Brady vs Manning

[Ring 6]

Can't believe Sunday night will mark the 14th time these 2 legends will square off against each other. Couple questions I want to ask?

Where does this rivalry stand with you? I missed out on the Bird Vs Magic rivalry how does this one compare? What was your favorite game in the rivalry? Where do both rank in the discussion of Goat Qb?

Aside from one season (2006) it has been reminiscent of the rivalry between a hammer and a nail.

 

[Ring 6]

Also hilarious how that idiot barnwell listed the QBs Brady's beaten. Ya well Manning's only SB win was against Rex Grossman.

Oh and btw Manning also lost to Sanchez at home.

So did Brady by the way

 

[JMC00]

I don't think you are right about this one. I'm not 100% sure if it was 4 or 5 games, but that's how many times he gave his team a lead within the last 2 minutes of a playoff game, just to see it from the sidelines as his defense coughs it up.

1999- Only scored 16. Defense held Tennessee to 19

2000- Only scored 17. Defense held Miami to 17 points through 4 quarters. Lost in OT.

2002- Was shutout. Jets put up 41 points.

2003- Only scored 14 points. Defense held NE to 22 points.

2004- Only scored 3 points. Defense held NE to 20 points

2005- Only scored 18 points. Defense held Pitt to 21 points. Indy was actually held to 3 points the first 3 quarters.

2007- Scored 24 points. Lost 28-24. Although Manning got 2 drives after SD took the lead with 5 minutes to go and couldn't score.

2008- Only scored 17 points. Defense held SD to 17 points through 4 quarters. Lost in OT.

2009- Only scored 17 points. Defense had held NO to 24 point and Colts were in NO territory and then Manning threw that game sealing pick-6.

2010- Only scored 16 points. Defense had held Jets to 14 points. And I don't want to hear "well the kickoff coverage and defense was the reason Jets scored the FG". Brady doesn't get that benefit when people want to talk about his playoff losses.

Also it's funny how that hack barnwell says how Brady lost to Sanchez in the playoffs. Guess he forgot that Sanchez did the same thing to Manning a week before. What a complete hack Patriot hater.

2012- Ya defense gave up that game tying TD. But let's remember Holliday had two returned TDs, while Manning also spotted Baltimore 7 points. Also remember that Denver's defense stopped Baltimore twice in that OT and Manning did nothing on the 1st drive and on the 2nd one they got into Baltimore territory and he threw the INT.



What's that? 1 or 2 losses that maybe argued because of the defense? The 41 points the Jets put up didn't matter, because they could have scored 3 points and Manning and the Colts would have lost that game.

So looks like you are wrong on this one.

Also hack barnwell wants to compile a list of who Brady has beaten or lost to in the playoffs to knock him, well here's Manning's list.

Beat
Jake Plummer x2
Trent Green x2
Steve McNair
Rex Grossman
Joe Flacco
Mark Sanchez (rookie year)

wow Manning beat Flacco and a rookie Mark Sanchez coming off a 1st round bye to get to his 2nd SB in '09. Very impressive. Not.


Lost to
Jay Fiedler
Chad Pennington
Ben Roethlisberger
Philip Rivers x2
Steve McNair
Mark Sanchez
Joe Flacco
Drew Brees

Oh and look at that Manning also has lost to Flacco and Sanchez in the playoffs.

hack hackwell really drinking the Patriots haterade

 

[JMC00]

So did Brady by the way

Swing and a miss.

Clearly you missed all the context of my post.

barnwell made a point of how Brady was beaten by Sanchez at home. Manning lost to Sanchez at home just the week before.

Hence why I posted "Oh and btw Manning also lost to Sanchez at home."

 

[Fixit]

Not Barnwell's best piece. The concept of Brady and Manning switching was lost on me, as Manning is still guilty of everything he's putting on Brady.

You know, unless Manning all of a sudden became a clutch playoff performer throwing to nobodies and I missed it.

He also didn't mention that Brady was the league's first unanimous MVP after he lost Moss and was throwing to Welker, Deion Branch, and two rookie TE.

 

[stevedogc]

Tuning In: Pundits pick Peyton Manning over Tom Brady as must-have quarterback - Worcester Telegram & Gazette - telegram.com

Has anyone else read this crap? My opinion of Rodney Harrison has completely changed. He is either has something against Brady or is just a complete moron. I have absolutely no problem if someone thinks Mannng is better then Brady. Everyone if entitled to one and hey, Manning is a great QB. But look at what Harrison has to say about it.


"I think Peyton has been so unfairly judged," Harrison explained, "because he didn't really have that great defense over the years like Tom. Tom had a lot of veteran players, a lot of really good defenses where if he didn't play particularly well, he knew that he had a defense with a lot of veteran players that could save him, whereas Peyton really didn't have that advantage. If Peyton was on our team, I think we could have easily won three Super Bowls, no doubt about it."

