BB rips Welker

[FredFromDartmouth]

In a way I don't blame Welker for fighting back, but why take out Talib instead of one of the goons such as Bernard Pollard?

It was in response to Edelman takng out Cromartie but that was in response to Denver trying to beat up Edelman.

 

[FalconHeavy]

some clown in 98.5 sports hub was yapping how BB was classless and yada yada and was kind of cutting off callers who disagreed with him this evening. i listened for all of 5 mins before switching to magic. after 2 hours or so i casually tuned back and lo and behold this ass hat was still going on that topic.

In retrospect BB should have kept it to himself and silently took care of wekler when he is due here next year if it bothered him that much.

just a thought

 

[Uncle Meat]

Accusing Welker of deliberately injuring Talib is baseless, classless, ridiculous...and well, it's just sour grapes.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

I was also ready to dismiss this incident. Yes it was a cheap shot as Welker lowered himself to hit another player who was prone and unaware. If Welker leaves himself upright and actually picks Talib in a way that virtually all picks are done, I could write it off as what should have been a simple penalty. But BB is not a man disposed to exaggeration. Look at his career with the Patriots and an almost inhuman ability to say 'it is what it is' in absolutely every situation. So when he uses these kind of words to describe something? I start giving the incident additional consideration.

Now that I look back at it and consider it more, BB is right, it was an extremely dirty play. If receivers start doing what Welker did, DBs will be getting injured on pick plays often. Fortunately for DBs (and the game IMHO) what you virtually always see are receivers with their bodies largely upright and their picks(block) done accordingly.

If the NFL does nothing about this then they have left the door open with a virtual certainty it will happen more often. However, the NFL has already shown that certain specific things are more important provided it's not a head injury. I very much doubt they will do anything on this one. It will be another team, a less important team, next year that will do what Welker did and get the attention of the NFL. I hope I am wrong about it as taking another player out like this just cannot be allowed........

 

[supafly]

Accusing Welker of deliberately injuring Talib is baseless, classless, ridiculous...and well, it's just sour grapes.

See, that was my first reaction too, but then when you look at again it becomes more than obvious that Welker wasn't even running a route on the play and was seriously just trying to take out Talib.

What we don't know is "how much" he really tried to take him out of the game or injure him, so I don't like jumping to those conclusions. It's quite possible that the idea was to take Talib out, without necessarily having the intent to permanently injure him or make him leave yesterday's game---but just to lay one hell of a dirty block.

I believe that there are 2 possibilities that exist:

1--Belichick doesn't like how DEN uses those plays and is attempting to have the competition committee look at this

2--There is bad blood between Belichick and Welker to begin with and/or he just didn't appreciate the poor sportsmanship shown by Welker and DEN on his best CB yesterday

Of course, the possibility exists that it's a combo of both too. Either way you look at it, I wish Belichick hadn't said anything; but when you compare it with his obvious tendency to always keep his mouth shut, it seems as though it either really pissed him off terribly, or he wants them to review the process in general (or a blend of both)

 

[Uncle Meat]

See, that was my first reaction too, but then when you look at again it becomes more than obvious that Welker wasn't even running a route on the play and was seriously just trying to take out Talib.

What we don't know is "how much" he really tried to take him out of the game or injure him, so I don't like jumping to those conclusions. It's quite possible that the idea was to take Talib out, without necessarily having the intent to permanently injure him or make him leave yesterday's game---but just to lay one hell of a dirty block.

I believe that there are 2 possibilities that exist:

1--Belichick doesn't like how DEN uses those plays and is attempting to have the competition committee look at this

2--There is bad blood between Belichick and Welker to begin with and/or he just didn't appreciate the poor sportsmanship shown by Welker and DEN on his best CB yesterday

Of course, the possibility exists that it's a combo of both too. Either way you look at it, I wish Belichick hadn't said anything; but when you compare it with his obvious tendency to always keep his mouth shut, it seems as though it either really pissed him off terribly, or he wants them to review the process in general (or a blend of both)

If there is bad blood between Belichick and Welker, that could be WHY Belichick said these things in the first place. Are there people that believe that Belichick isn't capable of animosity, whether it's subconscious or not? I mean "one of the worst plays he's ever seen?" C'mon now. That cannot be true. He can be biased as well...

Welker had TWO concussions this year. The guy was just cleared to play again after his SECOND concussion the week previous to this one. He comes back wearing a special helmet to better protect himself from further head injury at this point. He's a small guy.

Considering all that, who in their right mind would ever believe that a deliberate play would be drawn up to send Welker out on a head-hunting mission where he's supposed to intentionally collide with a much bigger person in an attempt to injure him? No, that didn't happen. It was unintentional.

Also, Belichick used "one of those plays" himself in the game...similar anyway.

 

[patsfan-1982]

well at lest we now know why Welker was not re-signed lol

as for the play Welker was trying to take him out of the play as for knocking him out of the game I don't know, I just think it's funny that he went from braking Jerry rice's rec records in new England to 70 rec 4th opt cheap shot blocker with Denver.... as Julian Edelman will tell you its nice playing with Tom Brady

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Accusing Welker of deliberately injuring Talib is baseless, classless, ridiculous...and well, it's just sour grapes.

Well said!! Agree 100%.
The play was at best a borderline penalty for offensive pass interference. Wasn't a cheapshot. Welker didn't lead with his head, he didn't launch himself and he didn't dive at the legs. Talib saw him at the last minute and raised up his arms and they collided. Wasn't even a very violent collision.
This is about Bill Belichick having a red arse over Wes Welker. If that play involved ANY other receiver in the NFL Belichick would not have said a word.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I'm glad Belichick said something, because I felt the same way. I was never a fan of Welker even when he was here. I understand why people admire him as a player, but I've never understood the tendency around here (or anywhere else) to respect him as a person, let alone insist that he's a quality character guy.

