Wilfork Restructures Contract (3 Yr 22.5 Mil)

[Deus Irae]

Know what I'm annoyed at?

What I'm annoyed at is that leading up to today a player with a historical 38% never play another down in the NFL injury occurs to a grossly overweight player whose grossly overweight brother, father, and mother all died young and were obese and his brother and father had diabetes, and his mother died of a stroke followed by a heart attack is ignored as a serious factor here by people who want to laud the player for his past (although let's not mention 2013 (they say it's a small sample size - I say he looked like crap), and give him a big pile of money that we don't have to.

Are all our holes fixed? No. Will they be after the draft? No. Would we better off with the $7.58M in additional cap to direct to areas we need help? That's the actual question. Neither side has had enough data - even this extension isn't proof positive - so what's with the guilt trip?

Pardon us unwashed savage unfeeling low lives for being concerned about VW being able to play at any professional level. Why is that concern inferior to your desire to retain big fat cuddly Vince based on the past? Does anybody want to seriously argue that Vince is NOT past his peak? Or that NT's or run package DT's are cheaper than when this contract was signed?

Nobody outside the medical staff and BB knows if they have an answer about him actually being in shape to play at a high level this year as of today - and if it's good enough. We can intimate that there is some hope, but how much? We'll see.

I'd rather be an unwashed savage unfeeling low life than a person who thinks we "owe" VW a dime beyond the limits of the rules if he can't earn it. VW will get his number retired in Foxobo regardless. He's a great player. Free agency should have washed away the pablum and naive mindset of fans a long time ago.

Unless you're expecting Vince to drop dead on the field because of his mother/father/brother, your post makes no sense.

 

[RayClay]

That's not true. He's not a significant asset in the pass rush, but he's not a liability. Anyone who commands a double team is, pretty much by definition, an asset in any situation where they're commanding a double team. He won't get many sacks, but if he's anything close to what he was in the past, he will push the pocket and command a double team.

How ironic that you're sig is a gif of Wilfork dominating the lineman to such an extent he shoves his Butt into Sanchez's face causing a fumble.

Of course it's absurd to argue that collapsing the pocket, requiring linemen to shift over to avoid a direct attack on the qb, doesn't make the pass rush incredibly better.

How many times did we see Solder have to move inside, allowing the outside rusher through. But that's his job. You can't allow pressure directly up the middle at any cost and that's what Kelly and Wilfork provide, at least until we get more impact tackles.

 

[TyronePoole]

Mebane and Red Bryant had 1.5 sacks between them in 2013. Maybe you should go talk to Pete Carroll and ask him how football works, or maybe just stick to playing Madden and fantasy football.

You mean Mebane and Bryant who played 50% and 46% of Seattle's defensive snaps this year? Bryant who was released? Sick burn bro

 

[TyronePoole]

Guess you missed the fact that the Pats had more sacks this year than any other year under Belichick's tenure. And that was WITHOUT Wilfork and Kelly in the middle for most of the year.

this can't be real lol

you seem to have a good handle on the roles the other guys you posted play btw. Geno Atkins big fat run stuffer.

 

[Sciz]

Know what I'm annoyed at?

What I'm annoyed at is that leading up to today a player with a historical 38% never play another down in the NFL injury

Please tell me you've got a better source for this than the often-cited article using data from the period 12 to 17 years ago.

 

[RayClay]

look this is just wrong. It's not true. It is false. BAD.

Our pass rush has been absolute dog**** when he's been on the field, this idea that "he takes up two blockers!" and thus allows pass rushers to roam free is a cliche that is not grounded in fact. Guys that rush the passer in nickel and dime which is what needs to be run most of the time to be a good defense these days are the ones that actually take up two blockers and disrupt the backfield in a meaningful way.

You're a real genius.

2012 Healthy Wilfork, Chandler gets 17.5 sacks. 2013 First 3 games, still gets 3,despite Wilfork struggling.

The last 13 games, no Wilfork, 8.5.

More than 1 a game, 1, then much less. You should really look into the Arena League, I don't think you understand the game. It is won in the trenches.

Oh, the gist of that is, you're wrong.

 

[DaBruinz]

I agree they need to add in the draft. Patsfan13 posted, and some others seemed to agree that we are set there.

