Dungy takes another shot at Brady/BB...

[MoLewisrocks]

what part is classless? what part is disgusting?

why is it classless? Why is it disgusting?

Because it's not PC. That's often the cry when you return volley of amazingly insecure glass house residents who persist in launching stones in the direction of others they perceive as enemeis or competitors...particularly someone who never rises to the bait.

Probably the most un-christian thing about the quiet fraud is his near consuming jealousy driven loathing of the best HC in his generation... His empathetic assessments of the toadies from his own so called tree just underscore his obvious agenda.

In 2006 Colts fans were ready to move on from Mr. one and done as did Tampa before them, and the man himself was hinting at retiring to a higher calling... It's really unfortunate greed consumed our #1 WR and Rodney went down late in that season and the flu bug struck when it did or he just might have left...empty handed.

 

[ausbacker]

I feel bad for replying here because the last time I replied to a thread, it was also in response to something you (ausbacker) wrote. Sorry mate, not trying to pick on you!!

But I don't understand your comment above. The guy gets paid to analyze and give his opinion. His *job* now is to say what he thinks. But when he speaks, people in this forum get all in a tizzy, not just for *what* he said, but also *that* he said it at all.

Bottom line: he's still pretty tame (and "quiet") compared to most of the guys on various NFL shows.

I don't get the hate in here for Dungy. He's obviously a very good coach (or was, at least). I mean, his record is ridiculously good:

- 139-69 record (.668)
- 1 Super Bowl title
- With Indy, 7 straight seasons with 10+ wins, including 6 straight with 12+ wins.
- 11 out of his 13 seasons he made the playoffs

If, in 1997, the Pats hired a coach that would put up that kind of record, we'd have been thrilled beyond belief. Thankfully, they hired someone even better, but that's a damned good coaching record.

You'll realize the irony in your post by the mantra Tony Dungy apparently lives by. His words and mantra... not mine.

I'm picking up a distinct tinge that follows you across boards ivanvamp.

 

[ivanvamp]

You'll realize the irony in your post by the mantra Tony Dungy apparently lives by. His words and mantra... not mine.

I'm picking up a distinct tinge that follows you across boards ivanvamp.

His mantra maybe...but his job now is to make a living giving his opinion. That's what he's doing. He's not being outrageous about it.

And what's the "distinct tinge" of mine?

 

[ausbacker]

His mantra maybe...but his job now is to make a living giving his opinion. That's what he's doing. He's not being outrageous about it.

And what's the "distinct tinge" of mine?

You're seriously suggesting, given Dungy's presentation style and less than colorful commentary that now he has crossed the floor that should be thrown by the wayside and we should adopt this "new and polarizing" Tony Dungy. I don't buy it.

Tebow and Dungy. There's a theme.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

what part is classless? what part is disgusting?

why is it classless? Why is it disgusting?

You can't be serious

 

[Keegs]

You can't be serious

100% serious.

explain it please.

 

[ivanvamp]

You're seriously suggesting, given Dungy's presentation style and less than colorful commentary that now he has crossed the floor that should be thrown by the wayside and we should adopt this "new and polarizing" Tony Dungy. I don't buy it.

All I'm saying is that his job now is to give his opinion on things related to the NFL. He's doing it, but he's not doing it in an outrageous fashion like many others do. So if that's his job, should he *not* be giving his opinion on things?

Tebow and Dungy. There's a theme.

Yes. Both are football players that have been criticized in this group recently for being "holier than thou", which I find to be ridiculous.

In the past couple of months or so, here are some people that I've talked about in a positive way:

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Tony Dungy
Tim Tebow
Rex Ryan
Kurt Warner
Vincent Jackson

So....what's the "theme" with this group of people? Or are you just totally focused on the Christian angle, which would mean that it is *you* with the theme, and not me?

 

[ausbacker]

All I'm saying is that his job now is to give his opinion on things related to the NFL. He's doing it, but he's not doing it in an outrageous fashion like many others do. So if that's his job, should he *not* be giving his opinion on things?



Yes. Both are football players that have been criticized in this group recently for being "holier than thou", which I find to be ridiculous.

In the past couple of months or so, here are some people that I've talked about in a positive way:

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Tony Dungy
Tim Tebow
Rex Ryan
Kurt Warner
Vincent Jackson

So....what's the "theme" with this group of people? Or are you just totally focused on the Christian angle, which would mean that it is *you* with the theme, and not me?

Not really, I just don't agree with your general points of view.

 

[ivanvamp]

Not really, I just don't agree with your general points of view.

That's cool...well-meaning people can disagree.

