Hernandez, Vollmer, Wright out; Chung Questionable for Week 3 Pats at Bills

[Deus Irae]

Re: Week 3 Pats at Bills Injury Updates: Chung Out

While I do agree that the Pats are not in a good situation at safety - even before Chung's injury - I think the characterization that the Pats have the worst safeties in the NFL may be a bit over the top.

You don't "see any"?

Unless one has already taken the time and effort to objectively study and evaluate all 150 or so NFL players that play the position - which I doubt has happened - then I don't understand how you can come to that conclusion.

What NFL teams do you think have a worse safety group than the New England Patriots?

 

[Ron Sellers]

Re: Week 3 Pats at Bills Injury Updates: Chung Out

What NFL teams do you think have a worse safety group than the New England Patriots?

I don't have an opinion, which is what my point was. I don't know enough about the safeties playing in Seattle, Kansas City, Arizona, Carolina or Atlanta for example to come any conclusion on how the Pats safeties compare to the safeties on those teams - and I'm confident that the Pats fan in PA has not considered that either.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Week 3 Pats at Bills Injury Updates: Chung Out

I don't have an opinion, which is what my point was. I don't know enough about the safeties playing in Seattle, Kansas City, Arizona, Carolina or Atlanta for example to come any conclusion on how the Pats safeties compare to the safeties on those teams - and I'm confident that the Pats fan in PA has not considered that either.

Reading his comment, he doesn't need to have seen every team in the NFL.

Is there a team that has a worse group of safeties than we have right now?

Question posed

I don't see any

Response noting he's not seen any, but not saying that there aren't any.

Given that, have you seen any team in the NFL, this year, with a worse group of safeties than the Patriots?

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: Week 3 Pats at Bills Injury Updates: Chung Out

I don't have an opinion, which is what my point was. I don't know enough about the safeties playing in Seattle, Kansas City, Arizona, Carolina or Atlanta for example to come any conclusion on how the Pats safeties compare to the safeties on those teams - and I'm confident that the Pats fan in PA has not considered that either.

Do you really think there is a worse group than Barrett,Brown and Ihegdibo who is a STer more than a safety?

I don't have to go look deep at the other 31 teams.....it's pretty self explanatory......these 3 safeties are in reality backups that slot receivers and tight ends will drool over if Chung is out longer than just this week.

I think Tommy is going to have to continue putting 30 on the board until we get some guys back.

 

[BendButDontBreak37]

Re: Week 3 Pats at Bills Injury Updates: Chung Out

Again, Sharper.....sign the beast

 

[DarrylS]

Re: Week 3 Pats at Bills Injury Updates: Chung Out

A lot of teams have looked at Sharper, but there are no takers, so there has to be more to this picture than meets the eye...

Safety has been an achilles heal for us for a couple of years now, last year there was continual complaining about Meriweather.. this year it is injuries.

Hopefully, Chung can return by week 4 and contribute against the Jets.

 

[supafly]

Re: Week 3 Pats at Bills Injury Updates: Chung Out

A lot of teams have looked at Sharper, but there are no takers, so there has to be more to this picture than meets the eye...

I keep saying the same exact thing.

It must have been one hell of an injury, for him to have had such a great career where he hardly ever missed a game for 12+ yrs, had 9 INT's THREE times, and had such a great yr as recent as 2009.

I really think that he just never made it back from the injury, b/c DEN hardly even looked at him the other day (Tuesday). They promptly put him right back on the plane, and quickly said that he was just there for a shape and injury rehab look, or something to that effect (paraphrasing).

If he were anything close to the player of '09, he'd probably never made it out of New Orleans, let alone be shot down by 1/2 dozen teams--especially after week 1.

 

[FalconHeavy]

Re: Week 3 Pats at Bills Injury Updates: Chung Out

And there it goes... what really stings is that last week all the starting safeties we released STARTED for falcons, eagles & Bears

as some one asked, do we even have a next man at safety position

 

[Mack Herron]

Re: Week 3 Pats at Bills Injury Updates: Chung Out

Interesting though that with only 3 safeties he signed another CB this week. I expect a balanced Buffalo offense with healthy dose of Fred Jackson this week.

 

[Froob]

Re: Week 3 Pats at Bills Injury Updates: Chung Out

Probably should of at least kept Sanders considering they aren't using that cap room.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Week 3 Pats at Bills Injury Updates: Chung Out

Chung is out this week. Doesn't mean he won't be back next week. A broken thumb is not necessarily something that will keep him out for an extended period of time. The fact that the Pats haven't been looking for replacements tells me that he will not be out long.

