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LOL, is this OP seriously this dense? This is an age-old football cliche, that just needs to die already.

When a team is protecting a lead in the 4th Q; what do they do? They run the ball! Why? Because they want to run out the clock. That's why you'll see more rushing attempts in wins. This is so painfully obvious. A key example of how correlation does not equal causation. /derp

You should really go back and look at Ridley’s splits before referring to anyone as dense because your ignorance of this situation is apparent.

2012 yards by quarter:

Q1 – 327
Q2 – 186
Q3 – 470
Q4 – 280

2013 yards by quarter:

Q1 – 121
Q2 – 103
Q3 – 65
Q4 – 31

The 4TH quarter and 2ND quarter are actually where Ridley gains the least of his yards, this year he has gain the most yards in the 1ST quarter and last season he gained the most in the 3RD quarter, ironically this season are worst offensive quarter is the 3RD. Now call me crazy but maybe but maybe if Stevan Ridley the player who ran for 470 yards and 5.1 YPC last season during the 3RD quarter had received more than 18 carries in the 3RD over the first 7 games of the season we may have scored more than 9 points total in 3RD quarters this season.

The dense comment must feel pretty stupid right about now huh? Before you roll up on your high horse throwing out insults you should probably make sure you actually know WTF you’re talking about – some free advice my not so dense friend.
 
Oh yes you can.

As for your example, if you would like to cheer for a team led Pete Carroll, go ahead. Been there. don't want to do it again.

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Oh well Brady has 2 fumbles this season, should we bench him? Do you job right??
 
What stats? Ridley puts up big numbers in garbage time trying to run out the clock. He carries the ball 20+ times BECAUSE the Patriots win, not the other way around.

2012 yards by quarter:

Q1 – 327
Q2 – 186
Q3 – 470
Q4 – 280

2013 yards by quarter:

Q1 – 121
Q2 – 103
Q3 – 65
Q4 – 31


It’s always a good idea to look things up before you insert your foot in your mouth, I personally use Google others use Bing, etc.
 
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Look at the first gronk play. He is triple covered and thompkins is open. Iam sure this JMcD too. Everything is JMcD. Pats have an easy fix to this offense ,only the OC is the issue.

So you’re happy with McDaniels as an offensive coordinator? You think his decision to use players like Blount and Bolden in place of Ridley makes sense and the decision puts the team in the best situation to score points and win football games?
 
I don't think Brady6 likes having Josh McDaniels as the Patriots OC.

I don’t think he is a good coach, I think he is an arrogant **** who rides Brady’s coattails, but I could deal with him being here if I didn’t have to watch Blount dance around like an idiot behind the line of scrimmage.

The guy has an issue, he arrived in Denver and traded the franchise QB and WR within his first season, then he came back here and Welker was outie. That to me looks like a guy who can’t handle another ego in the room, add to that the fact without Brady he has been pathetic, really pathetic in fact and I can’t really see a reason why people think highly of him. What this team did in 2007 was not because of Josh McDaniels, it was because of Tom Brady.
 
So you’re happy with McDaniels as an offensive coordinator? You think his decision to use players like Blount and Bolden in place of Ridley makes sense and the decision puts the team in the best situation to score points and win football games?

Yes Iam happy. Once again , your arguments as the "me first McDaniels is same as valentine for the sox last yr " are frankly just embarrassing attempts to start every 3rd thread to bash the OC. The whole team is responsible for this. Iam sure you will find some obscure information about how MCDaniels lobbied BB to get get blount on the team and have him in the back field . Ridley has also been nicked up.Missed a week of practice. You think maybe that is another reason ? No one here claims McDaniels is perfect. But your theory that all issues and everything is McDaniels is just embarrassing.
And once again for the 100th time, everything which goes out on the field goes through BB. He can step in and say if he thinks something is stupid. (Of course now you will counter with how BB gives autonomy to his coaches..so once again its McDaniels). Its just hilarious how you let the players who mess up with drops, missed blocks, terrible execution on the field off the hook entirely and make it a trivial fix as the OC.

Bracing for a long post with some obscure meaningless stats comparing O'Brien,Weiss and everyone else...
 
Corey Dillion played two seasons with McDaniels calling the plays.

As far as Ridley fumbling it happens to all running backs, Lynch led the NFL in fumbles last season you can't just bench a guy for making a mistake especially when you're struggling to score touchdowns and struggling to get first downs, and the player you're benching finished third in the NFL in rushing touchdowns and rushing first downs last season. That is idiotic and every time I see Ridley on the sidelines for a player like Blount or Bolden my despair for McDaniels grows.

