Ridley

[JJDChE]

Our running game isn't asked to carry the workload of this offense. It exists solely to keep defenses honest. We could probably throw the ball on every down and be just as good as we are, but we have the option to employ the running game and still gain 4ypc on average and we've been very good in goal to go situations running the ball.

We don't need any flashy yards, just enough to make you think "hey are they gonna pass or try to sneak in a run against our light package and gain a quick 5 yards?"

Are you trying to defend 2.6 ypc?

You're right that we don't ask the running game to carry the workload. We have a dominant passing attack. That makes BJGE's recent stretch at 2.66 ypc look even worse. Teams are playing pass first against us virtually 100% of the time and he's still barely getting past the LOS.

 

[Patspsycho]

Are you trying to defend 2.6 ypc?

You're right that we don't ask the running game to carry the workload. We have a dominant passing attack. That makes BJGE's recent stretch at 2.66 ypc look even worse. Teams are playing pass first against us virtually 100% of the time and he's still barely getting past the LOS.

From game #5 (Jets) to #11 (Philly), Ridley had a YPC of 2.66

So by your standards, we should also trash Ridley.

 

[Patspsycho]

Check your numbers and your facts. In 2010, they ran 28 times a game in. Vs the NYJ they ran 28 times.

BJGE ran 14 times a game and Woody 6 times a game. They flipped their carries because Woody is more elusive and can get to the outside better than BJGE. He also gave them more of an open field threat. In that game, combined they ran more than the reg season average.

Oh so you're speaking for BB?

His longest run was 11 yds. That pretty much sums it up.

Sums what up?

The playcalling would have been better if they had a running game that made the NYJ move closer to the line and not flood the middle of the field with defenders.

Then how come the playcalling suddenly got better in the 2nd half, especially the first drive which was all BJGE?

 

[JackBauer]

From game #5 (Jets) to #11 (Philly), Ridley had a YPC of 2.66

So by your standards, we should also trash Ridley.

You mean on those whopping 22 carries? And two games in there where he didn't get a carry at all?

 

[Patspsycho]

You mean on those whopping 22 carries? And two games in there where he didn't get a carry at all?

Uh-oh, I guess the trust wasn't there.

 

[strngplyr]

Are you trying to defend 2.6 ypc?

You're right that we don't ask the running game to carry the workload. We have a dominant passing attack. That makes BJGE's recent stretch at 2.66 ypc look even worse. Teams are playing pass first against us virtually 100% of the time and he's still barely getting past the LOS.

And you're putting emphasis on the back who wasn't the lead workhorse over that stretch to make your argument look good. You're also ignoring the other 3 running backs who have been active.

In our last 7 games we had:
KC - 35 rushes 157 yards 4.5ypc (Benny 20 rushes 4.0ypc)
PHI - 36 rushes 104 yards 2.9ypc (Benny 14 rushes 3.1ypc)
IND - 24 rushes 73 yards 3.0ypc (Ridley 8 rushes 4.1ypc)
WAS - 20 rushes 79 yards 4.0ypc (Woodhead 8 rushes 5.1ypc)
DEN - 36 rushes 141 yards 3.9ypc (Ridley 11 rushes 5.9ypc)
MIA - 31 rushes 119 yards 3.8ypc (Ridley 13 rushes 4.9ypc)
BUF - 29 rushes 138 yards 4.8ypc (Ridley 15 rushes 5.4ypc)
DEN - 30 rushes 146 yards 4.9ypc (Benny 13 rushes 2.2ypc)

Ok, so that's actually 8 games and the featured back because I grabbed the last 7 regular season games at first.

Outside of Philly and IND I don't see why you'd have an issue with those averages for a team that passes as well as we do.

I would also further justify Benny's ypc average dipping as he has primarily been the goal line back in recent weeks outside of Denver and has 6 touchdowns in the past 7 games.

Ben-Jarvus Green-Ellis hasn't been our featured back in the run game and he certainly isn't our only running back on the roster. You can't single out the RB with the worst ypc average over a certain stretch who has been working on mostly goal line duty and use that to sum up our running average.

 

[JackBauer]

Uh-oh, I guess the trust wasn't there.

Clearly not. Of course, the "lead back" managed a whopping 2.8 YPC over the same span so....yeah. Go BJGE!

 

[RobertWeathers]

Oh so you're speaking for BB?

I swear you think BJGE is the second coming of Corey Dillon. It's pretty obvious why they gave Woody more carries. Sorry you don't see it.

Sums what up?

That BJGE has difficulty evading would be tacklers and Woody has trouble breaking tackles because of his size. Are you serious with these questions?

Then how come the playcalling suddenly got better in the 2nd half, especially the first drive which was all BJGE?

What game are you referring to? 1st drive was 3 carries for 9 yds. In the whole 2nd 1/2 he had 5 for 22yds with a long of 9yds. Is that your idea of being an elusive, gamebreaking threat that forces defenses to respect the running game?

The playcalling was not that much better. At any rate, that kind of production is not something that forces the defense to respect the run as a legitimate threat.

 

[Patspsycho]

Clearly not. Of course, the "lead back" managed a whopping 2.8 YPC over the same span so....yeah. Go BJGE!