 

[Ron Sellers]

Re: Week 3 Pats at Bills Injury Updates: Chung Out

Reading his comment, he doesn't need to have seen every team in the NFL.

Question posed


Response noting he's not seen any, but not saying that there aren't any.

Given that, have you seen any team in the NFL, this year, with a worse group of safeties than the Patriots?

I interpreted that to be a rhetorical question, and based on his response that appears to be accurate.

Do you really think there is a worse group than Barrett,Brown and Ihegdibo who is a STer more than a safety?

I don't have to go look deep at the other 31 teams.....it's pretty self explanatory......these 3 safeties are in reality backups that slot receivers and tight ends will drool over if Chung is out longer than just this week.

I think Tommy is going to have to continue putting 30 on the board until we get some guys back.

As I said previously I don't know because I haven't done a thorough analysis of the 31 other teams safeties. But off the top of my head I would venture to guess that the Chiefs, who are without Eric Berry for the entire season (as opposed to Chung only being out for a week or two) are worse off at safety than the Pats are. I'm not saying that unit is the reason KC has given up over 40 points in back-to-back games, but I'm confident it is a contributing factor.

I do not disagree that the Pats are in a dire situation at the safety position in general and specifically this week, playing on the road against an explosive offense. The coaching staff will need to be very creative in their game plan to cover up this deficiency.

However in my opinion I do think it is rather presumptuous to jump to the conclusion that the Pats safeties are the worst in the league. I find it somewhat similar to people declaring the Pats are horrible at drafting because one or two picks did not work out, but don't bother to compare the entire drafting records versus that of other teams or the league as a whole.

The Pats are weak at safety. But I will stick to my opinion that declaring them to be the worst in the league is over the top and most likely an inaccurate assessment.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Re: Week 3 Pats at Bills Injury Updates: Chung Out

There had to be a different reason than cap $ considerations to cut Sanders. Pats have plenty of cap and have paid $ where they could afford the cap to have credible backups. Could BB have over reacted to his limp tackle in pre-season? Hard to believe. This "unforced error" could be a management goof that has potential to destroy the season.

 

[BadMoFo]

Re: Week 3 Pats at Bills Injury Updates: Chung Out

Is Chung really out? He's practicing today with a cast on.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Re: Week 3 Pats at Bills Injury Updates: Chung Out

we're gonna roll with Sergio Brown and Barrett. Well it could be worse, it's not like we just signed these guys off the streets.... right?

 

[SanAngeloState]

Re: Week 3 Pats at Bills Injury Updates: Chung Out

I think BB could take an intelligent CB who likes to tackle and turn him into a decent safety pretty easily. There's probably a reason why safeties don't get drafted very highly.

I doubt our guys are much below par. For one thing they are just getting some experience back there and still learning. They'll have it down quickly, I'd bet. If he got rid of SAnders and Meriweather, he must know what he's doing...almost by definition this year's crew has to be better than that.

 

[Rob0729]

Vollmer, Hernandez, and Wright out, Chung Questionable for Sunday

I just heard on WEEI that Vollmer, Hernandez, and Wright are definitely out for Sunday. Chung is listed as questionable.

Tom E Curran did say that he is sticking by his 4-6 week estimate for Hernandez, but he said it will be more likely be 4 than 6. He did say that Hernandez will not be available for the Jets game and seemed pretty definite about it.

He is looking like he may be wrong about his Chung being out on Sunday (or at least it isn't as definitive as he and Rapaport reported). So take his Hernandez estimate for what it is worth.

 

[Kid~Brady]

Re: Vollmer, Hernandez, and Wright out, Chung Questionable for Sunday

I was just about to post this.

I was listening too and I could have sworn that he was supposedly out since he just had the thumb surgery.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Re: Vollmer, Hernandez, and Wright out, Chung Questionable for Sunday

Too lazy to look it up, is Vollmer's injury the same one that kept him out of week 1?

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Vollmer, Hernandez, and Wright out, Chung Questionable for Sunday

I was just about to post this.

I was listening too and I could have sworn that he was supposedly out since he just had the thumb surgery.

Curran is already backing off his Chung estimate by using basically saying he can only go with what the sources tell him and that he goes with the information he has "at that time". Of course Holley and Big O are giving him a lot of crap about it.