I think people are really getting caught up in the upside they see in Armstead/Kelly/Wilfork. At least one of those guys is likely to be injured in a significant way and who even knows what performance level we can expect from them.

We have such a unique opportunity to turn it loose on the QB I don't even want hear this crap about the run defense. There is no team in today's NFL that loses because they have a sick pass defense and a porous run defense it's just not how the game is played or how OLs are constructed.

Why is one of Wilfork, Kelly or Armstead likely to be injured in a significant way? You do realize that you are talking out your arse on that one. None of those three are Injury prone. Kelly lost time for only the 2nd time in 9 years. Armstead had the same sort of infection from his surgery that Gronk had. (And the surgeries occurred at different hospitals with different doctors). And, last I looked, Vince had only missed time in 2006 and 2009 with injuries that didn't keep him out of the play-offs.

Now, I'm not saying that they are going to come in and start all 16 games and play 90% of the snaps each. I fully expect a rotation.

That being said, only a massive fool who doesn't understand the game at all would sit there and say that Wilfork occupying 2 blocker doesn't help the pass rush. Lets look at a typical set. 2WR, 1 RB, 2 TE, 5 OL, and QB. If Wilfork is occupying 2 OL, that leaves an OT and TE for Jones, the RG for Kelly, the RT for Ninkovich. That leaves Collins, Hightower, or Mayo in a favorable match-up either against a TE or RB. Or, it leaves the potential for a CB blitz.

 

[OhExaulted1]

an unwashed savage unfeeling low life.

What the hell does that even mean? And you said it twice. Is it some obscure biblical reference or a Pagan philosophical passage? Or is this just how the kids talk these days.

I just can't keep up with this ever evolving internet slang.

 

[TyronePoole]

You're a real genius.

2012 Healthy Wilfork, Chandler gets 17.5 sacks. 2013 First 3 games, still gets 3,despite Wilfork struggling.

The last 13 games, no Wilfork, 8.5.

More than 1 a game, 1, then much less. You should really look into the Arena League, I don't think you understand the game. It is won in the trenches.

Oh, the gist of that is, you're wrong.

lol we're doing sort by teammates potential imaginary sacks now. Seems foolproof.

I can only conclude the best DTs in the game are the ones whose teammate DE has the highest number of prorated sacks. SCOUTING MADE SIMPLE.

 

[DaBruinz]

Any links to that claim? Never seen him say anything like that aside from after the lights out game.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Go and read the San Diego Tribune. Said it the last time he was a free agent.

 

[TyronePoole]

Why is one of Wilfork, Kelly or Armstead likely to be injured in a significant way? You do realize that you are talking out your arse on that one. None of those three are Injury prone. Kelly lost time for only the 2nd time in 9 years. Armstead had the same sort of infection from his surgery that Gronk had. (And the surgeries occurred at different hospitals with different doctors). And, last I looked, Vince had only missed time in 2006 and 2009 with injuries that didn't keep him out of the play-offs.

Now, I'm not saying that they are going to come in and start all 16 games and play 90% of the snaps each. I fully expect a rotation.

That being said, only a massive fool who doesn't understand the game at all would sit there and say that Wilfork occupying 2 blocker doesn't help the pass rush. Lets look at a typical set. 2WR, 1 RB, 2 TE, 5 OL, and QB. If Wilfork is occupying 2 OL, that leaves an OT and TE for Jones, the RG for Kelly, the RT for Ninkovich. That leaves Collins, Hightower, or Mayo in a favorable match-up either against a TE or RB. Or, it leaves the potential for a CB blitz.

I'll ask you the same question I asked the other fella that disappeared after trying to "win" this argument. What odds will you give me that one of Wilfork/Kelly/Armstead will miss >5 games. It's not about being injury prone it's about coming off injury and being old and fat in a ridiculously violent sport. Thinking you can rely on them all to "rotate" in a meaningful way all year is lol, we lost all three last year!

Give me odds and a price please.

Also your second paragraph is terrible. He doesn't "occupy two blockers" on passing downs, that cliche is a parody of itself at this point.

 

[Joker]

What the hell does that even mean? And you said it twice. Is it some obscure biblical reference or a Pagan philosophical passage? Or is this just how the kids talk these days.

I just can't keep up with this ever evolving internet slang.

yeah...I stumbled on that one too...but I let it pass because he didn't include "unfed"...

