Ingram at #17?

[patsfanboy]

Bill took McCourty last year when the spot wasn't considerate a need, so it is possible. Maimi COULD take him but not a 15, since they want a 2nd round pick that they gave for Marshall, so expect them to move down, they also need a QB as well. I much rather have a OLB or OT than anything since the draft is filled with good DEs, and don't forget that we have a 1000 yard runner on our team.

 

[jays52]

Drafting Ingram would give the team two BJGE's. Not the greatest athletes in the world, but pretty good running backs who play their position extremely well. They have a good zone back who contributes on 3rd in Woodie, and Faulk is likely up in the air. They need a good homerun back who can set up his blocks in the directional game and cut/burst in the zone game. It's really the only type of back they're missing and having such a back would lend further ambiguity to their two TE set.

Ingram= BJGE if he was on Alabama
Leshoure= Maroney^2

 

[Sciz]

Drafting Ingram would give the team two BJGE's. Not the greatest athletes in the world, but pretty good running backs who play their position extremely well. They have a good zone back who contributes on 3rd in Woodie, and Faulk is likely up in the air. They need a good homerun back who can set up his blocks in the directional game and cut/burst in the zone game. It's really the only type of back they're missing and having such a back would lend further ambiguity to their two TE set.

Anybody in particular that you like?

 

[reflexblue]

At 17? Yes. 33? no.

I agree 17 no, 28 or 33 yes.

 

[jays52]

Anybody in particular that you like?

No clue. I'll leave the actual legwork to you guys while I lurk, read, and research. Then I'll come up with a pseudo-snarky opinion that's basically in line with what the good posters think by mid march which I'll support with excessive terminology.

 

[CheeseMonkeys]

No, it isn't a foregone conclusion that Miami will select Ingram in the first round. But I would imagine that he and DeAngelo Williams are on their radar.

It isn't uncommon for those in the media and for fans to speculate about a team selecting a running back in the first round when that team is in dire need of help at the position. Running backs Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Patrick Cobbs, Lex Hilliard and Kory Sheets are free agents. So, as of now, fullbacks Lousaka Polite and Deon Anderson are the only running backs under contract in 2011.

Yeah, I would've to say that Miami could strongly consider selecting a running back with the fifteenth pick. Ingram's the popular choice but he isn't the only choice at the position. Ultimately, Tony Sparano will have a say on what direction the team goes in for running back.

Yeah I hear ya, but I'm just saying that I don't think he will be selected by the Dolphins with their 1st pick. I'm almost thinking there's going to be a team that will trade up for him and draft him even higher, similar to what happened to Ryan Matthews.

 

[dryheat44]

I'd much rather grab Deangelo Williams in free agency, myself. That would set up the draft to fall pretty much perfectly for me.

Wow...I couldn't agree less. To my thinking, it makes no sense to take a 28 year-old, constantly dinged-up RB and give him a big contract for the privilege. Williams, IIRC, was a four-year starter at Memphis, and has taken the lion's share of carries since. As good as he's been the last 5 years, his production isn't going to be worth the price tag going forward.

I'd rather take the 21 year old 2-year starter getting paid a rookie salary for four years. Lather, Rinse, and Repeat.

That being said, running back shouldn't even be a consideration at 17, and barely one at 28 & 33.

 

[MaineMan]

Wow...I couldn't agree less. To my thinking, it makes no sense to take a 28 year-old, constantly dinged-up RB and give him a big contract for the privilege. Williams, IIRC, was a four-year starter at Memphis, and has taken the lion's share of carries since. As good as he's been the last 5 years, his production isn't going to be worth the price tag going forward.

I'd rather take the 21 year old 2-year starter getting paid a rookie salary for four years. Lather, Rinse, and Repeat.

That being said, running back shouldn't even be a consideration at 17, and barely one at 28 & 33.

Agree with you on this 100%. Given the probable contract demands of guys who are truly likely to be allowed to walk by their current teams (like Williams), I'm really less than enamoured with our FA RB choices.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Maybe BB will take the highest rated player on his board at 17 regardless of position.... Just a thought...... If he doesn't feel anyone ranks that high he trades down. Honestly, I don't really see this year's draft a strong 1st round.

Or, of course, if he feels MULTIPLE players he ranks that highly are still on the board at 17, he'll probably trade down, too. . . .

 

[mcsully]

I'd much rather grab Deangelo Williams in free agency, myself. That would set up the draft to fall pretty much perfectly for me.

Agree

The ONE CONVICTION I will push for the next couple of months is our dire need to bring in a premium player at the RB position.

People might ask, "Don't you think the Law Firm is a solid player".. Yes but does he have the ability to take over a game when the defense is keying on Brady? I haven't seen it and its been almost 3 full seasons since we've had a RB who could take the rock and dictate the pace of the game.

Look at it this way.. A running back of D. Williams talent would help ..

1. A legit play maker who can take the rock to the goal on every play
2. Take the pressure off Brady when teams focus on Brady
3. He's got great hands where if Brady checks from under center to shot gun, DW can slide over and can block, run a draw or catch out of the backfield.
4. He's in a system now where J. Stewart and him share the ball.. Very similar if he came here.. BJGE and he would split the carries.. He's a back in the last 3 out of 4 years averaged 5 ypc..
5. AND THE MAJOR REASON.. The addition of DW along with BJGE/Woodley dictates the flow, eats up time and helps out our young defense.. Want to limit their exposure? Best way to do it, limit the times the defense is out on the field.

Saying that, I would not break the bank for him but I wouldn't expect a vet minimum contract.. As DRYHEAT44 pointed out, he's 27 turning 28 in 2 months and is coming off an injury.. But remember in his 1st two years he only carried the ball part time (less wear and tear).. Kind of reminds me of a Thomas Jones..

