OT: Norv Turner burns Rex Ryan

[JetsfaninPeace]

Jetfan 1 aka, Ray Ray, aka. Jetfanin peace, aka. jetfan 2, aka. Jetfan 3. Ake. FLAW BOY WEASEL, Implode begins at 1pm today. GO CHARGERS !! Nuff said :rocker: :rocker: :rocker:

haha, just got 1 name bud. But ya, huge game today, will make or break our season IMO.

 

[JetsfaninPeace]

Dude, who cares? You are what you are. You're 3-3, and your coach, whilst being a good play-caller, has issues. Coupled with a less than stellar supporting cast behind the starters, which is partly his problem, means things in NJ aren't great right now.

You should be used to it. But please, stop filling the board with nonsense. if you care that much, go and post on JI or Gang Green.

What nonsense? I haven't insulted anyone on this board. I enjoy talking with most of the Pats fans here. What does being 3-3 have to do with my original argument between me and another poster? Nothing.

You're not saying anything I don't already know. There are plenty of issues with this team right now. You mad bro?

 

[JaxPats]

They're aren't as bad as people make them out to be here (I only post on TGG, JI sucks IMO), but every board has its crappy posters (see, Joker). But I agree, I enjoy this board. I like bantering with opposing fans.

Arn't as bad? LMAO !! Illiterate inbred morons with dung for brains. Every post you make here you single out something or someone in some form of sacastic smirk. Joker called you out and won nitwit. Accept it like you should accept you baseless JET history of losing. See ya FLAW BOY. We can't wait for 1 pm. Oh yeah. Charger fan base just went up by tens of thousands :singing: have a nice day......

 

[Deus Irae]

They're aren't as bad as people make them out to be here (I only post on TGG, JI sucks IMO), but every board has its crappy posters (see, Joker ). But I agree, I enjoy this board. I like bantering with opposing fans. Even though Joker comes across strong in his posts, I enjoy trash talking with him. Its all in good fun.

I scan the boards of other teams. I have even found 2 other team's boards worth setting up accounts and posting on. I say to you, with no malice, that both Jets boards are terrible. I grant you that JI is far worse than TGG, but that's just Timmy versus Jimmy.

You're absolutely right about every board having its posters who are at the bottom of the barrel. The problem with the Jets sites is that, for the most part, the bottom of the barrel is where almost all the posters are.

 

[JetsfaninPeace]

Arn't as bad? LMAO !! Illiterate inbred morons with dung for brains. Every post you make here you single out something or someone in some form of sacastic smirk. Joker called you out and won nitwit. Accept it like you should accept you baseless JET history of losing. See ya FLAW BOY. We can't wait for 1 pm. Oh yeah. Charger fan base just went up by tens of thousands :singing: have a nice day......

So all Jets posters are bad but Pats fans are all saints? Right. Saying everything is 'flawed' entitles you to supremacy over other posters.

What did Joker win? He named 5 coaches. I fail to see how being the 6th best at something through 2 seasons in the history of NFL quantifies one as being 'mediocre.'

 

[JoeSixPat]

The point that's missed is not what rex is saying about Norv, what is he saying about his team?

Since he has no rings, isn't he saying his players suck, since he would have had rings with San Diego?

Some reporter should call him on this.

Excellent point.

Imagine a head coach who declares that he would have won a Super Bowl with another team after he guarantees his own team will win it two years in a row.

The obvious inference is that its Sanchez and the entire Jets team that's making poor Rex look bad by failing to come through on his guarantees.

Apparently I'm wrong - Rex isn't a one trick pony. He's abandonded his earlier promise that these Jets were Super Bowl caliber.

He's now gone the opposite route, openly stating his disrespect for their failings as players - after all, with good players there'd be no stopping Rex Ryan from collecting ring after ring.

It's a fairly bizarre approach to motivating players - however our friendly Jets visitor is no doubt convinced its a sign of genius.

 

[JetsfaninPeace]

I scan the boards of other teams. I have even found 2 other team's boards worth setting up accounts and posting on. I say to you, with no malice, that both Jets boards are terrible. I grant you that JI is far worse than TGG, but that's just Timmy versus Jimmy.

You're absolutely right about every board having its posters who are at the bottom of the barrel. The problem with the Jets sites is that, for the most part, the bottom of the barrel is where almost all the posters are.

O come on, Timmy and Jimmy are GREAT south park characters. I agree though. Appreciate the hospitality from you and others on this board save a few posters.

 

[JetsfaninPeace]

Excellent point.

Imagine a head coach who declares that he would have won a Super Bowl with another team after he guarantees his own team will win it two years in a row.

