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So I will take that as yes you did say that and yes you are now embarrassed by it?
Someone asked who made a comment, and I remembered it was you. You seem to want to find fault in me for that. Deflect much?

I'll tell you what - why don't you go through the whole thread and find the post, the date and the time that I posted this.

Bye....Good luck with your search.
 
To make this happen, the prosecutors would have had to make a pretty strong showing -- there are mainly two avenues: (1) that without secrecy an ongoing investigation will be compromised, or (2) something has happened or will happen that will poison the potential jury pool. Number 2 seems unlikely.

I wouldn't be surprised if a media outlet were to challenge this ruling by appealing it. That's usually how these play out.

I know you said it is unlikely but wouldn't #2 be exactly for a situation like this where the media is spewing all sorts of rumor and false statements? I would wager that most people that would compose a jury pool that are only hearing the snippets on TV probably think he has been arrested for murder. With such a high profile case I would think this would be exactly why #2 becomes relevant. No?
 
I'll tell you what - why don't you go through the whole thread and find the post, the date and the time that I posted this.

Bye....Good luck with your search.

So you are denying it?
 
Did you or did you not say anyone who didn't believe he was going to be arrested on Friday was an idiot?
Very simple. That was my post, no need for all the rhetoric above. Did you say it?

Did I or did I not say that "anyone who didn't 'believe" he was going to be arrested on Friday was an 'idiot'?

The answer is nope:

Post# 1216: Just for the record - I read what some of you guys have said about Steve Balestrieri. Not cool. He was reporting an update from what was reported by WBZ-TV.

Don't blame Steve that WBZ was unable to confirm that the arrest warrant was only prepared and not issued because Aaron, frankly, was not available or located in order to have the warrant issued.

Does anyone not think that Aaron's attorney is working on those arrangements right now because the warrant has been prepared.

And if the report is accurate and correct that he is being charged with Obstruction, then the only thing that I have to say about that is I told you so.

I wish this was not happening because Aaron was entrusted by the Kraft family and BB to be one of the guys that was the face of this franchise and the Myra Kraft Foundation with his charitable contributions and is suppose to be a vital cog of this offense.

However, I am not a pom-pom fan like some of you. I chose to deal in reality and the reality is what it is. Hernandez is involved in some way, shape or form and you pom poms better hope that the obstruction charge is MSP's way of getting him to cooperate rather than seeking a direct charge of Murder in the 1st or 2nd Degree.

Post 1230: Obstruction of Justice through the spoliation of evidence can be a top count charge based on the crime which in this case would be a 1st Degree Murder charge because he acted as an accessory.

Post 1238: The arrest warrant has to be personally served to the defendant. Anything else?

Post 1241: Whatever you say moron (edit note: That would be you). I advised you to not contact me or respond to me. I would advise that you do so.

Post 1273: Thanks jb - and again for the record, I really wish this was not happening and among the statements that I have made included what was going to be found on the video surveillance at his house.

When it was reported and verified by two media organizations each independently working their sources connected to this investigation that his video surveillance hard drive was damaged then that was it for me because Hernandez impeded the law enforcement investigation and that is something that you do not do if you are innocent and for those that don't have enough common sense to know that should find the bleacher seats because that is where the belong.

If there is one thing that I cannot stand it is those that have been on this thread for four days acting like a bunch of pom poms thinking that Hernandez has done nothing wrong.

Wake and smell the ******* coffee pom poms.


Post 1301: Oh really - so the reports that Hernandez was seen on video surveillance Monday morning must mean that the video surveillance was not in working order?

Ok Pom Pom....You live in dream land.

Post 1305: Yea - you live in a dream world pal. Go bother someone else.

Post 1354: Doc - you are not a ****. You are a realist. The Thin Red Line is whether or not he purposefully destroyed or attempted to destroy evidence that would be sought in a law enforcement investigation considering the felonious and heinous act and if he participated in the felonious and heinous act.

If he purposefully obstructed justice and is found to be guilty in a court of law, he is gone.

Post 1377: Thanks for the clarification.

With that said - don't be surprised that the company which is providing Hernandez's video monitoring service package also has the video backup to his home which may corroborate what the neighbors' video has along with the data of when his system was materially affected.

Post 1398: JB - MSP has put out a BOLO on the other car as well as requesting the public's help regarding it.

Also, that gun that was found with the victim was not the right caliber which is why there is question regarding a number of issues including the intent of what happened.

There has been nothing solid that has been reported regarding the actual murder except the victim and some timeline information.

Post 1418: JB - with that said, just realize which sources Deus is using for information.

LaLaLate.com and OhNoTheyDidnt.livejournal.com are sources that would normally not be used as verified information when it comes to a case like this because they are clearly re-disseminating information and not interviewing and reporting 1st source information.

and finally Post 1455: Yea - I really like Aaron, as well, as a football player and it is safe to say that the Patriots were pretty confident that he was going to be a long-term part of this team when they gave him his contract last year.

