The Post game venting thread.(merged a lot)

[Keep Up With The Joneses]

The defense did what they've done all year. They let up lots of yards and let the other team stay on the field too much. They held their own at times. But they didn't get the turnovers. To me this is one of the areas that really lost the game. If they fall on one of those fumbles they probably win the game and we are talking about how gritty they were.

Props to Gronkowski for giving it a try, but he was clearly ineffective. He could barely get off the line, couldn't run full speed, and couldn't cut. I think our chances at the end of the game would have been better with a healthy Ocho or Edelman in there.

Here's where the flaming will come from some of you. This was lost as a team. Everyone played OK, but no one played great. I won't hang this loss on Brady, but between the INT thrown to Slater against Baltimore, the safety (it didn't even look like Brady was looking where he was throwing it) and the INT thrown down the field to a hobbled Gronk, I couldn't help but think TB looks a little like Brett Favre at times. If they won the game, Brady would be getting all the accolades, so I think it's fair to call him out when they lose. Great quarterbacks are great when it matters. Brady wasn't.

That said, the Giants played well and got some luck as well. Congratulations to them.

 

[letekro]

The defense did what they've done all year. They let up lots of yards and let the other team stay on the field too much. They held their own at times. But they didn't get the turnovers. To me this is one of the areas that really lost the game. If they fall on one of those fumbles they probably win the game and we are talking about how gritty they were.

Props to Gronkowski for giving it a try, but he was clearly ineffective. He could barely get off the line, couldn't run full speed, and couldn't cut. I think our chances at the end of the game would have been better with a healthy Ocho or Edelman in there.

Here's where the flaming will come from some of you. This was lost as a team. Everyone played OK, but no one played great. I won't hang this loss on Brady, but between the INT thrown to Slater against Baltimore, the safety (it didn't even look like Brady was looking where he was throwing it) and the INT thrown down the field to a hobbled Gronk, I couldn't help but think TB looks a little like Brett Favre at times. If they won the game, Brady would be getting all the accolades, so I think it's fair to call him out when they lose. Great quarterbacks are great when it matters. Brady wasn't.

That said, the Giants played well and got some luck as well. Congratulations to them.

The defense's job is to force fumbles, the recovery aspect is mostly luck. How anyone can fault the defense is beyond me.

 

[Bella*chick]

There was that safety to start Pats 1st "Offensive" series. Then TD 9-0. Fumbles bouncing back to Giants. One taken away from Nics offsides. Drop balls. Brady heaving an INT down field when he could have ran right for good yardage eating clock and bein up. With all that said, Welker got open with a blown cover 2 coverage and dropped a ball he caught many times and that play at 20 with a TD Pats can possibly go up by 9 with clock going down. That drop was HUGE!

I wish he had run too. he had just escaped a sack. Incredible play and then he had to go and ruin it.

 

[Sparetire]

The defense's job is to force fumbles, the recovery aspect is mostly luck. How anyone can fault the defense is beyond me.

Usually i'll agree with you, but when you force 3 fumbels and recover none (that 12 man on field was a heartbreaker) its not about luck its about wasing your chances. our D was 3rd (if i remember correctly) in the NFL in aspect of TO and we had none of that in the SB, its alot harder to win like that.

 

[kpreh]

Re: Fairweather fans???

Oh great....the "I stand all game and cheer therefore I'm a real fan" thread.

Not that type of post at all--I yelled and screamed at them just like everybody else but today I'm still here and next year I'll be here too.


Oh and your comment is uncalled for my post has just as much right to be here as much as any other post and you have the right not to read it- I read the title of a post and choose if I want to read it you can do the same.

Geez I can't stand posters who say what you posted.

 

[PATSFTW]

Re: Fairweather fans???

I blame GIsele Bundchen for the patriots losing this game. GIsele has weakened Tom Brady and made him a metrosexual phaggot. He used to be incredible. Gisele has made him weak. Before Gisele, he was a 3 time SB winner and MVP. Now, he has lost 2 in a row to freaking ELI MANNING. PEYTON'S KID BROTHER. WHAT THE HELL IS GIONG ON HERE FOLKS. THIS SUPER MODEL HAS WHIPPED OUR QB LIKE AGASSI GOT WHIPPED BY BROOKE SHIELDS!

 

[tatepatsfan]

Re: Fairweather fans???

