Does this just make too much sense? (Andre Johnson wants out of Houston)

[SHOWTIME15]

I disagree.

Andre is elite and has a few good years left.

Dobson has potential to be good. But who knows how he'll turn out.

BB throw's third round picks like their yesterday's garbage so if we have to part ways with one to get Brady a legit #1 WR for his last few years, so be it.

There are a lot of overrating Dobson posts and underrating Johnson posts going on.

Andre johnson = Super Bowl

 

[Rob0729]

Andre johnson = Super Bowl

You can't say that. There are no guarantees. It makes them either the favorite or co-favorites with Seattle. I mean the Texans were a favorite to compete for the Super Bowl before last season and they went 2-14.

 

[condon84]

But why not give a second round for Johnson and keep the 3rd rounder and Dobson? If Johnson is going to be a top WR for a few years, why not just give up the second rather than give up a player you thought was good enough to draft in the second round (and showed nothing yet that they were wrong to pick him in the second round) and a third.

So you are arguing that instead of giving up a second round pick, they should give up a third and player that the Pats feel is worth second round compensation?

It is too steep to give up Dobson and a third because the Texans are reportedly looking for a second and Dobson and a third is worth more than a second. It is like going to a car dealership and paying $30k for a car with a sticker price of $25k. Personally, if the Pats do believe in the potential of Dobson, they aren't trading Dobson for Johnson straight up.

I don't know what is really being offered. I was strictly responding to a post about Dobson and a 3rd being too steep.

If we can get Johnson for a 2nd round pick, that's great too.

Point is, Brady is nearing the end of his career. Waiting on Dobson to realize his potential, or any of the future draft picks to make an impact, is not going to equal the contributions Andre can make in the next few years if we do get him.

You're getting a sure thing in Andre. This is a no-brainer for me if he can be had. Unless Houston wants two 1st round picks or something crazy like that.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

I'd much rather have Johnson than Dobson if the objective is to win a SB this next season.

 

[Rob0729]

I don't know what is really being offered. I was strictly responding to a post about Dobson and a 3rd being too steep.

If we can get Johnson for a 2nd round pick, that's great too.

Point is, Brady is nearing the end of his career. Waiting on Dobson to realize his potential, or any of the future draft picks to make an impact, is not going to equal the contributions Andre can make in the next few years if we do get him.

You're getting a sure thing in Andre. This is a no-brainer for me if he can be had. Unless Houston wants two 1st round picks or something crazy like that.

Is Johnson a sure thing? He is likely to be a 1,000 plus yard WR again this upcoming season, but he will also be 33 and there is no guarantees that he doesn't hit the age wall.

And who's to say that Dobson doesn't make huge leaps this year. Some of the elite WRs in the NFL had worse rookie seasons than Dobson even with playing all 16 games and then have Pro Bowl seasons in year two. Not saying that Dobson will be that type of player to make that kind of jump, but he might. If Dobson becomes a 1,000 plus yard receiver starting this year and does so for the next 7-8 years, it could be a disastrous trade for the Pats.

 

[condon84]

Is Johnson a sure thing? He is likely to be a 1,000 plus yard WR again this upcoming season, but he will also be 33 and there is no guarantees that he doesn't hit the age wall.

And who's to say that Dobson doesn't make huge leaps this year. Some of the elite WRs in the NFL had worse rookie seasons than Dobson even with playing all 16 games and then have Pro Bowl seasons in year two. Not saying that Dobson will be that type of player to make that kind of jump, but he might. If Dobson becomes a 1,000 plus yard receiver starting this year and does so for the next 7-8 years, it could be a disastrous trade for the Pats.

There's a risk to every move. But if you're trying to say that Dobson gives us the better chance of winning the SB next year over Andre, then I'll leave it as me strongly disagreeing with you.

 

[VJCPatriot]

It is too steep to give up Dobson and a third because the Texans are reportedly looking for a second and Dobson and a third is worth more than a second. It is like going to a car dealership and paying $30k for a car with a sticker price of $25k. Personally, if the Pats do believe in the potential of Dobson, they aren't trading Dobson for Johnson straight up.

Yup, that was not a very well thought out trade idea by the writer. I'd offer Amendola and a 3rd (to make the cap trade work better) or Mallet and a 3rd (he's not long for NE with JG in town). But not Dobson and a 3rd.

 

[Rob0729]

There's a risk to every move. But if you're trying to say that Dobson gives us the better chance of winning the SB next year over Andre, then I'll leave it as me strongly disagreeing with you.

I would say Dobson may have a better shot to get the Pats two or three Super Bowls before Brady retires. I am sorry, but I am not in the camp that the Pats should sacrifice the future to win this year.

 

[condon84]

I would say Dobson may have a better shot to get the Pats two or three Super Bowls before Brady retires. I am sorry, but I am not in the camp that the Pats should sacrifice the future to win this year.

You are way overrating Dobson. What did he do in his first year to suggest he's going to surpass Andre in the next few years even with Andre's age?

I don't equate trading Dobson and a 3rd for AJ as sacrificing for the future.