With a turf toe.

Ridley had no injury- what was his excuse?

 

[Patspsycho]

I swear you think BJGE is the second coming of Corey Dillon. It's pretty obvious why they gave Woody more carries. Sorry you don't see it.

Again, please point out to me where I wrote that.

How many times do I have to say it? BJGE is clearly not a superstar. I'm fine with that because our offense is always going to be pass first.

I understand he's let you and JJ down big time because he doesn't have a YPC of 10+ or hasn't ripped off a 87 yard run (is 53 yards good enough?), but I still believe he's an asset to the team.

 

[JackBauer]

With a turf toe.

Ridley had no injury- what was his excuse?

22 carries? I think that speaks for itself. As well as the fact that he's a rookie; everyone's RB binky-du-jour DeMarco Murray managed to put up some clunkers himself this year. Of course, BJGE has actually done worse since the Eagles game, so maybe it coincides with an aggravated injury? Lord, I hope so.

Look, as RW said, I know you think BJGE is the second coming, or something. He's a fine player to have around, but when it comes to RB ability his skills are right in the ballpark of being JAG caliber. So when some of us here openly root for Ridley to see more carries, it's not because we hate BJGE. It's because we can, and hopefully will, do better at the position. Simple as that.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Again, please point out to me where I wrote that.

You need to read your posts Patspsycho. You are knowledgeable about football but it seems that every time someone points out an inadequacy pertaining to the Pats running game or BJGE you get very defensive.

How many times do I have to say it? BJGE is clearly not a superstar. I'm fine with that because our offense is always going to be pass first.

Passing first is fine. Being able to run it as an way of offering playmaking and a legitimate threat to defenses thus helping the passing game in the process is another. Even the pass-happy 49er team of the 80s had very good RBs that they could use to soften up the D.

I understand he's let you and JJ down big time because he doesn't have a YPC of 10+ or hasn't ripped off a 87 yard run (is 53 yards good enough?), but I still believe he's an asset to the team.

State where I said I expect BJGE or any RB to have a ypc of 10.

BJGE or any RB on this roster is a player that defenses are fearful of because...

1) talent (Ridley looks the part but time will tell)
2) playcalling (obviously running 40 times and taking the ball out of Brady's hands is foolish which is why you need a legit threat when the passing offense isn't getting the job done)

I like BJGE too and am glad hes on the team but not someone I want to carry the ball 229 times a year.

 

[Patspsycho]

You need to read your posts Patspsycho. You are knowledgeable about football but it seems that every time someone points out an inadequacy pertaining to the Pats running game or BJGE you get very defensive.

Yes I'm going to defend BJGE because the guy came out of nowhere and made the best of his situation, he works his ass off, keeps his mouth shut and doesn't showboat and that's what I like. In the last two years he has given us 24 TDs and 1600 something yards and I just happen to think that's a solid contribution, even if you don't.

Now, if Ridley can give us 24 TDs, more than 1600 yards in the next two years without fumbling the football, then we can consider BJGE a JAG who just got lucky because he got in the right program.

How's that?

 

[VJCPatriot]

So the question is will Ridley be put away in the sock drawer for the Ravens game or will he be given a sizable role? He's one of the few backs we have that can take it wide to the edge and threaten the Ravens in one of their few weaknesses - Ray Lewis' lack of lateral agility.

 

[ausbacker]

Hardly surprising that this thread is being fed by the same few posters who seem to enjoy talking down the accomplishments of Green-Ellis.

 

[strngplyr]

Hardly surprising that this thread is being fed by the same few posters who seem to enjoy talking down the accomplishments of Green-Ellis.

Yup, kind of amazing how quickly he falls out of favor with the fans after having an injury effected season.

 

[JackBauer]

Hardly surprising that this thread is being fed by the same few posters who seem to enjoy talking down the accomplishments of Green-Ellis.

It's being fed just as much by those who take any attempt at an honest evaluation of the guy as tantamount to badmouthing their respective mothers. It's odd, but consistent... I'll give you guys that.

 

[ausbacker]

It's being fed just as much by those who take any attempt at an honest evaluation of the guy as tantamount to badmouthing their respective mothers. It's odd, but consistent... I'll give you guys that.

I have no issue passing judgement on Green-Ellis' rushing this season as he's clearly been affected by turf toe as the season has progressed. He's also got a touch of the Maroney's at present (which is annoying me). However, there are two specific posters who refuse to acknowledge strong points in his game, especially those that compare favourably against Ridley.

In the minds of these idiots, you have to denigrate one to like the other. That's simply not the case.

 

[JackBauer]

I have no issue passing judgement on Green-Ellis' rushing this season as he's clearly been affected by turf toe as the season has progressed. He's also got a touch of the Maroney's at present (which is annoying me). However, there are two specific posters who refuse to acknowledge strong points in his game, especially those that compare favourably against Ridley.

In the minds of these idiots, you have to denigrate one to like the other. That's simply not the case.

Fair enough, sir. Fair enough.

 

[patsinthesnow]

BJGES been awful since the toe injury, you don't want Ridley fumbling in the playoffs, solution?

Who needs them, Woodhead has finally come back to 2010 form!