Yes. What version of Corey Dillon? Healthy or no? I am aware he played. He also retired about that time. It was not the 2004 Dillon, if you watched the games.

As far as that being idiotic, why have the Patriots been so good over the years? They win the turnover battle. Now you apparently are smarter than BB, because he thinks that particular concern is important. That is why you are typing your thoughts, not coaching.

And as for Lynch, how good was the Hawks defense to offset those mistakes? Elite. When the defense is not quite elite, like the Pats, what happens when you turn the ball over in close games? You become the Cowboys - a .500 or sub-.500 team. If there is a concern with an RB's ball control, and surprisingly coaches watch these issues for more than the 60 minutes you see played on television, then it is idiotic to roll the dice with the game on the line. That is how a decent team becomes a lousy team, fast.
 
The guy has an issue, he arrived in Denver and traded the franchise QB.

Did you read the link to the Denver article I gave you that explained this issue - ie., Cutler wanted out the moment McDaniels became the head coach of the Broncos, or do you just ignore the articles that contradict your beliefs? Denver generally hates McDaniels, and a Denver author, who obviously does not like McDaniels based on the tone of that article, explains that Cutler had issues with the ownership, not McDaniels, simply because McDaniels was hired.
 
Yes Iam happy. Once again , your arguments as the "me first McDaniels is same as valentine for the sox last yr " are frankly just embarrassing attempts to start every 3rd thread to bash the OC. The whole team is responsible for this. Iam sure you will find some obscure information about how MCDaniels lobbied BB to get get blount on the team and have him in the back field . Ridley has also been nicked up.Missed a week of practice. You think maybe that is another reason ? No one here claims McDaniels is perfect. But your theory that all issues and everything is McDaniels is just embarrassing.
And once again for the 100th time, everything which goes out on the field goes through BB. He can step in and say if he thinks something is stupid. (Of course now you will counter with how BB gives autonomy to his coaches..so once again its McDaniels). Its just hilarious how you let the players who mess up with drops, missed blocks, terrible execution on the field off the hook entirely and make it a trivial fix as the OC.

Bracing for a long post with some obscure meaningless stats comparing O'Brien,Weiss and everyone else...

No long post, I think he is a lousy coordinator and I hold him accountable for the personnel decisions on offense, I personally don’t believe it is humanly possible for Belichick to do the things you think he is doing “everything on the field”. If you like McDaniels so be it.

I still disagree with Ridley seeing so few attempts especially when you consider Ridley has been extremely effective in the 1ST quarter this season, he has gained more yards in the 1ST than any other quarter with 121 and he is averaging 6.4 yards per carry during the first quarter. Would make sense to me if they kept Ridley involved, maybe you disagree here too.
 
No long post, I think he is a lousy coordinator and I hold him accountable for the personnel decisions on offense, I personally don’t believe it is humanly possible for Belichick to do the things you think he is doing “everything on the field”. If you like McDaniels so be it.

I still disagree with Ridley seeing so few attempts especially when you consider Ridley has been extremely effective in the 1ST quarter this season, he has gained more yards in the 1ST than any other quarter with 121 and he is averaging 6.4 yards per carry during the first quarter. Would make sense to me if they kept Ridley involved, maybe you disagree here too.

No point continuing any further.
 
Did you read the link to the Denver article I gave you that explained this issue - ie., Cutler wanted out the moment McDaniels became the head coach of the Broncos, or do you just ignore the articles that contradict your beliefs? Denver generally hates McDaniels, and a Denver author, who obviously does not like McDaniels based on the tone of that article, explains that Cutler had issues with the ownership, not McDaniels, simply because McDaniels was hired.

I did read it and listen I don’t disagree that Cutler is a twit but McDaniels also had issues with Marshall, I mean seriously this is a coach who got ripped and called a punk by his punter.

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The guy has issues, maybe they weren’t there in his first go around and the hype of 2007 and being such a young head coach went to his head, either way there is a lot of issues reported about him.
 
No point continuing any further.

You really think he doesn’t determine who plays when? You think Belichick is sitting on the sidelines instructing players in and out of the game? Really??
 
Did you read the link to the Denver article I gave you that explained this issue - ie., Cutler wanted out the moment McDaniels became the head coach of the Broncos, or do you just ignore the articles that contradict your beliefs? Denver generally hates McDaniels, and a Denver author, who obviously does not like McDaniels based on the tone of that article, explains that Cutler had issues with the ownership, not McDaniels, simply because McDaniels was hired.

