Greg Williams Speech before the 49ers game

[chumpchange]

You do realize that you don't need to hit someone's head in order to give them a concussion?

Steve Young was concussed like crazy on the hit that ended his career, do you think this was a dirty hit?

Steve Young's Last play - YouTube

It could be ANY body part targeted for damage. I mentioned the head because that the terminology Williams used.

Namely:

"That little wide receiver, number 10, about his concussion. We need to (expletive) put a lick on him right now,"

"We've got to make sure we do everything in the world to make sure we kill Frank Gore's head. We need to decide on how many times we can meet Frank Gore's head,"

 

[chumpchange]

Since the players are voluntarily participating in a game, in which violent physical contact is an integral part, solicitation would likely not apply.

If a manager at the mortgage company paid his employee to tackle the manager of the Real Estate company then you'd have something.

Assumption of risk in football doesn't include injury-for-pay rings. Your position is completely unsupported by law.

 

[Snake Eyes]

It could be ANY body part targeted for damage. I mentioned the head because that the terminology Williams used.

Player try to damage opposing players on every single play. If the damage is caused by something outside the rules (dirty play) then I agree with you. Steve Young was concussed by a completely clean hit, and ACLs are torn all the time from clean hits.

Williams didnt do himself any favors by specifically talking about the injuries, if he simply said "we're gonna knock them on their asses, knock em out" and kept it more general people would be praising him if not for him offering bounties.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Assumption of risk in football doesn't include injury-for-pay rings. Your position is completely unsupported by law.

The bounty system is against NFL rules, there's no criminal law against it.

 

[Off The Grid]

Ok, what specific crime did he commit?

1 ~ Um. Hello?? Criminal Solicitation??

2 ~ That doesn't even matter: I was ~ clearly ~ talking about the character of the act, not any legal mumbo jumbo: Williams is FILTH who engaged in disgusting, despicable, vile and criminal behavior...And continuing to defend him ~ this stinking raw sewage ~ as you are, isn't exactly admirable.

 

[Off The Grid]

Williams didnt do himself any favors by specifically talking about the injuries, if he simply said "we're gonna knock them on their asses, knock em out" and kept it more general people would be praising him if not for him offering bounties.

Yeah, and other than starting WW II and murdering countless millions, Adolf Hitler was a pretty good guy.

 

[Deus Irae]

I have no idea; google it. I would guess a relative few because pro athletes tend not to pursue litigation over a punch, as I've said several times. But declining to pursue it doesn't make it legal.

And of course, having one's concussed head targeted for repeat brain damage or having one's ACL destroyed for money is on the tad more serious end of the illegal contact spectrum.

The bold portion is the point.

 

[chumpchange]

The bold portion is the point.

I'm sorry, I'm not understanding you. You're basing the validity of a law on the number of cases brought?

 

[Ivan]

Since the players are voluntarily participating in a game, in which violent physical contact is an integral part, solicitation would likely not apply.

If a manager at the mortgage company paid his employee to tackle the manager of the Real Estate company then you'd have something.

Telling them to hit him hard is legal, telling them to tear his ACL isn't. The players never signed up to have their ligaments deliberately ruptured.

 

[lurker1965]

What makes it much worse for him is that the NFL or pro football is now really his only option, I can't see how any school could ever justify hiring him. The lower the level the harder it gets to allow him to coach. Anyone want him coaching high school football?

"now Bobby, I want you to kick that Newsome kid, number 34 in the nuts every chance you get, and Billy and Tommy, you try to rip that that m......therf...... Hardy's ACL into 5 pieces by the end of the 2nd series, then we'll see if their back-up Jones can do the job, or if his mommy will even let him play. So you little f.......g m....therf.....'s get out there and kill those little rat bastards and leave their corpses so their mommies and daddies can't even recognize their 10 year old bodies, then it's ice cream for the whole defense on me...."

Gregg "Sweep the leg" Williams

 

[Ivan]

Since the players are voluntarily participating in a game, in which violent physical contact is an integral part, solicitation would likely not apply.

If a manager at the mortgage company paid his employee to tackle the manager of the Real Estate company then you'd have something.