Who the heck is this PatsFTW? Just because you intentionally misspell an offensive word doesn't mean it isn't offensive.

You should be kicked out of the forum.

 

[IllegalContact]

Re: Fairweather fans???

team gets that far......begins the game looking like a bunch of idiots, only to have a lead they had no business having at halftime....to being 1 play away from winning this game (1 more 1st down would have sealed it for the pats)....to losing it?

to sit there and say 'oh well, no biggie', you'd have to be lobotomized.

17-12 the pats 3 and out
17-15 the pats 5 and turnover
17-15 one 1st down away from essentially putting the game away, but no


the offense (primarily brady) was the reason this team lost


I'm done with this game....its over.....moving onto the offseason and the draft

 

[strongside]

Re: Fairweather fans???

It doesn't matter. This organization is built on a strong foundation of fans who buy season tickets and fill the stadium. That will not change.

 

[FCB02062]

Going into sports media blackout for awhile, just like after these dbags beat the Patriots a few years ago. At least the Patriots don't have to play them again for another three years when they play the NFCE again. I really think the Patriots just can't beat that team. Welker's gotta make that catch - he makes it, pretty much game over.
At any rate, it was a good season. The Patriots were counted out many times all year, but they kept bouncing back and winning games. It's just an awful way to end a season. I know it's going to happen - someone in the media is going to start with "Brady's a choker, belichcik's a choker, the Patriots are chokers"....if anyone does that, I implore someone to give said media a giant punch in the face.

 

[PATSNUTme]

Re: I can't take this crap anymore.

That was my last game watched as a fan. I'd rather be a bad team that dosen't make it at all. Hell, if we had lost to the Ravens, and I saw that the Giants had won, I would have been relieved.

I hate the Mannings more than I hate anything in the world, especially Eli. He's good, but he's just SO lucky. Look at his final stats. Nothing great. And that team gets ALL the breaks (the two fumble recoveries.)

As someone with depression anyway, it's not mentally healthy for me to watch these games especially with the anti-Pats bias.

And as much as I hate to say it, Belichick is WAY overrated at this point in his career. What has he won since having a once in a lifetime team in the early 2000s? Coughlin owns him.

I can't place any blame on Brady. Not his best game, but he was on, and Welker should have caught that ball.

I realized, just stay away from football. The Pats are a ****tease of a team...getting THAT far, only to invent new ways to lose at the most important game of the season.

Like I said last night when I made that thread about not being able to take another heartbreaking Manning loss, I rather would have gotten blown out. I was svckered into thinking they were going to win.

And this isn't just "letting steam out." If it weren't for the pills I'm on, I'd likely be in the hospital over this. Not good for my health. Luckily, my cable is already uninstalled and going to basic cable (channels 2, 3, 5, 7 et all) tomorrow morning when the cable guy comes so don't have to hear the pats hatred and eli ballwashing.

This is singlehandedly the worst sports loss of my life, worse than 42. 42 we were outplayed completely. This game was ours for the taking if Welker makes a catch he makes 10 out of 10 times in the regular season. Don't give me that "It was a difficult catch" bs...Manningham made a much tougher catch in double coverage and he isn't half the receiver Welker is.

So adios Pats, good luck going 12-4 next year and losing in the playoffs again. No thanks.

Could you round up about 6-10 other fair weather fans and take them with you? It would be very much appreciated. Thanks!

 

[strongside]

Listen, I know ridley fumbled twice in his last to games, but the guy is too talented and explosive to not play.

 

[JMarr]

Listen, I know ridley fumbled twice in his last to games, but the guy is too talented and explosive to not play.

Exactly. You have that kind of weapon and don't use him. Any? Even after your best weapon is reduced to being a part-time decoy? Just wow.

 

[SirEatsALot]

A lot of people are going to blame Brady for the safety, and the interception or missing a wide open Branch, or Welker for missing a catch that he probably could have made, or the dropped passes at the end by basically every receiver, but I think it's on Belichick for allowing the Giants to score the touchdown that gave them the win. I know what he was trying to do, and even the Giants didn't want to take the touchdown he gave them, but I think the smart play would have been to keep them out of the endzone, which the Pats could have easily done, especially since the Giants didn't want to be there, and force them to kick a field goal to win. Here's my thinking, even at that distance, it's no chip shot. There's no such thing as a chip shot when the Super Bowl is on the line. They could miss, the Pats could block the kick, the snap could go over the holder's head, or the holder could fumble the snap, all these lead to a Pats win. A field goal at any range is no guarantee, but if you let them score, then you're playing catch up and you must have a touchdown to win. It was a gamble, and it lost. But it was a weird call either way, how do you explain to someone who's watching football for the first time why the team who is winning is allowing the other team to score the go ahead, and winning touchdown, and why that team didn't even want it?