 

[Rob0729]

You are way overrating Dobson. What did he do in his first year to suggest he's going to surpass Andre in the next few years even with Andre's age?

I don't equate trading Dobson and a 3rd for AJ as sacrificing for the future.

How do you know if I am way overrating Dobson? Maybe you are way underrating him and way overrating Johnson. Personally, I think Dobson may be far more effective for the Pats past the 2014 season than Johnson because Johnson is an one year rental unless he takes a massive pay cut to stay with the Pats beyond 2014.

I think Dobson is going to be a solid receiver in this league. I don't think elite, but I do know if the Pats don't trade him he will be far more productive than a player who isn't on the roster because the Pats are forced to cut him for salary cap reasons.

If I was to guess about Dobson's future, I think he will be about on par with Deion Branch. Branch was solid, but not spectacular. And yes, I know they are very different receivers. I just mean in terms of overall production, not how they produce.

 

[Triumph]

I disagree.

Andre is elite and has a few good years left.

Dobson has potential to be good. But who knows how he'll turn out.

BB throw's third round picks like their yesterday's garbage so if we have to part ways with one to get Brady a legit #1 WR for his last few years, so be it.

There are a lot of overrating Dobson posts and underrating Johnson posts going on.

Seems so un Patriot like. Like its a go for broke approach and thats not how BB has ever operated. Seems like if BB was going that route he would have packaged draft picks and moved up to get a WR who would be playing on the cheap for 4 years.

What Johnson have left? 2 maybe 3 years. Justin Blackmon or a FA cut for nothing is more the NE way.

 

[condon84]

How do you know if I am way overrating Dobson? Maybe you are way underrating him and way overrating Johnson. Personally, I think Dobson may be far more effective for the Pats past the 2014 season than Johnson because Johnson is an one year rental unless he takes a massive pay cut to stay with the Pats beyond 2014.

I think Dobson is going to be a solid receiver in this league. I don't think elite, but I do know if the Pats don't trade him he will be far more productive than a player who isn't on the roster because the Pats are forced to cut him for salary cap reasons.

If I was to guess about Dobson's future, I think he will be about on par with Deion Branch. Branch was solid, but not spectacular. And yes, I know they are very different receivers. I just mean in terms of overall production, not how they produce.

I watched both guys play enough last year to determine that you are off your rockers in your assessment of Dobson > AJ for next year's team. Keep in mind, AJ drew double teams and the defense best CB. While Dobson never got double teamed or drew the defense's best cover corner.

Could Dobson be better in 5-6 years? Possibly. But the next two years and especially next year? This shouldn't even be an argument.

 

[Rob0729]

I watched both guys play enough last year to determine that you are off your rockers in your assessment of Dobson > AJ for next year's team. Keep in mind, AJ drew double teams and the defense best CB. While Dobson never got double teamed or drew the defense's best cover corner.

Could Dobson be better in 5-6 years? Possibly. But the next two years and especially next year? This shouldn't even be an argument.

Not off my rocker at all because I never said that Dobson is better than AJ for next year's team. I am saying Dobson > No AJ and No Dobson in 2015. You are making an argument against something I never said. If the Pats trade for Andre Johnson, it may be an one year rental.

I said Dobson is likely to be on par with Branch in terms of overall production. Branch was never a 1,400 yard WR. The problem is that at his age, we don't know how soon Johnson stops being a 1,400 yard WR.

My point is I am not giving up Dobson who might be a 1,000 yard receiver for the next 7-9 years and a third round pick for an one year rental even a player the quality of Andre Johnson. If the Pats are not confident that Dobson is going to be that guy, I might change my mind. But I wouldn't give up Dobson and a third in lieu of a second round pick. The Pats have other trade capital than Dobson including Mallett and picks.

 

[PATSMATT]

If the Pats can rework his contract and add a few more years onto the Deal I gladly make a trade that would include Dobson. Johnson is a beast and the kinda of receiver we haven't had since Randy.

 

[PATSMATT]

If we could move Amendola for him and keep Dobson that would be even better.

 

[TBR]

There's no way I could see us giving up Dobson for Johnson

 

[Ring 6]

Andre johnson = Super Bowl

Because he has led so many teams to one?

 

[Username]

I don't get why some people are so quick to dismiss Aaron Dobsons rookie season as being unimpressive or even poor. 37 receptions for 520 yards in 12 games as a rookie is not to be sniffed at, considering how complex our offense is reputed to be.

I'm not saying he's going to be the next Megatron, but he's going to be a very important cog in this offense for years to come.

 

[brdmaverick]

The reality is that Dobson is still a wild card. While we all dream of him being a great player, it's still not known if he'll be the next Branch/Givens or Chad Jackson/Brandon Tate.

With Andre Johnson there is no doubt, he is elite. TIme is not on Brady's side, so the I think most on this board would prefer to take their chances (and Brady's last few productive years) with a sure thing vs potential/hope.

 

[brdmaverick]

Because he has led so many teams to one?

Nor did Corey Dillon and Randy Moss before New England, but you can see how much they can add when complimented with the right kind of players and environment the Patriots provide.