 

[Sciz]

What the hell does that even mean? And you said it twice. Is it some obscure biblical reference or a Pagan philosophical passage? Or is this just how the kids talk these days.

I just can't keep up with this ever evolving internet slang.

According to Google, that was the first time that exact string of words has ever been used on the Internet.

 

[Joker]

According to Google, that was the first time that exact string of words has ever been used on the Internet.

well, snargle me gippered fester refterers...I did not know that

 

[OhExaulted1]

According to Google, that was the first time that exact string of words has ever been used on the Internet.

That made me LOL. For real. Hilarious.

 

[DaBruinz]

Know what I'm annoyed at?

What I'm annoyed at is that leading up to today a player with a historical 38% never play another down in the NFL injury occurs to a grossly overweight player whose grossly overweight brother, father, and mother all died young and were obese and his brother and father had diabetes, and his mother died of a stroke followed by a heart attack is ignored as a serious factor here by people who want to laud the player for his past (although let's not mention 2013 (they say it's a small sample size - I say he looked like crap), and give him a big pile of money that we don't have to.

Are all our holes fixed? No. Will they be after the draft? No. Would we better off with the $7.58M in additional cap to direct to areas we need help? That's the actual question. Neither side has had enough data - even this extension isn't proof positive - so what's with the guilt trip?

Pardon us unwashed savage unfeeling low lives for being concerned about VW being able to play at any professional level. Why is that concern inferior to your desire to retain big fat cuddly Vince based on the past? Does anybody want to seriously argue that Vince is NOT past his peak? Or that NT's or run package DT's are cheaper than when this contract was signed?

Nobody outside the medical staff and BB knows if they have an answer about him actually being in shape to play at a high level this year as of today - and if it's good enough. We can intimate that there is some hope, but how much? We'll see.

I'd rather be an unwashed savage unfeeling low life than a person who thinks we "owe" VW a dime beyond the limits of the rules if he can't earn it. VW will get his number retired in Foxobo regardless. He's a great player. Free agency should have washed away the pablum and naive mindset of fans a long time ago.

Go whine somewhere else. Seriously. You're complaining because you aren't hailed as some saviour for your supposed thinking outside the box and because you use less than common words such as pablum.

Do yourself a favor and stop over-reacting to what is being said. Back up your crap with actual fact instead of just throwing numbers out there. Or better yet, look at how many people are coming back from injuries such as the ACL, which used to be the #1 career ender in football and is now something that players regularly come back from better than ever.

You can think that Wilfork looked like crap. That's your opinion, however biased and unfounded and naive it might be. What I saw was a Wilfork who had put on some weight because he couldn't exercise his legs. If you had looked at ANY of the off-season shots that are floating around of him, you'd be able to tell he has since shed that weight and is clearly working on getting into shape.

People are glad to have him back because he is a LEADER on this team. Because, when even 80% healthy, he's better than 90% of the other D-linemen in the league.

No one was saying to throw piles of money at Wilfork. If you had your head anywhere but between your buttcheeks, you'd know that most people DIDN'T want to throw a lot of money at Wilfork. Most wanted him to take an incentive laden deal on an extension.

BTW, I am pretty certain pablum doesn't mean what you think it means.

 

[RayClay]

lol we're doing sort by teammates potential imaginary sacks now. Seems foolproof.

I can only conclude the best DTs in the game are the ones whose teammate DE has the highest number of prorated sacks. SCOUTING MADE SIMPLE.

You couldn't be that clueless, could you?

You're telling me that pressure up the middle doesn't affect an outside pass rusher. Yes or no,

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

top 2 questions.

At what point do you extend for Donald now? If Hageman falls in your lap at 29 do you take him?
.

Donald? HA. In watching him I was sort of reminded of Reggie White. I cannot see how he would last past pick 10 or so. Way out of range for the Patriots unless he punches a cop.

 

[Zeus]

Unless you're expecting Vince to drop dead on the field because of his mother/father/brother, your post makes no sense.

Nicely played. Enjoyable to see someone use a hatpin to deflate the Hindenburg.

 

[RayClay]

You mean Mebane and Bryant who played 50% and 46% of Seattle's defensive snaps this year? Bryant who was released? Sick burn bro

Yeah, those guys. I guess the Superbowl analysis and the devastating pocket collapsing means nothing to an Arena football fan like yourself.

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