Manning went to the playoffs 10 times with the Colts. In 5 of those he had a defense ranked in the top 8 overall for that particular season, including a 2nd and 1st overall. So 50% of the time Manning had a good to great defense.

And look at Mannings lone SB victory. We all know how he played. 3 tds, 7 ints and a 70 rating. And then look at how the Colts defense played in those playoffs. 12.75 ppg and 12 takeaways. Does Manning win a SB if his defense does not play that good?

And maybe Rodney forgets about 2003. Maybe Rodney can explain to us how HE (and the other veterens defensive players) "saved" him when they let up 19 4th qtr points to Jake Delhomne and the Panthers in SB 38. It was more like Brady saved his defense by leading the offense to 18 4th qtr points.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Has anyone else read this crap? My opinion of Rodney Harrison has completely changed. He is either has something against Brady or is just a complete moron. I have absolutely no problem if someone thinks Mannng is better then Brady. Everyone if entitled to one and hey, Manning is a great QB. But look at what Harrison has to say about it.


"I think Peyton has been so unfairly judged," Harrison explained, "because he didn't really have that great defense over the years like Tom. Tom had a lot of veteran players, a lot of really good defenses where if he didn't play particularly well, he knew that he had a defense with a lot of veteran players that could save him, whereas Peyton really didn't have that advantage. If Peyton was on our team, I think we could have easily won three Super Bowls, no doubt about it."

Manning went to the playoffs 10 times with the Colts. In 5 of those he had a defense ranked in the top 8 overall for that particular season, including a 2nd and 1st overall. So 50% of the time Manning had a good to great defense.

And look at Mannings lone SB victory. We all know how he played. 3 tds, 7 ints and a 70 rating. And then look at how the Colts defense played in those playoffs. 12.75 ppg and 12 takeaways. Does Manning win a SB if his defense does not play that good?

And maybe Rodney forgets about 2003. Maybe Rodney can explain to us how HE (and the other veterens defensive players) "saved" him when they let up 19 4th qtr points to Jake Delhomne and the Panthers in SB 38. It was more like Brady saved his defense by leading the offense to 18 4th qtr points.

I loved Rodney as a player, but as a commentator he's basically just stupid and offers no insight. Same with Troy Brown, which is why I've learned to separate the player from the media personality post-retirement. Guys like Bruschi are rare - most NFL players are pretty dumb, have no real insight to offer, and are basically just going to say whatever they're told to say.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I guess barnwell doesn't know how nfl scheduling works




Hey hack idiot that's because they both play for AFC teams and those teams win their division's every year. Division winners in the same conference always play each other the next year.

If you've listened to Barnwell's podcast on Grantland, he's a diehard Giants fan who has admitted that he hates the Patriots. So there's really no surprise there. When asked if he had any friends who were Patriots fans, he said something to the effect of "of course not, why would I?" Which was a little odd, since his last two bosses (Schatz at FO, then Simmons at Grantland) are both Pats fans.

Take him for what he is: a statistics guy whose ability to analyze outside of the numbers is borderline nonexistent. He's a good read when discussing strategy based on probability, win expectancy, etc. He's useless at everything outside of that.

 

[SVN]

Has anyone else read this crap? My opinion of Rodney Harrison has completely changed. He is either has something against Brady or is just a complete moron. I have absolutely no problem if someone thinks Mannng is better then Brady. Everyone if entitled to one and hey, Manning is a great QB. But look at what Harrison has to say about it.


"I think Peyton has been so unfairly judged," Harrison explained, "because he didn't really have that great defense over the years like Tom. Tom had a lot of veteran players, a lot of really good defenses where if he didn't play particularly well, he knew that he had a defense with a lot of veteran players that could save him, whereas Peyton really didn't have that advantage. If Peyton was on our team, I think we could have easily won three Super Bowls, no doubt about it."

Manning went to the playoffs 10 times with the Colts. In 5 of those he had a defense ranked in the top 8 overall for that particular season, including a 2nd and 1st overall. So 50% of the time Manning had a good to great defense.

And look at Mannings lone SB victory. We all know how he played. 3 tds, 7 ints and a 70 rating. And then look at how the Colts defense played in those playoffs. 12.75 ppg and 12 takeaways. Does Manning win a SB if his defense does not play that good?

And maybe Rodney forgets about 2003. Maybe Rodney can explain to us how HE (and the other veterens defensive players) "saved" him when they let up 19 4th qtr points to Jake Delhomne and the Panthers in SB 38. It was more like Brady saved his defense by leading the offense to 18 4th qtr points.

you can tweet him the SB 38 bit and see.

 

[Kontradiction]

Why does Brady always get hurt for having a defense? It's not like Indy's were complete garbage. Hell all we heard last year is how great the Denver defense was. But what happened? In the big moment Manning pee'd on himself again.