Not for nothing - just let your wife know that if all he did was attempt to destroy evidence that this thing is not over for him. He can cooperate if that is all he did.

Spoliation of evidence while it could be detrimental to a case and could lead to the same top line count as whomever murdered Mr. Lloyd is normally utilized to get someone to cooperate which is what I am hoping for.

If this is all he did - he will get a suspension from the league and a stern talking to by the Krafts and their attorneys' with an amended contract because they will not put up with this ****.

Mr. Johnson - don't ever post or send a message to me again.
 
Is there a thread around here with actual information about the Hernandez issue? This one seems to have turned into an I have my panties in a wad fest.
 

Wow.. not only is he being repped by R & G, but Rankin & Sultan is co-defender.. Sultan is a high profile DA who repped an bank executive who murdered his girlfriend on Nantucket. The guy walked, of course.

I don't think it's possible for Hernandez to have better representation than he does now, in all of New England.

If, on the other hand, he gets suspended and his bonus is recovered, he is in it very deep what with the fees he must be racking up now. Those guys charge you $100 for just winking at them.
 
Did I or did I not say that "anyone who didn't 'believe" he was going to be arrested on Friday was an 'idiot'?

The answer is nope:

Post# 1216: Just for the record - I read what some of you guys have said about Steve Balestrieri. Not cool. He was reporting an update from what was reported by WBZ-TV.

Don't blame Steve that WBZ was unable to confirm that the arrest warrant was only prepared and not issued because Aaron, frankly, was not available or located in order to have the warrant issued.

Does anyone not think that Aaron's attorney is working on those arrangements right now because the warrant has been prepared.

And if the report is accurate and correct that he is being charged with Obstruction, then the only thing that I have to say about that is I told you so.

I wish this was not happening because Aaron was entrusted by the Kraft family and BB to be one of the guys that was the face of this franchise and the Myra Kraft Foundation with his charitable contributions and is suppose to be a vital cog of this offense.

However, I am not a pom-pom fan like some of you. I chose to deal in reality and the reality is what it is. Hernandez is involved in some way, shape or form and you pom poms better hope that the obstruction charge is MSP's way of getting him to cooperate rather than seeking a direct charge of Murder in the 1st or 2nd Degree.

Post 1230: Obstruction of Justice through the spoliation of evidence can be a top count charge based on the crime which in this case would be a 1st Degree Murder charge because he acted as an accessory.

Post 1238: The arrest warrant has to be personally served to the defendant. Anything else?

Post 1241: Whatever you say moron (edit note: That would be you). I advised you to not contact me or respond to me. I would advise that you do so.

Post 1273: Thanks jb - and again for the record, I really wish this was not happening and among the statements that I have made included what was going to be found on the video surveillance at his house.

When it was reported and verified by two media organizations each independently working their sources connected to this investigation that his video surveillance hard drive was damaged then that was it for me because Hernandez impeded the law enforcement investigation and that is something that you do not do if you are innocent and for those that don't have enough common sense to know that should find the bleacher seats because that is where the belong.

If there is one thing that I cannot stand it is those that have been on this thread for four days acting like a bunch of pom poms thinking that Hernandez has done nothing wrong.

Wake and smell the ******* coffee pom poms.


Post 1301: Oh really - so the reports that Hernandez was seen on video surveillance Monday morning must mean that the video surveillance was not in working order?

Ok Pom Pom....You live in dream land.

Post 1305: Yea - you live in a dream world pal. Go bother someone else.

Post 1354: Doc - you are not a ****. You are a realist. The Thin Red Line is whether or not he purposefully destroyed or attempted to destroy evidence that would be sought in a law enforcement investigation considering the felonious and heinous act and if he participated in the felonious and heinous act.

If he purposefully obstructed justice and is found to be guilty in a court of law, he is gone.

Post 1377: Thanks for the clarification.

With that said - don't be surprised that the company which is providing Hernandez's video monitoring service package also has the video backup to his home which may corroborate what the neighbors' video has along with the data of when his system was materially affected.

Post 1398: JB - MSP has put out a BOLO on the other car as well as requesting the public's help regarding it.

Also, that gun that was found with the victim was not the right caliber which is why there is question regarding a number of issues including the intent of what happened.

There has been nothing solid that has been reported regarding the actual murder except the victim and some timeline information.

Post 1418: JB - with that said, just realize which sources Deus is using for information.

LaLaLate.com and OhNoTheyDidnt.livejournal.com are sources that would normally not be used as verified information when it comes to a case like this because they are clearly re-disseminating information and not interviewing and reporting 1st source information.

and finally Post 1455: Yea - I really like Aaron, as well, as a football player and it is safe to say that the Patriots were pretty confident that he was going to be a long-term part of this team when they gave him his contract last year.

