Armond Armstead

[RayClay]

I hope Armstead gets a nickname. Every time I see his name as a thread title, I think someone's been arrested.

 

[tonyto3690]

Re: Armond Amrstead

Also notice how we didn't draft any defensive tackle in the draft??

There's obviously some deep confidence put into this guy.

I wouldn't read THAT much into it. It's definitely a positive sign, but there was really only one worthwhile 43 DT that we could have drafted, IIRC. It was a really poor crop of prospects for that.

 

[ausbacker]

But I mean we had no issue getting to the red zone. We stalled in getting Tds is what I mean. So will bigger wide receivers and causing other teams to slow down down in the red zone makes the O be less perfect.

I knew what you were inferring Archeryaddict12. A healthy Gronk goes a long way to alleviating that. That said, we shouldn't count on health because we've been wronged by it far too often in recent memory.

 

[Brady2Moss]

I knew what you were inferring Archeryaddict12. A healthy Gronk goes a long way to alleviating that. That said, we shouldn't count on health because we've been wronged by it far too often in recent memory.

That is why Dobson is such an important piece to the puzzle. The offense has crapped out in many different ways in recent years, but the common denominator seems to be a lack of an outside threat that can get "chunk" yards. It is just too damn hard to operate with an offense that gets 10 yards at a time with 1 true red zone threat against good defenses in January.

Defense also needs to finally take that next step, the biggest problem is lack of consistent pressure. I still have nightmares of Eli sitting back in the pocket literally not even having to move a centimeter on 3rd and long and getting the 1st down because no one sniffed him.

When the team shows evidence that they can get consistent pressure I will start to feel real good. Otherwise its going to be praying Gronk is functional in January or bust.

 

[JMarr]

Re: Armond Amrstead

Also notice how we didn't draft any defensive tackle in the draft??

There's obviously some deep confidence put into this guy.

Exactly right. I didn't see DT as a position of need. We have more than enough depth there now.

I think Love is under-appreciated on this board. (watch him get cut now ). Sure he doesn't push the LOS back or create disruption as well as Vince (but who does?), but like Vince he's basically a run stuffer. He was pretty good last year IMO, so the only question is whether either Kelly or Armstead emerge as studs, which would make our D pretty lethal.

 

[Username]

Re: Armond Amrstead

Exactly right. I didn't see DT as a position of need. We have more than enough depth there now.

I think Love is under-appreciated on this board. (watch him get cut now ). Sure he doesn't push the LOS back or create disruption as well as Vince (but who does?), but like Vince he's basically a run stuffer. He was pretty good last year IMO, so the only question is whether either Kelly or Armstead emerge as studs, which would make our D pretty lethal.

We signed Cory Grissom as a UDFA too, who I like. He's not flashy but he's powerful and gets a good push. Paired with a more mobile, incisive DT he's could really open up some room.

 

[ausbacker]

That is why Dobson is such an important piece to the puzzle. The offense has crapped out in many different ways in recent years, but the common denominator seems to be a lack of an outside threat that can get "chunk" yards. It is just too damn hard to operate with an offense that gets 10 yards at a time with 1 true red zone threat against good defenses in January.

Defense also needs to finally take that next step, the biggest problem is lack of consistent pressure. I still have nightmares of Eli sitting back in the pocket literally not even having to move a centimeter on 3rd and long and getting the 1st down because no one sniffed him.

When the team shows evidence that they can get consistent pressure I will start to feel real good. Otherwise its going to be praying Gronk is functional in January or bust.

I agree Brady2Moss that the team needs to be better constructed than what it has been in the past few seasons. On O, that means a more complete team capable of more than the constraints the Patriots have been faced with the past few seasons and on D that means a team that can unleash the fury when needed in those key January/February moments.

My joy at present is the team appears to be well constructed (well improved at the very least despite the outflow of talent) to make a serious run at the Superbowl again. I really want to see Brady hoist another 1 or 2 Lombardi's to further separate himself from Goober.

 

[moosekill]

That is why Dobson is such an important piece to the puzzle. The offense has crapped out in many different ways in recent years, but the common denominator seems to be a lack of an outside threat that can get "chunk" yards. It is just too damn hard to operate with an offense that gets 10 yards at a time with 1 true red zone threat against good defenses in January.

Defense also needs to finally take that next step, the biggest problem is lack of consistent pressure. I still have nightmares of Eli sitting back in the pocket literally not even having to move a centimeter on 3rd and long and getting the 1st down because no one sniffed him.

When the team shows evidence that they can get consistent pressure I will start to feel real good. Otherwise its going to be praying Gronk is functional in January or bust.

I am sorry, but the offense has crapped out in many different ways??? Are you really serious? The Patriots lost in the Superbowl and the AFC championship, to the team that won the Superbowl the last two years. 2 years ago Gronk was hurt and played at about 1/2 speed. Last year he didn't play, they had also lost Julian, and in the first quarter they lost Talib.

So playing without their best offensive threat, they struggled scoring points against the best team in the league, two years in a row, not really sure that counts as crapping out in many ways.

They were the #1 offense both years. It is however, a little like baseball, sometimes when the best hitter goes against the best pitcher, the pitcher wins. Sometimes, in football, when the best offense goes against the best defense, especially if they are missing a very key part of that offense, the best defense will win.

 

[strngplyr]

I hope Armstead can live up to at least a fraction of the hype he's been receiving.

I would love a DL specifically for passing downs consisting of:

Jones-Armstead-Kelly-Abraham (we are still expected to sign him in the coming weeks)

I think that would be pretty disruptive in most situations and allow us to drop 7 into coverage, hopefully Fletcher and Collins can improve the coverage from the LB spot.

