Wilfork Restructures Contract (3 Yr 22.5 Mil)

[TyronePoole]

How will we know they will be injured significantly? If I remember Vince and Kelly had no serious injuries for several years before last. Armstead we have no clue on. But to say he will be significantly injured is like the BS people say about gronk injured every year. He played 40+ straight games and missed his first game to injury in 2012.

I don't get why everyone thinks since a player had his first significant injury that now they will forever not play a whole season. I just don't get it.

what kind of odds will you give me that one of Armstead/Kelly/wilfork will miss more than 5 games of the regular season?

 

[jsull87]

This forum really buggs me sometimes. A bunch of great posters, but only on this forum have i seen people look at bringing back a guy who has been the heart and soul of our defense... for a reduced contract, with only 3M garanteed as a negative.

It is his first major injury of his career. People keep throwing around diabetes issues, weight and recovery time issues without one single scerric of insight into how he is going with these issues. It's no better then the media agencies who throw out these rumours. Yes they are risks i dont argue that, but do you not think the pats have the most up to date info on his health?

The pats today just signed back an All Pro NT with very little financial risk (as first reported). We have lowered his cap hit to help the team. If he comes back to old form we have him for a good contract, if he truns out to play at a lesser level... it's basically a 1 year deal.

We even have great posters like Ken (sorry to single you out I respect you as a postser) who are saying good deal but couldn't this have been done earlier? we could have released him then resigned him to this deal, e.t.c 1.) if we realeased him he would be free to sign somewhere else, why take that risk? 2.) Negotiations are a 2 way street. I really think all of this is just nit picking. Do you not think if this could have been done earlier we would have?

This probably turned out a bit more ranty then i'd like. I am just a little disapointed some of the negative reaction to a deal that a.) lowers his cap hit b.) upside is it brings back a potential all pro NT and leader of our d c.) downside is it does it for very little risk and d.) actually extends him in the case his play returns back to the elite level.

 

[patfanken]

I wonder how Borges is going to spin this. After killing the Patriots for basically throwing Wilfork out with the bath water before they even did anything with him, how is going to trash the Pats for coming up with an extension that benefits both sides? Wilfork would play better this season if the Pats just threw money at him?

Oh I got this Rob. Here are some Herald headline options

Headline:

Pats cave in to their aging, injured, obsolete NT!

Kraft forces BB to re-sign Wilfolk. BB reportedly livid.

Wilfolk signing shows cracks developing in the BB/Kraft partnership.

I'll leave the story that follows these headlines to your imagination.

 

[Deus Irae]

This forum really buggs me sometimes. A bunch of great posters, but only on this forum have i seen people look at bringing back a guy who has been the heart and soul of our defense... for a reduced contract, with only 3M garanteed as a negative.

It is his first major injury of his career. People keep throwing around diabetes issues, weight and recovery time issues without one single scerric of insight into how he is going. It's no better then the media agencies who throw out these rumours.

The pats today just signed back an All Pro NT with very little financial risk (as first reported). We have lowered his cap hit to help the team. If he comes back to old form we have him for a good contract, if he truns out to play at a lesser level... it's basically a 1 year deal.

We even have great posters like Ken (sorry to single you out) who are saying good deal but couldn't this have been done earlier? we could have released him then done this, e.t.c 1.) if we realeased him he would be free to sign somewhere else, why take that risk? 2.) Do you not think if this could have been done earlier we would have? Negotiations are a 2 way street. I really think all of this is just nit picking.

This probably turned out a bit more ranty then i'd like. I am just a little disapointed some of the negative reaction to a deal that a.) lowers his cap hit b.) upside is it brings back a potential all pro NT and leader of our d c.) downside is it does it for very little risk and d.) actually extends him in the case his play returns back to the elite level.

/Thread.....

 

[rdf63]

This is good news but doesn't alter the need to add a DT with the first or second round draft choice. Kelly and Wilfork are both 33 coming off season-ending injuries. It's critical to bring in a highly likely replacement for one of these guys. This draft is deep in skill players and defensive backs, so the late first round options should include some solid linemen on both sides of the ball.

Good to have Vince back, and the controversy around his signing out of the picture.

This gives the Pats what they really need is some additional time. The Pats would not have resigned him if they didn't know he could play. It will also not change what the Patriots will do in drafting DE/DL players because if Vince plays a little less than usual, he won't be able to add much to the $3M. We have to look at things realistically as well, nobody knows how good Armstead can actually plays and lets not expect too much from somebody who wasn't played one snap in a regular season NFL game.

Let's also look at the big picture. The Pats need a NT/DT and DT/DE in the draft. Players like Nix, Truitt, Hageman, Jones will fit better into the system playing with Wilfork and Kelly. I wouldn't be surprised to see a DL and OL in the top two rounds this year and they can also use next years draft to pick up another DL stud. I hope the Pats forget about project players and really strengthen the OL and DL because they now have the opportunity.

 

[ausbacker]

That's not true. He's not a significant asset in the pass rush, but he's not a liability. Anyone who commands a double team is, pretty much by definition, an asset in any situation where they're commanding a double team. He won't get many sacks, but if he's anything close to what he was in the past, he will push the pocket and command a double team.

