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I'm hearing rumors on Indy message boards- Peyton to IR


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IMO they will IR him only if the team physicians rule out any possibility of him playing in January. That's a player you carry a dead roster spot for, even if there's only a small chance he'll return.

This is pretty much exactly how I interpreted Irsay's "finest hour" tweet.
 
I was going to reply he's fine just can't play football, but then I went and checked the link in King's piece this AM...

I was just about to do the same based on this article, which mentions nothing about physical disability.
 
I wonder what rule change Polian is proposing to adjust for Manning's loss...
 
I wish Manning nothing but the best on his road to recovery. On another side of the story, though, things would certainly be interesting if he never played a down after signing that contract.
 
I wish Manning nothing but the best on his road to recovery. On another side of the story, though, things would certainly be interesting if he never played a down after signing that contract.

I predict a rule change if thaat happens
 
IMO they will IR him only if the team physicians rule out any possibility of him playing in January. That's a player you carry a dead roster spot for, even if there's only a small chance he'll return.

I forgot to add that my other reason for the Colts putting him on IR is that if they do so before the regular season, they should save a sizable sum by doing so, and I believe that it counts towards the cap.
 
I forgot to add that my other reason for the Colts putting him on IR is that if they do so before the regular season, they should save a sizable sum by doing so, and I believe that it counts towards the cap.
Why? A player who's placed on IR during preseason is still due his entire salary for the year.
 
I forgot to add that my other reason for the Colts putting him on IR is that if they do so before the regular season, they should save a sizable sum by doing so, and I believe that it counts towards the cap.

Not true. Full amount counts whether you're on IR or active in week 1. Only changes if you are released with an injury settlement, and hell will freeze over before that happens...

Manning's roster bonus may be tied to being on the roster in week 1, but that's a drop in the bucket. And if it is it calls into question the claims that he was guaranteed $48.5M when he signed the new deal... If we were paying attention to crappy crap stuff over the last year or so we all learned that there are guarantees and then there are guarantees...

He is due a $28M fully guaranteed option bonus on the 4th day of the 2012 league year.

Even if he can’t play, Peyton will get paid plenty | ProFootballTalk
 
I wish Manning nothing but the best on his road to recovery. On another side of the story, though, things would certainly be interesting if he never played a down after signing that contract.

Somewhere between $23.5-$53M would have to be accounted for on the cap between 2011 and 2013... His dead cap right now would be $20M ($16M in 2012) although after next March (4th day of the league year) it would catapult to $44M...
 
So, to my mind, the way that the Colts would deal with Peyton if it turns out that he can't play again, is to go after him in court. He signed that massive contract, but the question for the Colts is whether he knew how badly his recovery was going when he signed.

If he was less than forthright with the organization, then a case could be made for fraud and the dissolving of the contract. It likely wouldn't work, but you never know.

Irsay & Polian are exactly the sort of fellows who would do something like that, IMHO. :mad:
 
So, to my mind, the way that the Colts would deal with Peyton if it turns out that he can't play again, is to go after him in court. He signed that massive contract, but the question for the Colts is whether he knew how badly his recovery was going when he signed.

If he was less than forthright with the organization, then a case could be made for fraud and the dissolving of the contract. It likely wouldn't work, but you never know.

Irsay & Polian are exactly the sort of fellows who would do something like that, IMHO. :mad:
Isn't it the Colts responsibility to check out his health, not his to warn them?
I don't know how he could be sued since the team had every right to investigate as deeply as they wished before signing him.
 
Isn't it the Colts responsibility to check out his health, not his to warn them?
I don't know how he could be sued since the team had every right to investigate as deeply as they wished before signing him.

It is still, IIRC, the players responsibility to inform the team of any injury. If he withheld the true extent of his injury & recovery and then signed a contract under which he was expected to perform certain tasks which he knew or should have know he couldn't perform, then I'd say there would be grounds to sue.
 
It is still, IIRC, the players responsibility to inform the team of any injury. If he withheld the true extent of his injury & recovery and then signed a contract under which he was expected to perform certain tasks which he knew or should have know he couldn't perform, then I'd say there would be grounds to sue.
And the team's medical staff subsequently cleared him to practice - hell, he could argue that that caused his setback. There's no way the team can show that Manning should have known how his recovery would go, he doesn't have a crystal ball, either. Has a team ever sued a player for that?
 
It is still, IIRC, the players responsibility to inform the team of any injury. If he withheld the true extent of his injury & recovery and then signed a contract under which he was expected to perform certain tasks which he knew or should have know he couldn't perform, then I'd say there would be grounds to sue.
Well, he obviously informed them. I dont think its his responsibility to examine himself. Teams always give physicals. The team knew he had surgery.
Waiting to see how the healing goes to sign a multimillion dollar deal would seem to be the teams duty.
 
And the team's medical staff subsequently cleared him to practice - hell, he could argue that that caused his setback. There's no way the team can show that Manning should have known how his recovery would go, he doesn't have a crystal ball, either. Has a team ever sued a player for that?

I don't believe so. I'm just tossing out a "what if" to add to the discussion. My example comes from the look at how scr3wed the Colts would be salary-cap wise if they couldn't play Peyton, tanked the season and ended up with a high draft pick and the accompanying high salary to go with it.