If Manning is as great as everyone says he is, shouldn't he be able to overcome an average defense? I mean he is so great according everyone in the sports media that talks about him.

He's been doing it this year. Denver defense is #23 overall (#28 pass) and #24 in points.

Also the majority of his one and done's and playoff loses are not because of the defense, they are because of him.

That's because Manning isn't as great as everyone says he is. Brady in 2011 took what was at the time the second worst pass defense in NFL history, in a pass-first league, to the Super Bowl game and his consecutive completions record almost helped them win it until Welker dropped the ball and defense **** the bed... again. Manning needed his defense to become elite to carry him through the playoffs on the way to his lone victory.

 

[JMC00]

you can tweet him the SB 38 bit and see.

Also tweet him and ask why he couldn't out muscle a jag WR for a ball that was pinned to his helmet.

 

[Deus Irae]

Manning: top 9-15 QB of all time

Brady: Top 1-5 QB of all time



They're two greats, but they don't really even belong being compared. Brady's up with Montana/Starr/Baugh/Graham. Manning's about two full steps down on the laddder, in a group with guys like Marino/Bradshaw/Elway/Favre.

 

[SalemPats]

In all seriousness I got Brady 1 Manning 2 Montana 3 in all-time rankings. 8-9 years ago I hated Manning. Now I just enjoy watching him play (along with Brees and Rodgers). They are incredibly high football IQ. Manning has a quicker release, Brady is more patient in the pocket. Brady's movement in the pocket and patience to let a play develop in my opinion makes him better against good teams.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

In all seriousness I got Brady 1 Manning 2 Montana 3 in all-time rankings. 8-9 years ago I hated Manning. Now I just enjoy watching him play (along with Brees and Rodgers). They are incredibly high football IQ. Manning has a quicker release, Brady is more patient in the pocket. Brady's movement in the pocket and patience to let a play develop in my opinion makes him better against good teams.

I am throwing out all of your rankings. Manning above Montana? Ok :bricks:

 

[SalemPats]

I am throwing out all of your rankings. Manning above Montana? Ok :bricks:

I got Brady at 1. I just believe that Manning's impact on a game is more than Montana. I believe right now is the golden age of QBs with Brady, Manning, Rodgers and Brees. These are 4 of the top 10 QBs of all time. They are shattering what anyone else did and are so freakin consistent. If those 4 are playing it's must see tv.

 

[Froob]

That's because Manning isn't as great as everyone says he is. Brady in 2011 took what was at the time the second worst pass defense in NFL history, in a pass-first league, to the Super Bowl game and his consecutive completions record almost helped them win it until Welker dropped the ball and defense **** the bed... again. Manning needed his defense to become elite to carry him through the playoffs on the way to his lone victory.

Not to mention some very shady calls. "faceguarding" how does a ref working a playoff game not know the rule book?

 

[patsinthesnow]

Manning's WR duos:

2001-2008: Harrison/Wayne
2009-2010: Wayne/Garcon
2012-2013: Thomas/Decker

It's amazing/complete BS Manning has never had to deal with even just good WRs. All 6 of those guys have been top 20 WRs at some point. Garcon is a stud (when healthy) with the Redskins, and Wayne has been a stud with Luck. Manning made none of these weapons who they are.

Not once did Peyton have to deal with a Reche Caldwell, Aaron Dobson/Kenbrell Thompkins, or an old Deion Branch in the starting lineup.

And yet, Brady's average regular season stats are nearly identical and can be argued are better than Manning's stats.
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The point? The whole "Manning is a better regular season QB" is a myth. When you factor in stats, win percentage, and what each had to work with, Brady's the better regular season and obviously post season QB.

 

[Ring 6]

In all seriousness I got Brady 1 Manning 2 Montana 3 in all-time rankings. 8-9 years ago I hated Manning. Now I just enjoy watching him play (along with Brees and Rodgers). They are incredibly high football IQ. Manning has a quicker release, Brady is more patient in the pocket. Brady's movement in the pocket and patience to let a play develop in my opinion makes him better against good teams.

Putting one ring Manning ahead of 4 ring Montana either means you are under 25 or drank a lot today.

 

[Ring 6]

Swing and a miss.

Clearly you missed all the context of my post.

barnwell made a point of how Brady was beaten by Sanchez at home. Manning lost to Sanchez at home just the week before.

Hence why I posted "Oh and btw Manning also lost to Sanchez at home."

Gotcha, my bad, which is because I would have no interest in actually reading that article.

 

[SalemPats]

Putting one ring Manning ahead of 4 ring Montana either means you are under 25 or drank a lot today.

Brady is the greatest because he is incredibly intelligent and so patient in the pocket that he's so tough to stop.

Manning is incredible in his own right, quick release (he never gets sacked), great line adjustments. If you take out Brady, Manning wins 3 or 4 SBs, unfortunately for him Brady is there. If Montana played for the Colts, he would only have 1 SB because Brady is there.