The downside about our defense is that I feel like we might have too many specific role-players which might tell an offense to either run or pass.

 

[TomPatriot]

Re: Armond Amrstead

Exactly right. I didn't see DT as a position of need. We have more than enough depth there now.

I think Love is under-appreciated on this board. (watch him get cut now ). Sure he doesn't push the LOS back or create disruption as well as Vince (but who does?), but like Vince he's basically a run stuffer. He was pretty good last year IMO, so the only question is whether either Kelly or Armstead emerge as studs, which would make our D pretty lethal.

Love's injury in the AFC Championship Game was critical and significantly contributed to that loss.

 

[BTTA]

I hope Armstead can live up to at least a fraction of the hype he's been receiving.

I would love a DL specifically for passing downs consisting of:

Jones-Armstead-Kelly-Abraham (we are still expected to sign him in the coming weeks)

I think that would be pretty disruptive in most situations and allow us to drop 7 into coverage, hopefully Fletcher and Collins can improve the coverage from the LB spot.

The downside about our defense is that I feel like we might have too many specific role-players which might tell an offense to either run or pass.

If they sign Abraham, there will be serious roster log jam along the DL, and some of the players in some of these scenarios in this thread will be gone.

 

[Husse]

I hope Armstead gets a nickname. Every time I see his name as a thread title, I think someone's been arrested.

AA, eh?

Hope someone gets the reference.

 

[shmessy]

If they sign Abraham, there will be serious roster log jam along the DL, and some of the players in some of these scenarios in this thread will be gone.

Well, they already cut Pryor and if Cunningham and Bequette don't show monster progress in TC they'll be cut also. They can always work Jon Abraham in.

 

[shmessy]

AA, eh?

Hope someone gets the reference.

I like "Armed and Dangerous".

 

[strngplyr]

If they sign Abraham, there will be serious roster log jam along the DL, and some of the players in some of these scenarios in this thread will be gone.

Yeah, as someone else stated, if Abraham is better hey'll work him onto the roster.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Armond Amrstead

We signed Cory Grissom as a UDFA too, who I like. He's not flashy but he's powerful and gets a good push. Paired with a more mobile, incisive DT he's could really open up some room.

They also have Marcus Forston and Marcus Bernard. Forston who was signed as a UDFA last year and Bernard as a UFA this off-season.

 

[mosi]

Re: Armond Amrstead

That is correct Palm Beach - once Talib was added to the active roster, the Pats were 11th best in yardage in the NFL. Lets just hope for improvement from our guys and of course, good health. Good health means a lot in the playoffs especially on the defensive side of the ball....

Yup, and once Talib went out of the Ravens game, our defense went to pot. When he wen't out, I knew we were going to lose to game. I knew it, you knew it, the american people knew it.

 

[signbabybrady]

I hope Armstead can live up to at least a fraction of the hype he's been receiving.

I would love a DL specifically for passing downs consisting of:

Jones-Armstead-Kelly-Abraham (we are still expected to sign him in the coming weeks)

I think that would be pretty disruptive in most situations and allow us to drop 7 into coverage, hopefully Fletcher and Collins can improve the coverage from the LB spot.

The downside about our defense is that I feel like we might have too many specific role-players which might tell an offense to either run or pass.

IMO the downside to role specific players is not that they telegraph what you are doing but that the O will try and run hurry up and catch these guys on the field in the wrong situations.

Example being if it is 3rd and long who cares that you telegraph your pass defense because a run would be fine but if they wind up getting the first and trapping your pass defense on the field they can really exploit that.

 

[BlueThunder]

It sure would be nice to be able to have the back end coverage improve slightly so the D could blitz more often.

The bend but don't break D works ok with mediocre QB's but once the playoffs are here, all the mediocre teams are golfing.

 

[Brady2Moss]

I am sorry, but the offense has crapped out in many different ways??? Are you really serious? The Patriots lost in the Superbowl and the AFC championship, to the team that won the Superbowl the last two years. 2 years ago Gronk was hurt and played at about 1/2 speed. Last year he didn't play, they had also lost Julian, and in the first quarter they lost Talib.

So playing without their best offensive threat, they struggled scoring points against the best team in the league, two years in a row, not really sure that counts as crapping out in many ways.

They were the #1 offense both years. It is however, a little like baseball, sometimes when the best hitter goes against the best pitcher, the pitcher wins. Sometimes, in football, when the best offense goes against the best defense, especially if they are missing a very key part of that offense, the best defense will win.

Andddddd this is why posting a neutral post here is so hard, because even when you do some ridiculous statement is made.

Final games of the last 3 seasons they scored 21, 17, and 13 points. That is the definition of crapping out when you are the #1 or close to it offense all season for the past 3 years. Making excuses doesn't change the fact that the offense wasn't good enough to get it done. Injuries happen, the NFL is the business of winning not imaginary what if scenarios.

Your analogy is nonsensical, they crapped out 3 years in a row if it was like baseball you would think one time the offense beats the defense. And anyway both the Giants and Ravens were middle of the pack defenses I believe.

You know that "best" defense that won because we were missing Gronk? They were missing their best corner and Suggs/Lewis were severely injured. Lewis was a shell of himself. Everyone has injuries you need to build an offense that can function without Gronk and they attempted to do that by getting a redzone threat WR.

I think you should see that BB blew up the WR core because he too felt there was some kind of problem. The good thing is they are trying to shake things up to address the issue, which I'm happy about.