I've posted elsewhere and often how foolish the Colts are to have not provided for the development of a journeyman back-up QB while also dumping truckloads of cash on Manning. Karma loves it when folks set themselves up in a precarious position. Irsay & Polian refused to look to the future, trying to win it all now and the future is suddenly here.

If they lose Manning and end up with a top-10 pick, what will they do? Their only hope of some sort of salary-cap relief is to either try and get the contract voided, or to trade out of the high draft pick and start what will perhaps be a long and painful rebuilding program.
 
A Houston fan had posted this over at Coltfreaks. Of course when he initially posted what was offered by a doctor who posts on the Texans board, his posts met with the usual response from the usual suspects. Sounds like one hell of a nail on the head assessment now though...

Originally Posted by gtexan02

Manning listed as doubtful. Arm strength is big problem
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/69...ikely-doutbful

Manning's triceps strength has plateaued and he doesn't have the arm strength right now, sources told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen. Manning also had some back soreness that worsened during the weekend.

Manning and the team are awaiting further evaluations from doctors and neurosurgeons regarding his condition. They will follow NFL protocol and will update his condition later in the week.

The Colts currently have no plans to attempt another surgery on Manning's neck, a source
told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

"As of now Peyton continues to deal with a complicated neurological recovery, the end date of which is unpredictable," the team said in the statement.


Some old posts of mine which were greeted with an element of skepticism, but seem to be playing out quite accurately.:

5/25/11:

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

Only about 4% of cervical spine injuries in the NFL are suffered by QBs. When a QB expects to be sacked, he usually takes a fetal like position, with his head tucked in. Any trauma, accidental or not, to the top of his head by a defensive player is enough to create a herniation of a cervical disc. Once it occurs once, it becomes more vulnerable to lesser trauma. If one level is treated, it can put more stress on the adjacent disc. It can act as a domino effect. If Manning had his 2nd non-invasive procedure on the same segment, he can probably expect to go on to an open cervical fusion procedure (ala Slaton) sometime in the future....... especially if he sustains further trauma to the area.


1 week ago:


Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

From what has come out of the Colts and Manning himself, Manning evidently has been trying to avoid surgery since 4 years ago when he first started having problems with his neck. He again waited until near the end of May to have his 2nd surgery after trying to rehab his neck himself. He could have opted to have this last surgery right after the 2010 season had ended. The longer you wait to decompress a cervical nerve which is under pressure, the greater the extent of the damage. When taken care of quickly, many times there is instant relief of the preoperatively noted problems. At one point in time though, the damage from chronic pressure can be such that the return of function is extremely slow (up to 2 years) and, unfortunately, sometimes ultimately incomplete. The other thing that needs to be kept in mind is that the "minimally-invasive" surgeries still may not have entirely eliminated the pressure on the nerve, and that he will soon require the more
major "open" fusion surgery to do so. Again, if this is the case, the longer he waits, theless predictable the return of function, despite adequate decompression of the nerve. Likewise, if he continues to traumatize the nerve through the decision to return to play, the situation certainly cannot become any lesser.

You can rehab a muscle with concentrated effort. But there is very little that can be done to hasten the rehab of a nerve. And, after all, it is the nerve that gives the muscle the signal to function. Poor nerve function will therefore, always result in poor muscle function.


1 week ago:

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

It has been reported that Manning had a compression of the C7 nerve root level. This nerve root controls the movement and the strength of the finger flexors, and the wrist flexors and the elbow extender. How do you throw a football if your hand can’t grip, your wrist can’t flex and your elbow can’t extend efficiently. You can compensate and throw a
football with a bum biceps ala Favre. But you aren’t ever going to look much better than a Pop Warner QB, with a bum triceps.


The recent back issues that Manning has been reported to have developed was predictable. When you have a significant triceps weakness, extending your elbow with any semblance of force is not possible. In order to compensate, a QB will automatically twist his body (back) toward the direction of the weak arm in order to gain additional forward momentum on the ball. Doing so continually places a great deal of undue stress on the back, resulting not only in a player with a weak arm....but now one also with a bad back
 
I don't believe so. I'm just tossing out a "what if" to add to the discussion. My example comes from the look at how scr3wed the Colts would be salary-cap wise if they couldn't play Peyton, tanked the season and ended up with a high draft pick and the accompanying high salary to go with it.

I've posted elsewhere and often how foolish the Colts are to have not provided for the development of a journeyman back-up QB while also dumping truckloads of cash on Manning. Karma loves it when folks set themselves up in a precarious position. Irsay & Polian refused to look to the future, trying to win it all now and the future is suddenly here.

If they lose Manning and end up with a top-10 pick, what will they do? Their only hope of some sort of salary-cap relief is to either try and get the contract voided, or to trade out of the high draft pick and start what will perhaps be a long and painful rebuilding program.
They have no case in a court of law, IMO, but the court of Goddell may decide new rules are needed.
 
A Houston fan had posted this over at Coltfreaks. Of course when he initially posted what was offered by a doctor who posts on the Texans board, his posts met with the usual response from the usual suspects. Sounds like one hell of a nail on the head assessment now though...
That certainly sounds career threatening to me
 
They have no case in a court of law, IMO, but the court of Goddell may decide new rules are needed.

Yes. That's the thing that troubles me most. It's the same way that they get all those "assists" in the competition committee. :cool:
 
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