 

[MaineMan]

Agree

The ONE CONVICTION I will push for the next couple of months is our dire need to bring in a premium player at the RB position.

People might ask, "Don't you think the Law Firm is a solid player".. Yes but does he have the ability to take over a game when the defense is keying on Brady? I haven't seen it and its been almost 3 full seasons since we've had a RB who could take the rock and dictate the pace of the game.

Look at it this way.. A running back of D. Williams talent would help ..

1. A legit play maker who can take the rock to the goal on every play
2. Take the pressure off Brady when teams focus on Brady
3. He's got great hands where if Brady checks from under center to shot gun, DW can slide over and can block, run a draw or catch out of the backfield.
4. He's in a system now where J. Stewart and him share the ball.. Very similar if he came here.. BJGE and he would split the carries.. He's a back in the last 3 out of 4 years averaged 5 ypc..
5. AND THE MAJOR REASON.. The addition of DW along with BJGE/Woodley dictates the flow, eats up time and helps out our young defense.. Want to limit their exposure? Best way to do it, limit the times the defense is out on the field.

Saying that, I would not break the bank for him but I wouldn't expect a vet minimum contract.. As DRYHEAT44 pointed out, he's 27 turning 28 in 2 months and is coming off an injury.. But remember in his 1st two years he only carried the ball part time (less wear and tear).. Kind of reminds me of a Thomas Jones..

Can't disagree with the need for a premium RB, or with how you define such a player. I, personally, just don't see DeAngelo Williams as being "that guy." Or Ingram or Leshoure, for that matter.

The best I think we can hope for this off-season is some relatively cheap, fresh legs who can provide a little more dimension to the ground game - maybe an inside guy who can manage an occasional second cut at the second level (who can also catch), or a guy with enough speed to turn the corner once in awhile who's substantial enough not to go down on first contact, or maybe a true FB who can catch very well and run a bit in addition to being a stellar blocker for BGE and Woody.

In any case, with it seeming likely that the draft happens before FA, I don't think the Pats will be counting on acquiring any FA RBs and that their board will reflect this. If they come up with a pick that seems satisfactory, I'm doubtful they sign a relatively expensive FA after that.

 

[mcsully]

Can't disagree with the need for a premium RB, or with how you define such a player. I, personally, just don't see DeAngelo Williams as being "that guy." Or Ingram or Leshoure, for that matter.

I'm not going to pound my chest on D Williams but considering defenses key on the Carolina Panthers running game and he still averages 5 ypc, I'd be curious to see how he works with Brady.

I know nothing on Leshoure and Ingram pounding in college concerns me regarding his longevity in the NFL..

 

[dryheat44]

I'm not going to pound my chest on D Williams but considering defenses key on the Carolina Panthers running game and he still averages 5 ypc, I'd be curious to see how he works with Brady.

I know nothing on Leshoure and Ingram pounding in college concerns me regarding his longevity in the NFL. Leshoure had less.

Ingram's had less than two years of sharing carries, correct? Leshoure's had even less than that. Williams had four years of primary ballcarrier in college, plus five years of part-time to full-time carries with the Panthers.

You shouldn't be worrying about Leshoure's and Ingram's pounding.

 

[Coach42]

I haven't heard too many people mention Ryan Williams out of V Tech or Dion Lewis out of Pitt. I like both later.

 

[mcsully]

Ingram's had less than two years of sharing carries, correct? Leshoure's had even less than that. Williams had four years of primary ballcarrier in college, plus five years of part-time to full-time carries with the Panthers.

You shouldn't be worrying about Leshoure's and Ingram's pounding.

Honestly I'm not a huge college football guy, until the other day I didn't even know Leshoure.. So don't put money on it but Ingrams style of running is brutal. And after 2.5 seasons and 572 touches, I'm not feeling the vibe, esp at 17.. I feel our needs are bigger else where.. And feel bringing in a D Williams is a better solution.. Use the 3 picks on OL/DL/LB.. Add depth..

 

[littlebucky12]

There is no way Miami would draft Ingram at 17, yeah they might get a running later in the draft but that would be a dumb pick considering they already have Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams. So I say yes, draft either Ingram or Leshoure. This year a lot of teams (Jets, Browns, Pack) were playing the coverage heavy with only a couple of rushers to stop Danny Woodhead or to get to Brady which is why I think we need a running back who can go the distance consistently to set up a more effective passing game.

Go Pats!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[patchick]

There is no way Miami would draft Ingram at 17, yeah they might get a running later in the draft but that would be a dumb pick considering they already have Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams.

FYI, the reason everybody's projecting them to go RB is that Brown and Williams are both free agents.

 

[meggett]

You never know. Miami could end up with Ricky Williams, Ronnie Brown or both. Not to sure why everyone has Miami going RB, last time i checked Chad Henne Wasnt setting the league on fire. I hope that NE goes RB with one of those 1st rounders. I like Leshoure and Ingram. As a Pats fan, the draft is one big build up leading up to it, and one huge letdown when they keep trading out of the picks. I get trading down every once and awhile. but what good are the future 1st round picks if we never use them? A RB in the 1st round is a luxury pick that i believe only good teams can make. We cant expect brady to carry the offense every year. on 4th and one i would love to be able to run the ball to kill the clock (colts game 2009 anybody?) We need a playmaker at RB, like we had with Dillon.

Draft: Ingram or Leshoure

Free Agency (if there is a free agency period): Ronnie Brown or Pierre Thomas

 

[jaydeep]

No....Stevan Ridley, L.S.U. in Rd. 5.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Bill is drafting my next binky ... Noel Devine.

He could be the next Devin Hester ... seriously.