For what its worth though, despite you and I disagreeing on some things particularly of late I do hold you in very high regard as a poster and appreciate and respect your respectful and informative response.
 
I did read it and listen I don’t disagree that Cutler is a twit but McDaniels also had issues with Marshall, I mean seriously this is a coach who got ripped and called a punk by his punter.

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The guy has issues, maybe they weren’t there in his first go around and the hype of 2007 and being such a young head coach went to his head, either way there is a lot of issues reported about him.

Nobody here contends he is a great head coach. He is an OC with the Pats, and maybe always will be. The punter (AKA idiot kicker) indicates McDaniels was hurtful by throwing Marshall under the bus in meetings (not publicly)? BB throws players under the bus every week in meetings. It is well documented, and players hate the Monday film sessions for that reason, but respect BB and his observations. As a young head coach, you do not walk in flashing 3 decades of experience and rings galore. You likely need to temper that approach, and I suspect McDaniels did not (I expect Mangini suffered from similar issues).

His reported issues, to my knowledge, are of Denver (I have heard nothing from the Rams). He replaced a likely Hall of Fame coach. not necessarily a popular decision, and walked into some tough issues. BB faced similar issues in Cleveland with Kozar, and he was viewed, until fairly recently, as a failure there. It happens. Ultimately, it was established that BB was no failure. And as BB is no failure, you appear to forget that BB immediately snapped McDaniels up in time for the 2011 Super Bowl (to adjust your stats, that would be 0-2, not 0-1 in Super Bowls as he was here for the playoffs in 2011). Why would BB want McDaniels on the team at a critical point in the season if he was so inept?

But your complaints are directed to McDaniels as an OC, and that head coaching stint had nothing to do with his role as OC (he actually had an OC in Denver). If you believe he should have made the offense hum as head coach, then why would that be any different with BB as head coach of McDaniels? If you have issues with him fighting with players as OC, I would love to hear some story detailing those disputes as I have never heard of any. The only clash I have heard detailed recently with an OC is Moss and O'Brien.
 
Let's just clarify this, Tom Brady goes to the Super Bowl more than 50% of the seasons without McDaniels, has won all 3 of his Super Bowls without McDaniels, has a higher winning percentage and has better stats without McDaniels, I'm losing my mind though.... OK

:confused:

According to Pro-football-reference.com, Tom Brady's been the team's starting QB for 12 seasons.

Tom Brady is 45-10 with McDaniels as his O.C., not counting the win in 2008 (which is credited to him as the starter, not to Cassel).

12-4 (2006)
16-0 (2007)
12-4 (2012)
5-2 (3013)

That's an 82% winning percentage.

That means that he's 95-31 without McDaniels as the O.C.(again, not counting the 2008 win). That's a 75% winning percentage.

Even if you toss 2005 into the McDaniels column (even though he wasn't officially the O.C., that's a 10-6 season, meaning his totals would change to 55-16 (.7746), and the Non-McDaniels would then become 85-25 (.7727). Again, this is without crediting him with the 2008 win.


In other words, Brady's winning percentage is higher with McDaniels as the O.C. than without him.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm

The Super Bowl thing is just a load of crap, but you surely already know that.
 
LOL, is this OP seriously this dense? This is an age-old football cliche, that just needs to die already.

When a team is protecting a lead in the 4th Q; what do they do? They run the ball! Why? Because they want to run out the clock. That's why you'll see more rushing attempts in wins. This is so painfully obvious. A key example of how correlation does not equal causation. /derp

You should really go back and look at Ridley’s splits before referring to anyone as dense because your ignorance of this situation is apparent.

2012 yards by quarter:

Q1 – 327
Q2 – 186
Q3 – 470
Q4 – 280

2013 yards by quarter:

Q1 – 121
Q2 – 103
Q3 – 65
Q4 – 31

The 4TH quarter and 2ND quarter are actually where Ridley gains the least of his yards, this year he has gain the most yards in the 1ST quarter and last season he gained the most in the 3RD quarter, ironically this season are worst offensive quarter is the 3RD. Now call me crazy but maybe but maybe if Stevan Ridley the player who ran for 470 yards and 5.1 YPC last season during the 3RD quarter had received more than 18 carries in the 3RD over the first 7 games of the season we may have scored more than 9 points total in 3RD quarters this season.

The dense comment must feel pretty stupid right about now huh? Before you roll up on your high horse throwing out insults you should probably make sure you actually know WTF you’re talking about – some free advice my not so dense friend.

...and it turns out you really are this dense; because your attempt at a counter-point does absolutely nothing to address the issues that I brought up in the first place.