Terrance Knighton proved problematic in the AFC Championship. He's a run stuffer similar to Wilfork. Hopefully, Wilfork can return the favor this time around.

Whichever way it's looked at, extending Wilfork works to the best of both worlds. What is imperative now is to find his replacement and have Wilfork mentor him.

I sincerely hope Wilfork can get back to at least 80% of his best. If that happens, I know opponents won't be running at the A Gaps as they'll be taken care of.

 

[patfanken]

We even have great posters like Ken (sorry to single you out) who are saying good deal but couldn't this have been done earlier? we could have released him then done this, e.t.c 1.) if we realeased him he would be free to sign somewhere else, why take that risk? 2.) Do you not think if this could have been done earlier we would have? Negotiations are a 2 way street. I really think all of this is just nit picking.

Don't worry about singling me out, Jsul. . Nitpicking was exactly what I was doing. Just letting my fertile mind speculating what might have been.

Looking at the deal, it was clear to me that Vince was worth more to the Pats than he'd be to any other team (and rightfully so). I think the Pats slightly over paid for what I expect will be a capable situational run stuffer. I think he he stays healthy and effective for the entire yea in that limited role, he'll probably make another $2-3MM in incentives.

No team is going to pay $5-6MM for a situational run stuffer. No team but the Pats, because for the Pats Vince will add some intangible value that make the extra couple of million worthwhile.

Understand I say this hoping that I am completely wrong and Vince gets his $8MM. Because if he does, that will mean we will have gotten another 2012 type year, and THAT kind of year is worth the $8MM.

 

[Ifleninwasawizard]

Some people here seem to be forgetting that football is a 4 down game. If Vince can stop the run game enough to force a 3rd and 7 instead of 3rd and 3, then he will already be helping in the pass game without even being in critical passing situations.

 

[DaBronxPats14]

Re: REPORT: Vince Wilfork Agrees to Three-Year, $22.5M Extension

Excellent! Didn't think it would happen. Solid on run & pass DEF.

 

[Froob]

Glad to see him back. Good to see Vince still get his money (although we'd all like to save more cap space) but, Vince is a solid dude. If he can't return to form it sure as hell won't be because he wasn't willing to put in the effort.

 

[DaBronxPats14]

We have 3 threads on this can we merge please.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

no, i didn't miss it, it's an irrelevant comment. Either he's a run stuffing nightmare who zomg takes up two blockers or he's a backup/situational nt. I have my theory/worry about which one the pats will use him as and idgaf what random number <80% you think justifies his existence on the team. That's a goal post shift and not at all what i've been talking about.

wooooosssshhhhh!!!!

 

[TyronePoole]

wooooosssshhhhh!!!!

um no actually, good try though.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

um no actually, good try though.

When reason fails to reach you, expect well deserved ridicule.

 

[Danger Zone]

This forum really bugs me sometimes. A bunch of great posters, but only on this forum have i seen people look at bringing back a guy who has been the heart and soul of our defense... for a reduced contract, with only 3M guaranteed as a negative.

This paragraph was very well said and sums up everything I wanted to say -but does so very succinctly.

Thank you.

 

[TyronePoole]

When reason fails to reach you, expect well deserved ridicule.

ok

..............

 

[Froob]

When reason fails to reach you, expect well deserved ridicule.

You're talking to a guy who thinks punting is the downfall of american football coaches.

 

[Joker]

Hey!! what about ME????

where's MY ridicule????

EDIT:....wait!! I GOT it!!!!

Brady6 and his Amendola club versus Ty Poole and his Wilfork whammer...Patsfans-dot-com Deathmatch!!!

first one to 5000 posts wins...

 

[PatsFanInVa]

WOO HOOOOOOO I thought he'd be gone!

*Now* I'm getting excited about this d

 

[PatsFanInVa]

This forum really buggs me sometimes. A bunch of great posters, but only on this forum have i seen people look at bringing back a guy who has been the heart and soul of our defense... for a reduced contract, with only 3M garanteed as a negative.

It is his first major injury of his career. People keep throwing around diabetes issues, weight and recovery time issues without one single scerric of insight into how he is going with these issues. It's no better then the media agencies who throw out these rumours. Yes they are risks i dont argue that, but do you not think the pats have the most up to date info on his health?

The pats today just signed back an All Pro NT with very little financial risk (as first reported). We have lowered his cap hit to help the team. If he comes back to old form we have him for a good contract, if he truns out to play at a lesser level... it's basically a 1 year deal.

We even have great posters like Ken (sorry to single you out I respect you as a postser) who are saying good deal but couldn't this have been done earlier? we could have released him then resigned him to this deal, e.t.c 1.) if we realeased him he would be free to sign somewhere else, why take that risk? 2.) Negotiations are a 2 way street. I really think all of this is just nit picking. Do you not think if this could have been done earlier we would have?

This probably turned out a bit more ranty then i'd like. I am just a little disapointed some of the negative reaction to a deal that a.) lowers his cap hit b.) upside is it brings back a potential all pro NT and leader of our d c.) downside is it does it for very little risk and d.) actually extends him in the case his play returns back to the elite level.

Is a scerric more or less than a scintilla, btw?