Williams wouldn't be in trouble if he told them to tackle, he's screwed because he told them to go injure opposing players, there's a big difference.

 

[lurker1965]

Thought this was an interesting tweet from a DT who played for 2 teams for 8 seasons ending in 2007...




Prisco now has an article up explaining why he can be indignant but we can't, because obviously he gets that coaches cuss and talk smack and we moronfans don't and obvioulsy can't differentiate between that and what Williams did. I hate mediots like Pete who muddy the waters because they assume fans are idiots and mostly in his case because he has a permanant hair across his ass about how he is perceived by those same fans...

You read Prisco? Seriously, Mo, you lost some respect there.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm sorry, I'm not understanding you. You're basing the validity of a law on the number of cases brought?

No. I'm asking you about NFL or NHL lawsuits that have been successful in the past 10 seasons based upon a simple punch, as opposed to a Marty McSorley in Canada situation.

 

[Frezo]

Painful but interesting read.

Did Raiders Bounty Program Kill Darryl Stingley? Fan's Opinion - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

 

[JMarr]

Assumption of risk in football doesn't include injury-for-pay rings. Your position is completely unsupported by law.

As is yours. Too lazy to try to look anything up, but as far as I know there has been ONE actual prosecution for this type of thing (Battery in the context of a hockey game) in professional sports. Maybe you have other examples. Anyway, my impression is that the traditional "what are 'normal' acts between the lines of a particular sporting event are not criminal" standard still applies. Granted, that might begin to change now due to this and other cases that seem so extreme...

And you can argue the conspiracy and solicitation angle in this particular case all you want (and it's a fair point), but in terms of prosecuting players for actual hits, I don't think the NFL, the players, nor many of the fans want to open up that can of worms.

 

[pherein]

I'm surprised some self righteous, up his own ass, teetering senator hasn't weighed in on this yet.

Whats really sad is they have,lol

Senate panel passes resolution asking NFL to reconsider sanctions on New Orleans Saints | NOLA.com

 

[pherein]

Saintsreport has been full of ******s for a few years now. All of the rational posters seem to post in the subforums where thought it allowed and not in the main forum where its all "rah rah we're number 1" and if you say anything slightly negative you get jumped on and or banned.

Yep. Your completely right. I was their from 1990-2008. Then the culture started to change as more and more new people signed up for accounts, lots of prior fans of other teams. It was flooded with with "The Saints can do no wrong", and "We are the best". I even saw a few post on how Brees is better than Brady. Its completely out of hand over there.

The Moderators are horrible to now, they will ban you if they don't like your opinion. I would say 1/3 of blackandgold are banned old time members of saints report, easy,lol.
You can have arguments in blackandgold, the posters are great ,much more informative, mostly pleasant, and you will find a better understanding of the saints culture, and fans there. The moderators Halo, forever fan, others are excellent also. They do a good job , like the moderators here in allowing things to play out to a point., and they don't make fun of my dyslexia either,lol

 

[Delicate Genius]

Hey everyone, it's that whining douchebag Mike Florio and he just wrote another terrible article.

Pamphilon should release his contract with Gleason | ProFootballTalk

 

[pherein]

Hey everyone, it's that whining douchebag Mike Florio and he just wrote another terrible article.

Pamphilon should release his contract with Gleason | ProFootballTalk

Yahoo, more good news. Why don't they release the tapes in the SF locker rooms, because Ive shown links of their DC saying the same thing vs the Giants. That seems fair.
Im glade it was released, for our fans to know what a jerk GW was.

 

[chumpchange]

As is yours. Too lazy to try to look anything up, but as far as I know there has been ONE actual prosecution for this type of thing (Battery in the context of a hockey game) in professional sports. Maybe you have other examples. Anyway, my impression is that the traditional "what are 'normal' acts between the lines of a particular sporting event are not criminal" standard still applies. Granted, that might begin to change now due to this and other cases that seem so extreme...

And you can argue the conspiracy and solicitation angle in this particular case all you want (and it's a fair point), but in terms of prosecuting players for actual hits, I don't think the NFL, the players, nor many of the fans want to open up that can of worms.

How is my position unsupported by law if you found a case demonstrating just such a successful prosecution?