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I'm going to make a statement, you can feel free to disagree, but it won't change my mind. If you also want, you can revisit this at the end of the season and we can discuss it.

Josh McDaniels is a terrible play-caller. He's a great positional coach, but a horrible horrible play-caller. He'll turn this offense into a bits and pieces throw when we can but not past the sticks mess, and he'll get Brady killed.

Lets give him an adjustment period. Its only week 2. Last week we loved his play calling and this forum was raving about him.
 
Lets give him an adjustment period. Its only week 2. Last week we loved his play calling and this forum was raving about him.

I thought the play-calling was average at best.

And considering he's been here before, I'm not giving him any adjustment period.

We've seen it before - complex, slow developing routes, the line asked to block for 4/5/6 seconds whilst the receivers get open. It's happened before, and it will happen again.
 
I thought the play-calling was average at best.

And considering he's been here before, I'm not giving him any adjustment period.

We've seen it before - complex, slow developing routes, the line asked to block for 4/5/6 seconds whilst the receivers get open. It's happened before, and it will happen again.

2007 he called good games didn't he?
 
2007 he called good games didn't he?

The game plan for Super Bowl 42 was one of the absolute worst I've seen under Belichick's tenure. The lack of adjustments by McDaniels made it even worse.
 
2007 he called good games didn't he?

When Steve Spagnuolo was head coach of the Rams, he said that Josh McDaniels was the best playcaller he's ever been around. I think the pats were just caught flat footed today with AH injury, which forced the team to go more into 3WR sets. That coupled with a crummy week of practice, at least according to Logan Mankins, spelled disaster.
 
I thought the play-calling was average at best.

And considering he's been here before, I'm not giving him any adjustment period.

We've seen it before - complex, slow developing routes, the line asked to block for 4/5/6 seconds whilst the receivers get open. It's happened before, and it will happen again.

That's not what happened today.

You had Donald Thomas totally over-matched by the interior of the Cardinals line. You also had a lack of execution by the offensive players. Gronk dropped 2. Welker dropped 1. Lloyd dropped one. Mankins got blown up twice.

Instead of bashing McDaniels, why not give credit where it's due. To the Cardinals defense..
 
That's not what happened today.

You had Donald Thomas totally over-matched by the interior of the Cardinals line. You also had a lack of execution by the offensive players. Gronk dropped 2. Welker dropped 1. Lloyd dropped one. Mankins got blown up twice.

Instead of bashing McDaniels, why not give credit where it's due. To the Cardinals defense..

I don't think the cards did anything special.

The play calling was poor as was the execution on the offensive side of the ball.

The cards d is okay, but the pats screwed the pooch
 
Ridley had great stats, but so many of his runs were ended at inopportune times when I thought Brady should have just thrown it.

While I appreciate the new ability to run, we have to remember that taking the ball out of Brady's hands just so we can say we're balanced is meaningless patting ourselves on the back.

Run if you need to, or if you can do it easily, but don't force it, especially against what appeared to be a well prepared D-line.

Again, Ridley had great stats, but the gains we're spread out among his carries. He was knocked on his ass a lot.
 
We didn't deserve it either....you can't point to a fumble by the other team or ONE penalty in a game as the reason WHY your team lost.
Its as simple as "Our QB and offense couldn't get going and our OC called a horrible game....
Cards didn't deserve to win that game.

They coughed up the ball with 1 minute left.

They couldn't stop our offence.

Woodhead scored a TD.



Refs took the TD away and then our kicker missed a FG on his own.
 
I think I am finally now recovered from the roller coaster that was that last minute.

This defense is coming around nicely. I am shocked they were able to strip that ball, as I expected a knee down to take the clock down then force a long drive with 15-20 seconds and no time outs left after a punt. Chandler Jones is looking like a stud. Two weeks a lot of havoc caused, another forced fumble and might be on his way to DROY honors.

The offense looked slow to adjust after AH's injury. Plus I am trying to figure out what is going on with Welker and him being benched, he doesn't look hurt, maybe he is practicing bad, which was mentioned today in post game the offense was not practicing well. I think also the Cards defense is a lot better than we thought they were. And that last drive IMO was the antithesis of what we used to do after the called back TD and the false start. We got conservative, despite having the Cardinals on the ropes, and instead of going to get a few yards to make it easier, we basically took our chances on a FG which maybe was a 70% chance of success, not cracking on Ghost, but its not a chip shot and getting another short pass or even a slant to Gronk and getting another 8-10 yards would have helped the cause. I felt we didn't go for the kill shot and was worried about a sack or worse, another call, or the playing to lose that we expect other coaches to do.

