is no loss of air assuming that the ball is not defective.

I'm going to assume that the NFL is smart enough to measure the pressure in the same conditions that it originally did but please, there is no loss of air due to the cold... it's only the pressure that changes.

Balls are not airtight containers. Neither are car tires. We reinflate soccer balls after games because they lose air. In fact, I've had tires that lost pressure with colder temps, but when it warmed up the next day, the tire was still down