The obvious inference is that its Sanchez and the entire Jets team that's making poor Rex look bad by failing to come through on his guarantees.

Apparently I'm wrong - Rex isn't a one trick pony. He's abandonded his earlier promise that these Jets were Super Bowl caliber.

He's now gone the opposite route, openly stating his disrespect for their failings as players - after all, with good players there'd be no stopping Rex Ryan from collecting ring after ring.

It's a fairly bizarre approach to motivating players - however our friendly Jets visitor is no doubt convinced its a sign of genius.

Absolutely not a sign of genius (when did I say this?). I even admitted in one of my posts that calling out Norv was one of the dumbest things he' done since he's been here. I said getting wins consistently is a sign of a good head coach. His 'antics' IMO are secondary (how he gets the team to get those consistent wins).

Definitely a bizarre way of motivating players. There are various forms of motivation. Did you watch Hard Knocks? I thought he came across great (albeit the swearing) in getting players to want to play for him.

 

[Deus Irae]

O come on, Timmy and Jimmy are GREAT south park characters. I agree though. Appreciate the hospitality from you and others on this board save a few posters.

I love those characters. I just didn't want to hear from the PC police if I used the episode title. That would have taken the thread a bit too far afield for my tastes.

 

[shmessy]

What nonsense? I haven't insulted anyone on this board. I enjoy talking with most of the Pats fans here. What does being 3-3 have to do with my original argument between me and another poster? Nothing.

You're not saying anything I don't already know. There are plenty of issues with this team right now. You mad bro?

"Plenty of issues? Is the 'ceiling too high'??? Need to lower it?????

BTW, BJGE ("nothing special" 27 for 136 and 2 TD's against your Ryan Defense) says hi.

 

[Ring 6]

Just to refute your points with actual statistical analysis instead of your irrational point of view:

Sean Paytons first 2 seasons>>17-15, with 1 playoff victory
Mike Tomlin is one I was referring too when I mentioned 'on one hand,' since he won a Super Bowl in his 2nd season and made the playoffs in the first.
Jim Caldwell>>24-8 with a SB loss and a WC loss, 2 playoff victories, while playing with the best QB (or 2nd best) in the game.
Rex>>>20-12, 4 playoff victories all on the road.

If you think Payton had a more successful first 2 years than Rex then I just question your overall intelligence in general. Also, I don't think anyone with a brain would take Caldwell over Rex. Everyone knows its 'Mannings' team.

So again I'll wait for you to refute my statement, which again you won't be able to do.

This is an incredibly narrow view. And it ignores many factors that punch many holes in your conclusion.

First, if you are basing the HCs job on results (which you are because you are eliminating any HCs without as many wins (more on that later) )then you cannot scapegoat by who the QB is. The QB is not the team.
Secondly your Rex vs Caldwell RESULTS argument is silly too.
Getting to the SB one year and knocked out in the first round the next is better than losing in AFCC twice. The 4 to 3 playoff wins is only because you ignore the Colts earning a bye. The Colts were a more successful team on 09 and 10 than the Jets, and there is no question.

Third, you are claiming success vs every coach in history based upon 2 6th seed playoff berths. For many, many, many years the 6th place team wouldn't even make the playoffs. So you cannot make that comparison to all HCs.

Fourth, earning a 6th seed and losing in the playoffs 2 years in a row is a hollow accomplishment if you never build upon it. It is very reasonable to suggest that last year was the peak, and that the shenanigans he used to get the team to the last playoff spot and having some level of success has diminsihed the chance of future success. No thinking person can believe that if you work for someone who tells the world you are going to win, convinces you that you are better than you are, and then you fall short, there isn't going to be fallout, dissension and loss of respect.
After GUARENTEEING a SB win THIS YEAR what happens to the mentality of this team if they are sitting at 5-8? There will be a tremendous implosion, and the cause of that implosion is the very means to get the moderate success you are giving him so much credit for.

There is a long, long way to go to determine whether Ryan is a quality coach, or a gimmick who had 15 minutes of moderate success.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Definitely a bizarre way of motivating players. There are various forms of motivation. Did you watch Hard Knocks? I thought he came across great (albeit the swearing) in getting players to want to play for him.

Then we're in agreement that running your mouth off is not a sign of a good coach.

I think the moral of this story is that telling mediocre players they're great - Super Bowl great - may get them believing in themselves more in the short term, and may even result in some additional wins in the short term.

But in the long term it destroys that coaches credibility when he fails to deliver on his Super Bowl promise. (and Joe Namath would probably agree)

Now we have Rex effectively abandondining his approach to tell the players they're better than they are.

We have him selfishly stating that he's a Super Bowl caliber coach but his players are not.