On the holding call that cost us the TD, and my take on the refs as a whole, all anybody wants is consistency. I saw in most of the first half Chandler Jones held and only one flag. We saw many times the Cards hold our wideouts, including one when Peterson grabbed Lloyd's jersey where even Helen Keller could see that. We know in sports usually the later (and usually tighter) a game is the more inclined the refs are to let little things go. But to make that call when other calls were allowed was unbelievable. Its not just this game, I have seen awful calls in a lot of other games today, and I don't think it is going to improve, I think it might get worse as players push the limits and force these refs to make calls, and eventually will blow a game or two where a team will lose a playoff spot, a coach could lose his job, or worse, a player or players are injured because these guys can't control the players. Rat Birds/Eagles was chippy, imagine when it is Rat Birds/Steelers, that could be real ugly. For a league wanting player safety, having minor league refs is not the best step.

All in all today was ugly, and I would have taken an ugly win over this gut punch of a loss, but historically speaking, we always have had losses we shake our head at. And Arizona looking at them is not a bad team on defense, a lot better than I thought. On to next week and a Ravens team coming off of a loss and wanting payback after the way their season ended last year.
 
A lot of us are overlooking the blocked punt. That is really what hurt us. Gave them the ball at the 3. That was really the play that hurt us.
 
I'm so ******* sick of seeing the pitch play used in the wrong spot and seeing us lose 5 yards every damn time.
 
The good news is that the Jets lost, too. The Patriots are still in first place.
 
Never thought I would say it, but I want O'Brien back badly.
This kind of talk surprises me. People give up at the first sign of a problem. In fact the offense is having trouble finding its chemistry. Give 'em a chance. They are not supermen no matter what you've heard.
 
Josh McDaniels is a terrible play-caller. He's a great positional coach, but a horrible horrible play-caller. He'll turn this offense into a bits and pieces throw when we can but not past the sticks mess, and he'll get Brady killed.
So you know more about Josh than Bill?
 
One of the mediots already tweeted that. Welker was used as the 3rd WR.

According to that report, Welker played 63 snaps. We had something like 78, so that is over 80%.
 
I'm so ******* sick of seeing the pitch play used in the wrong spot and seeing us lose 5 yards every damn time.

Since it happens 'all the time' I'm sure you could give at least 2 examples other than the one today, right? Right?
I love how every time something goes wrong the entitled crowd revises history to feel more justified in their whining.
 
One of the mediots already tweeted that. Welker was used as the 3rd WR.

I had an interesting conversation tonight with a member of the Patriots offensive coaching staff (there were reasons why he wasn't with the team at the game).

When Welker dropped a pass, I said something and he said quote "I think something's wrong with Welker's eyes this year. He dropped a lot of balls in camp and he doesn't seem to be seeing the ball that well."

I was actually surprised by this and obviously, this was just his opinion. I didn't try to probe because he wouldn't have said much more and I was surprised he even said that.

What I was thinking about long after I came home is maybe he's not having the best practices and that's the reason he's been cut down on his reps. I'm just adding my guesses at this point too but if he's having some trouble in practices as well, that might be a reason his game reps have dropped off right now....

Again, just some interesting speculation based on an interesting conversation I had.
 
A couple of very quick initial thoughts....

1. The defense is really showing me something. This unit is solid.

2. The last time the Pats lost a home opener their defense was good and they won the Super Bowl. Just saying........

3. I'm very concerned that this team will get beat next week. Baltimore will be emotionally up for the game, it's at their place, Hernandez will almost certainly miss the game, the offensive line is getting abused, and the offense is not in sync. It could be ugly, actually. A 1-2 start is not, um, what most of us were looking for.

4. But I think they'll be ok in the end. They should have a stretch where they rip off 7-8 wins in a row.
 
Thought provoking. Ironically, many of the fans booing the players are booing because they feel that the players, ( Tom Brady made a cool $1.25 million dollars for his three hours on his home field today in perfect weather ), are playing like spoiled cry babies.

The players look up into the stands and see the guy who hangs dry wall 60 hours a week and saves his last dollar to go to the game, booing what he sees on the field, and thinks that the fan is a "spoiled cry baby".

Get off that high horse. It's a simple matter of respect and appreciation for all they have given to "us fans" over the past 11 years.

To me listening to that at a time that the game was certainly close is hearing a bunch of cry babies. And it inspires the other team to hear that from a home crowd with those banners hanging.

I don't care if it's a drywall hanger or a CEO of a Fortune 500 company. It's a classless thing to do in the 1st half of a tight game.

And BTW, if he is saving his last dollar to go to a football game instead of doing something for his family, he has his priorities a little messed up.
 
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