 

[JMC00]

Well said!! Agree 100%.
The play was at best a borderline penalty for offensive pass interference. Wasn't a cheapshot. Welker didn't lead with his head, he didn't launch himself and he didn't dive at the legs. Talib saw him at the last minute and raised up his arms and they collided. Wasn't even a very violent collision.
This is about Bill Belichick having a red arse over Wes Welker. If that play involved ANY other receiver in the NFL Belichick would not have said a word.

The play was illegal by NFL rules.

This was a penalty

But not this?

 

[JMC00]

From that angle it's clear Welker wasn't running a route, he was running to deliberately crash into Talib.

He's looking at him the whole time.

Hope they try to do it to the Seahawks and they see it coming a mile away and Cam Chancellor or Earl Thomas drops the boom on him.

I hope one of those guys on Denver's first drive knocks Welker senseless. And don't think they won't do it either.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Stop quoting/using Mike Pereira as a reference for information. He already, long ago, decided to be a hack instead of a solid unbiased reference point for on the field NFL rulings.
The guy has the benefit of watching plays after the fact in 1080p (minimum 720p) freeze frame. Yet he has been, in the past and factually, disproved by everyday posters with the ability to upload vidcap jpegs. He is either a hack, senile, or he is not putting real effort into it. Either way he is not to be referenced as "proof" of anything.

 

[Snake Eyes]

If there is bad blood between Belichick and Welker, that could be WHY Belichick said these things in the first place. Are there people that believe that Belichick isn't capable of animosity, whether it's subconscious or not? I mean "one of the worst plays he's ever seen?" C'mon now. That cannot be true. He can be biased as well...

Welker had TWO concussions this year. The guy was just cleared to play again after his SECOND concussion the week previous to this one. He comes back wearing a special helmet to better protect himself from further head injury at this point. He's a small guy.

Considering all that, who in their right mind would ever believe that a deliberate play would be drawn up to send Welker out on a head-hunting mission where he's supposed to intentionally collide with a much bigger person in an attempt to injure him? No, that didn't happen. It was unintentional.

Also, Belichick used "one of those plays" himself in the game...similar anyway.

Ok, so you're saying that it's not logical for Welker to deliberately try to take out Talib, so he wouldn't have done so because people always act logically?

I can actually think of an example of someone doing something illogical, it happened very recently.

 

[Jackson 2]

If there is bad blood between Belichick and Welker, that could be WHY Belichick said these things in the first place. Are there people that believe that Belichick isn't capable of animosity, whether it's subconscious or not? I mean "one of the worst plays he's ever seen?" C'mon now. That cannot be true. He can be biased as well...

Welker had TWO concussions this year. The guy was just cleared to play again after his SECOND concussion the week previous to this one. He comes back wearing a special helmet to better protect himself from further head injury at this point. He's a small guy.

Considering all that, who in their right mind would ever believe that a deliberate play would be drawn up to send Welker out on a head-hunting mission where he's supposed to intentionally collide with a much bigger person in an attempt to injure him? No, that didn't happen. It was unintentional.

Also, Belichick used "one of those plays" himself in the game...similar anyway.

Hey, Meathead!! Welcome back! How's everything in Bills country these days?

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Stop quoting/using Mike Pereira as a reference for information. He already, long ago, decided to be a hack instead of a solid unbiased reference point for on the field NFL rulings.
The guy has the benefit of watching plays after the fact in 1080p (minimum 720p) freeze frame. Yet he has been, in the past and factually, disproved by everyday posters with the ability to upload vidcap jpegs. He is either a hack, senile, or he is not putting real effort into it. Either way he is not to be referenced as "proof" of anything.

I quote this post in it's entirety without further comment because it is so spot on.

 

[Joker]

heh...Auntie Meatless aka Fulla B. Loney

 

[Sticky Caulk]

The consensuses outside of Patriots land is that Welker didn't mean to hit Talib or that it was a simple pick and Talib is made of glass. Narratives that let these morons continue to live in their own delusional version of the NFL which looks like wrestling instead of football.

I have two questions for all those that believe Welker didn't mean for this result. Watch the video. Tell me where Welker is looking during the entire play. Who does he run straight towards from the snap until the hit? Give us straight answers on those two questions and then try to tell everyone that it wasn't an intentional, dirty hit.

 

[Sticky Caulk]

The consensuses outside of Patriots land is that Welker didn't mean to hit Talib or that it was a simple pick and Talib is made of glass. Narratives that let these morons continue to live in their own delusional version of the NFL which looks like wrestling instead of football.

I have two questions for all those that believe Welker didn't mean for this result. Watch the video. Tell me where Welker is looking during the entire play? Who does he run straight towards from the snap until the hit? Give us straight answers on those two questions and then try to tell everyone that it wasn't an intentional, dirty hit.

 

[supafly]

The play was illegal by NFL rules.

This was a penalty

But not this?

Now, why aren't you the one asking Mike Periera about these 2 plays?

Seriously---I'd love to hear that explanation.

 

[NENGFAN]

Wish BB was this vocal when Spygate came out....

I actually like the fact that BB is very open about his feelings on the Welker hit on Talib but he remained mum when all the Spygate fracas was going on. I am sure he would react differently if he had to do it again.