Let's recap: You cited Ridley's games w/ 20+ rush attempts in their correlation to wins. Ok. But I (and a few others) already told you that rushing attempts will go up because the winning team will want to run out the clock. Likewise, a team that is losing will most often keep throwing. A pretty simple point.

Now do me a favor and go re-read your counter-argument, what I just, quoted above. You posted the rushing yards-per-quarter in an attempt to refute...uh...what, exactly? I mean, what does Ridley's yards-per-quarter have to do with your "20+rush-attempts" argument, or the criticism made against it? I really have to take a step back and wonder how to connect-the-dots here, because it sounds like you have no clue as to what is being discussed. Have you done anything to even address, let alone refute, my aforementioned argument? No. In fact I have to wonder if you even grasped the argument in the first place, because randomly going from citing winning games with 20+ rush attempts to a breakdown of rushing yards-per-quarter really does nothing to support your own argument, let alone refute mine.

I mean, the best I can infer -- and I have to take a few leaps in logic, here -- is that you trying to infer that The Patriots don't run the ball that much in the 4th with a lead, or something. Well, If so?


A) You've randomly switched from rush attempts to rush yards, so your point (whatever it may be) is moot.
B) The yards-per-Q stats do not make any distinction between winning games and losing games; so again, your point (er, what?) is moot.
C) Even if we ignore the above; The simple fact that a winning team will try to run out the clock in the 4th does not mean that they will have more rush attempts (let alone yards) in the 4th than in any other quarter, or their stats are artificially inflated, or whatever. All it means is that they'll tack on some extra rushes that probably wouldn't have happened if they were losing. That's an easy way to go up from a number of rushing attempts in the mid-to-late teens, to going into the twenties. Something that probably wouldn't have happened if they were losing in the 4th, and thus still throwing in the last minute to regain a lead. That's why 20+ rushes correlate to wins.

So yeah, you've done very little to support your own argument. Hell, you really haven't even stayed on topic. But hey? Look on the bright-side, you've totally supported my point about how dense you are. Congrats!
 
So you've said, granted you offered zero justification which is widely considered to the stupidest way to make any statement.

There are so many circumstances to invalidate your thesis statement. One such (obvious) circumstance is running the ball to eat up clock with a large lead in the second half.

Your conjecture is lazy and reminiscent of many Boston-area mediots and ESPN First Take debates. It is willful disregard of relevant facts; it is careless extrapolation.

I would contend that making illegitimate conclusions is 'more stupid' than offering no justification to debunk a baseless argument.

I can't believe this thread reached 7 pages. Holy crap...
 
Re: Re: Patriots 7–0 when Ridley carries 20+ times since the start of 12'

:confused:

According to Pro-football-reference.com, Tom Brady's been the team's starting QB for 12 seasons.

Tom Brady is 45-10 with McDaniels as his O.C., not counting the win in 2008 (which is credited to him as the starter, not to Cassel).

12-4 (2006)
16-0 (2007)
12-4 (2012)
5-2 (3013)

That's an 82% winning percentage.

That means that he's 95-31 without McDaniels as the O.C.(again, not counting the 2008 win). That's a 75% winning percentage.

Even if you toss 2005 into the McDaniels column (even though he wasn't officially the O.C., that's a 10-6 season, meaning his totals would change to 55-16 (.7746), and the Non-McDaniels would then become 85-25 (.7727). Again, this is without crediting him with the 2008 win.


In other words, Brady's winning percentage is higher with McDaniels as the O.C. than without him.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm

The Super Bowl thing is just a load of crap, but you surely already know that.

The win percentage I provided included the playoffs not just the regular season. Those games matter most of all. If you include those games you will see my stats are offered are 100% accurate.

The super bowl thing is not a load of crap at all, and saying that is a failure on so many levels.
 
Re: Re: Patriots 7–0 when Ridley carries 20+ times since the start of 12'

There are so many circumstances to invalidate your thesis statement. One such (obvious) circumstance is running the ball to eat up clock with a large lead in the second half.

Your conjecture is lazy and reminiscent of many Boston-area mediots and ESPN First Take debates. It is willful disregard of relevant facts; it is careless extrapolation.

I would contend that making illegitimate conclusions is 'more stupid' than offering no justification to debunk a baseless argument.

I can't believe this thread reached 7 pages. Holy crap...

Good job, you managed to provid nothing to support your bold assertions. Unless you have something tangible, intangible or otherwise to support your 2 posts all you've done is make a failed attempt to perceive that you're knowledgeable.
 
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