Not for nothing - just let your wife know that if all he did was attempt to destroy evidence that this thing is not over for him. He can cooperate if that is all he did.

Spoliation of evidence while it could be detrimental to a case and could lead to the same top line count as whomever murdered Mr. Lloyd is normally utilized to get someone to cooperate which is what I am hoping for.

If this is all he did - he will get a suspension from the league and a stern talking to by the Krafts and their attorneys' with an amended contract because they will not put up with this ****.

Mr. Johnson - don't ever post or send a message to me again.

Those aren't the ones I was talking about.
I will respond if and when I see fit. Probably more than I otherwise would when you continue to do nothing but insult people and put out childish threats like that. Whats next, are you going to call me a name and hold your breath?
 
Is there a thread around here with actual information about the Hernandez issue? This one seems to have turned into an I have my panties in a wad fest.

I'm not sure what information you're looking for. There's not much to be had, but it's all available in this thread, somewhere.
 
Those aren't the ones I was talking about.
I will respond if and when I see fit. Probably more than I otherwise would when you continue to do nothing but insult people and put out childish threats like that. Whats next, are you going to call me a name and hold your breath?

I don't care what you think. Don't ever post, respond or send a message to me again.

Those were the substantive posts that were made on Friday. Now - since you requested an answer. There you have it. Go fly a kite along with your other pom pom pals.
 
I don't care what you think. Don't ever post, respond or send a message to me again.

You keep saying this - do you think it will accomplish anything? Or is it supposed to be a threat or something?
 
You keep saying this - do you think it will accomplish anything? Or is it supposed to be a threat or something?

I am making my wishes to him known and for the record, I did not call him a liar since he, like some of you, have tried to call me since last week.

With that said - you and the others with these loser gotchya games is what it is.

I have explicitly stated my position on this investigation and yet, you and some of your other pom poms keep trying to get someone to say something that is not true.

Do yourself a favor. Follow the request that I have made to Mr. Johnson for yourself considering how your tone has been throughout this entire thread.

If you are going to post something to me - do it based on what has been actually said in this thread and do it based on your opinion without respect to what someone else has said.

Sound good? I certainly hope so because I am not going to get the third degree again from someone after being accused of saying something that wasn't the case.
 
You keep saying this - do you think it will accomplish anything? Or is it supposed to be a threat or something?
I'm trying to figure out how he intends to still have people to talk to in a year or so when he's said that to everybody after an argument.
 
I am making my wishes that him known and for the record, I did not call him a liar.

With that said - you and the others with these loser gotchya games is what it is.

I have explicitly stated my position on this investigation and yet, you and some of your other pom poms keep trying to get someone to say something that is not true.

Do yourself a favor. Follow the request that I have made to Mr. Johnson for yourself considering how your tone has been throughout this entire thread.

If you are going to post something to me - do it based on what has been actually said in this thread and do it based on your opinion without respect to what someone else has said.

Sound good? I certainly hope so because I am not going to get the third degree again from someone after being accused of saying something that wasn't the case.

What the hell are you even talking about? Gotcha games? I said from the start I think trying to dig through post histories to find when people are wrong is poor form and besides I didn't think it was you I thought it was some other guy who had a red name.

But either way you should probably save yourself some time because until I'm banned or something I'm going to reply to everyone I feel like replying. That's not me being a tough guy that's just the way it is.

Honestly, you're coming off as pretty immature, either way and you should probably take a posting break.
 
Of course. I'm not sure how that's supposed to change the questions I asked you.



What I quoted was not the defense attorney making that particular statement. What I quoted was a defense attorney, one of the two actual "parties", speaking publicly. In other words, I produced actual stuff from one the actual people and asked you about it.



I think you chose to avoid answering my questions because the answers undercut your assumptions and claims from earlier. Clearly we have more than just a report from the media there. We have a statement from one party to the issues. Therefore, your



fails.


There's no need for you to answer the second question. It's clear that you think the defense will lie, publicly, about the existence of the warrant.

I see you did not understand my point regarding the word "parties" , well I actually said the "parties in question" . . . my post was at the end of series of posts between BSR and myself and in which I was not talking about the "parties" insofar as defendant and commonwealth are concerned, but the parties involved with the warrant process, seeking, approval, issuance and service of the same . . . I understand where you were coming from saw the word parties and thought I meant the DA and the defendant . . . understandable as, if you are like myself, don't have the time to read every post in the thread, and get things in context, especially one with 275+ pages . . . :) . . .