Aside from the 180 degree turnabout in his approach to team psychology, I don't think one can expect his players to believe anything they hear come out of his mouth at this point.

That's the long term consequence of making delusional statements, either about the Jets status as a Super Bowl caliber team, or his own delusional statements about his own status as a Super Bowl caliber coach with someone else's squad.

 

[Ring 6]

Then we're in agreement that running your mouth off is not a sign of a good coach.

I think the moral of this story is that telling mediocre players they're great - Super Bowl great - may get them believing in themselves more in the short term, and may even result in some additional wins in the short term.

But in the long term it destroys that coaches credibility when he fails to deliver on his Super Bowl promise. (and Joe Namath would probably agree)

Now we have Rex effectively abandondining his approach to tell the players they're better than they are.

We have him selfishly stating that he's a Super Bowl caliber coach but his players are not.

Aside from the 180 degree turnabout in his approach to team psychology, I don't think one can expect his players to believe anything they hear come out of his mouth at this point.

That's the long term consequence of making delusional statements, either about the Jets status as a Super Bowl caliber team, or his own delusional statements about his own status as a Super Bowl caliber coach with someone else's squad.

Good point here, that the fallout of these comments isn"t what he is saying about Turner, but that he is saying HE would have A COUPLE of rings if he got that job, so he has done a good enough job to earn them but his players have let him down, something the Chargers players wouldn't have done.
That should get more play than the slight to Turner.

 

[Joker]

This JFIP cant count...eight is eight...he named the parameters...then he tries to squirm out of it by changing up...just as I said he would...this is Ray Ray 19

 

[JaxPats]

hey Ray Ray.....Its half time, Im smelling smoke......... Jets,,Ending,. The,. Season,............. Today. :singing:

 

[JetsfaninPeace]

hey Ray Ray.....Its half time, Im smelling smoke......... Jets,,Ending,. The,. Season,............. Today. :singing:

Care to revise your statement?

 

[JetsfaninPeace]

This is an incredibly narrow view. And it ignores many factors that punch many holes in your conclusion.

First, if you are basing the HCs job on results (which you are because you are eliminating any HCs without as many wins (more on that later) )then you cannot scapegoat by who the QB is. The QB is not the team.
Secondly your Rex vs Caldwell RESULTS argument is silly too.
Getting to the SB one year and knocked out in the first round the next is better than losing in AFCC twice. The 4 to 3 playoff wins is only because you ignore the Colts earning a bye. The Colts were a more successful team on 09 and 10 than the Jets, and there is no question.

Third, you are claiming success vs every coach in history based upon 2 6th seed playoff berths. For many, many, many years the 6th place team wouldn't even make the playoffs. So you cannot make that comparison to all HCs.

Fourth, earning a 6th seed and losing in the playoffs 2 years in a row is a hollow accomplishment if you never build upon it. It is very reasonable to suggest that last year was the peak, and that the shenanigans he used to get the team to the last playoff spot and having some level of success has diminsihed the chance of future success. No thinking person can believe that if you work for someone who tells the world you are going to win, convinces you that you are better than you are, and then you fall short, there isn't going to be fallout, dissension and loss of respect.
After GUARENTEEING a SB win THIS YEAR what happens to the mentality of this team if they are sitting at 5-8? There will be a tremendous implosion, and the cause of that implosion is the very means to get the moderate success you are giving him so much credit for.

There is a long, long way to go to determine whether Ryan is a quality coach, or a gimmick who had 15 minutes of moderate success.

Very, very solid points. I guess in the end I was trying to show that not many coaches have done what Rex has done in their first 2 seasons. I also disagree at the hollow accomplishment. 2 straight AFCE champ games is impressive no matter what. Does it suck we didn't make the SB and win it? Absolutely. I still haven't gotten over last year. It doesn't degrate what you previously did though, unless you just have a more cynical point of view (which is understandable since the Pats win super bowls, and we don't) about judging accomplishments.

 

[jcdavey]

rex 2

norv 0

 

[JetsfaninPeace]

This JFIP cant count...eight is eight...he named the parameters...then he tries to squirm out of it by changing up...just as I said he would...this is Ray Ray 19

You named 6 (unless you believe Belichick and Peyton had better first 2 seasons despite one playoff appearance and a few losing records). My argument was on one hand, that I misjudged by forgetting a few head coaches, so you were right in that respect. Even with that, its still beyond impressive that in the history of the NFL, only a handful of coaches have produced better than Rex in their first 2 years as HC. Even you would have to be hardpressed to admit that.

 

[goheels22002]

Big loss for the Chargers. Tie breaker implications all over this one.

The good news is that there are only two teams left in the AFC with one loss: the Patriots and the Baltimore Ravens.