 

[Keep Up With The Joneses]

The defense's job is to force fumbles, the recovery aspect is mostly luck. How anyone can fault the defense is beyond me.

Don't misunderstand me. I don't fault the defense. I thought they did a decent job. But it is still obvious they need upgrades. The inability to get off the field on third down really reared its head in this game. That said, they did their part. If one of those balls on the ground bounces differently, the Pats win.

 

[PatsFan2]

Gronk!

Brady escaped a wood be sack only to be reward by a haphazard attempt by Gronk to catch a ball over a LB he Dwarfs. Yes i know Gronk is hurt it was a broken play and he ran the route deep enough...why such a careless effort not even attempting to bat the ball down? I hope BB shows Gronk that tape and remind that sometimes the little things do matter ie... not given-up on a play...Steerling Moore knocking ball out of Lee Evans hands. It was the last Game of the season we are not playing next week. Gronk didn't play like a player who wanted it yesterday. He was in position to make a play and didn't try hard enough. The kid have to learn to lay it on the line he's a football player. I will forgive Welker for that drop but if he never ever gets a ring he has no one but himself to blame...it wasn't a perfect throw but it was catchable by Wes Welker's standards...the Giants made the plays when they had to and the Patriots didn't simple as that. I will be over this by Wednesday.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: Gronk!

Brady escaped a wood be sack only to be reward by a haphazard attempt by Gronk to catch a ball over a LB he Dwarfs. Yes i know Gronk is hurt it was a broken play and he ran the route deep enough...why such a careless effort not even attempting to bat the ball down? I hope BB shows Gronk that tape and remind that sometimes the little things do matter ie... not given-up on a play...Steerling Moore knocking ball out of Lee Evans hands. It was the last Game of the season we are not playing next week. Gronk didn't play like a player who wanted it yesterday. He was in position to make a play and didn't try hard enough. The kid have to learn to lay it on the line he's a football player. I will forgive Welker for that drop but if he never ever gets a ring he has no one but himself to blame...it wasn't a perfect throw but it was catchable by Wes Welker's standards...the Giants made the plays when they had to and the Patriots didn't simple as that. I will be over this by Wednesday.

Despite GRONK's protestations to the contrary, he was NOT 100% yesterday.

A healthy GRONK would have jumped as hard as he could to come up with that ball, and probably would have had it.

Unfortunately, as GRONK noted, given the way the ball landed and their positions, Blackburn had boxed him out, and he would have had a hard time replicating Moore's feat. He still tried, but the ball was just too far away.

 

[Keep Up With The Joneses]

Re: Gronk!

I'm not biting. I have no doubt Gronk was playing in a ton of pain. He played 44 snaps, and I believe did everything he could. He's achieved pantheon status in our household. After what we saw from this guy all season I refuse to believe he left anything on the field.

That said, he was clearly hampered and shouldn't have played nearly as much as he did. I would have preferred Ocho or Edelman, especially on the last drive.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: Gronk!

I'm not biting. I have no doubt Gronk was playing in a ton of pain. He played 44 snaps, and I believe did everything he could. He's achieved pantheon status in our household. After what we saw this guy all season I refuse to believe he left anything on the field.

That said, he was clearly hampered and shouldn't have played nearly as much as he did. I would have preferred Ocho or Edelman, especially on the last drive.

IIRC, on the last drive, GRONK was only on the field for the last play.

 

[Peachhead]

I'm in pain but much, much less than in SB42. Come to think of it. If it was me on defense with 20 seconds left trying to stop an offense at midfield who needs a TD, I'll put 12 guys on the field all day long. Takes time off the clock, you prevent any big play from happening because you have more guys on the field, and you only give up 5 yards for burning like 6 seconds.

Exactly what I was thinking. The penalty for that needs to be changed. Otherwise there's no reason for a defense _not_ to commit it several times in a row in the closing minutes of the game.

Something like give the offensive coach the choice of 5 yards or adding 10 or 15 seconds to the clock. At least in the last 2 minutes of the game or the half.