Also I was just trying to point out that we are doing is quoting media sources regarding court personnel and info the media is getting them (warrant issued, warrant applied for, no action at all, and so on) . . . and although some might seem more first hand than others, we can not say absolutely sure one is right and the other is wrong . . .

and was just making a point that for me, like the press conferences held by the police during the search for the marathon bomber . . . if I saw a presser of the officer who applied for the warrant (or his boss/or police chief) or one of clerk of the court, preferable the main clerk Sturdy (i.e. "the parties in question") going before the media saying one way or the other about the warrant I would feel more comfortable about it . . . basically hear it first hand from the horses mouth if you will

otherwise it is simply the media reporting what they claimed to have heard . ..

and so what a defense counsel or counsel in his office wants to say does not mean anything to me as I was not talking about them . . .

And another little tidbit regarding any alleged statements by the clerks of the court, I had first thought that they might be doing a little BB presser and not given the media anything . . . and now given your post about impoundment and the report indicating that they can not say when the impoundment came into effect only makes me wonder that the clerk's alleged statements neutralizing the report of a warrant being issue/applied for was just a way to balance things and bring things back to square one . . .

as we all know this is a huge case, it may peter out to nothing in the end, but it might be a full blown murder trial for AH, and altho it may not be as big as OJ, it big; and as such, the commonwealth might want to tread lightly and to chill any of the media circus . . . and for me neutralizing reports of an alleged arrest warrant and/or application and any other public info is in the realm of what they might want to do . . .

surely this impounding talk was discussed, and if not order issued, before the clerks talked with the media in the articles cited regarding the "non existence" of a warrant . . . accordingly, I would not put it past the clerks in the instant case to be neutral, well try to make things neutral, back to square one, no one in here but us foxes . . .
 
What the hell are you even talking about? Gotcha games? I said from the start I think trying to dig through post histories to find when people are wrong is poor form and besides I didn't think it was you I thought it was some other guy who had a red name.

But either way you should probably save yourself some time because until I'm banned or something I'm going to reply to everyone I feel like replying. That's not me being a tough guy that's just the way it is.

Honestly, you're coming off as pretty immature, either way and you should probably take a posting break.

Well then - you should have said that to Mr. Andy Johnson when he continued on earlier today. But of course, neither you nor anyone else did.
 
Well then - you should have said that to Mr. Andy Johnson when he continued on earlier today. But of course, neither you nor anyone else did.

Why should I say something to another poster about something that doesn't involve me and I don't care about? I'm not his buddy, we agree in this thread about a lot but we've disagreed about other stuff in other threads, I dunno, I don't keep track and I don't hold grudges and I certainly don't tell people not to post in respond to me ever again because that's childish.

When I'm tired of arguing with someone I stop replying to them and move on because this is just a discussion board about football nothing that happens here matters.
 
you want a video? yeah, so do a million other people. Here's what you get, also what millions of people take as a statement of fact from an official, THE official you want proof from..

Search warrants, but court officials say no arrest warrant issued for Patriots' Hernandez | New Hampshire SPORTS0401

Attleboro circuit court clerk Mark Sturdy said no arrest warrant for Aaron Hernandez has been issued out of that court.

“Not that I’m aware of,” Sturdy said. At 4:30 Friday, there was still no arrest warrant in the Attleboro court.

Clarke said no warrant has been issued for Hernandez arrest anywhere in the state.

“If it was issued anywhere in the state it would show up,” said Clarke. “There’s only three clerks here, we all talk to each other. No warrant has been issued.”


you want more PROOF that that, I'm sorry... don't know what to tell you...

Poster A posts an article indicating that a representative from the Attleboro DC indicated that an arrest warrant has been drawn up but not acted upon by the court . . .

Poster B posts an article indicating that a representative from the Attleboro DC indicated that no such arrest warrant application exists . . .

Poster B calls Poster A a troll and goes on to say that his article is 100% correct . ..

I merely join the conversation and inquire from Poster B how can one claim his media source is 100% correct and the formers is not . . . I then mention a logical point that I personally would feel a lot more comfortable if I heard from the horse's mouth, given there is conflicting accounts of what was claimed by the court personnel by the media . . .

Poster B does not address my question and mere responds by reposting his article . . .

Okay I get it now . . . thanks for playing . . . your name fits your posts nicely . . .
 
Why should I say something to another poster about something that doesn't involve me and I don't care about? I'm not his buddy, we agree in this thread about a lot but we've disagreed about other stuff in other threads, I dunno, I don't keep track and I don't hold grudges and I certainly don't tell people not to post in respond to me ever again because that's childish.

When I'm tired of arguing with someone I stop replying to them and move on because this is just a discussion board about football nothing that happens here matters.

Well lets hope that some of the others heed that advice when attempting to have a salient discussion without the garbage that Joker, Off The Grid, Andy Johnson, Jackson, and a number of others of which includes the resident-know-it-all Deus continue on with and think they are entitled to when it comes to any topic on these boards.
 
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