But you hinted that I have some sort of agenda (i.e., the "distinct tinge" of mine), and you suggested that it's related to the religious views of Tebow and Dungy (even though I never mentioned Dungy's religious views until my last post). Since I posted seven football people that I've spoken about in a positive way recently, and most of them aren't Christians, it kills your argument. That you chose to focus on two that are Christians says more about your agenda than it does mine, for what appear to be obvious reasons: you don't like Christians for some reason (I have no idea why you don't, but that's your business).

And that's ok too...you are completely welcome to that point of view.

 

[ausbacker]

That's cool...well-meaning people can disagree.

But you hinted that I have some sort of agenda (i.e., the "distinct tinge" of mine), and you suggested that it's related to the religious views of Tebow and Dungy (even though I never mentioned Dungy's religious views until my last post). Since I posted seven football people that I've spoken about in a positive way recently, and most of them aren't Christians, it kills your argument. That you chose to focus on two that are Christians says more about your agenda than it does mine, for what appear to be obvious reasons: you don't like Christians for some reason (I have no idea why you don't, but that's your business).

And that's ok too...you are completely welcome to that point of view.

I focus on something yet you're justifying it? That makes perfect perfect sense.

You do realize I expected this response from you as soon as I included the topical nature your history of late suggests.

 

[Jackson 2]

That's cool...well-meaning people can disagree.

But you hinted that I have some sort of agenda (i.e., the "distinct tinge" of mine), and you suggested that it's related to the religious views of Tebow and Dungy (even though I never mentioned Dungy's religious views until my last post). Since I posted seven football people that I've spoken about in a positive way recently, and most of them aren't Christians, it kills your argument. That you chose to focus on two that are Christians says more about your agenda than it does mine, for what appear to be obvious reasons: you don't like Christians for some reason (I have no idea why you don't, but that's your business).

And that's ok too...you are completely welcome to that point of view.

"...most of them aren't Christians..."? May I ask, "What is your definition of Christian?", and "How do you know they aren't?"

 

[ivanvamp]

I focus on something yet you're justifying it? That makes perfect perfect sense.

No, it makes no sense at all. I don't understand what you're getting at. I have made comments that reflect positively on a bunch of different people in football recently. Two of them happen to be Tim Tebow and Tony Dungy. Only in one of those instances (Tebow) did I refer to his professed faith. And it was you that tried to make the case that the "theme" that runs throughout my posts is a religious one...a case I easily refuted. So I point out that your case is refuted.....and now you claim that I'm *justifying* what you're focusing on?

I really don't understand what you're arguing, I guess.

You do realize I expected this response from you as soon as I included the topical nature your history of late suggests.

Expected what response? That I'm pointing out that you're "finding" things that aren't there?

 

[ivanvamp]

"...most of them aren't Christians..."? May I ask, "What is your definition of Christian?", and "How do you know they aren't?"

Great point. I should have said that, to my knowledge, most of those guys aren't people that I've heard profess faith. Tebow and Dungy, of course, have, which is one reason why some here are accusing them of being "holier-than-thou". I've never heard Rex Ryan or Peyton Manning or Tom Brady profess to be Christians....though of course they may be...I don't know.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

100% serious.

explain it please.

Poking fun at somebody for the tragic loss of his son is classless, and disgusting. And if I can add to those words, falling to a level that even most Colts fans wouldn't have gone back in '04

 

[Jackson 2]

Great point. I should have said that, to my knowledge, most of those guys aren't people that I've heard profess faith. Tebow and Dungy, of course, have, which is one reason why some here are accusing them of being "holier-than-thou". I've never heard Rex Ryan or Peyton Manning or Tom Brady profess to be Christians....though of course they may be...I don't know.

Thanks for the clarification. My reason for asking is that I believe that people of all religions can be devout and one might never know based upon what they say or do. Despite being the product of an all-male Catholic high school and an all-male (at that time) Catholic college, I don't consider myself particularly devout (much to my mother's chagrin). Anyway, my point is that I am one of those people who believes that Tony Dungy is a sanctimoniously holier-than-thou guy and that all of his religious comments and proselytizing come off as somewhat hypocritical when he takes thinly-veiled "shots" at Belichick, and others, as I have heard him do. The religious views people hold are none of my business, but I am bothered when celebrities use their positions of prominence to do "missionary work." I understand it's their right to do so, but I don't have to like it, and I don't.

 

[Leave No Doubt]

The amount of media cred this guy gets is asinine. He is not a good coach. He leaves the Bucs, they win the Super Bowl the next year. He leaves the Colts, they nearly go undefeated. His credibility is entirely based on his players liking him, giving spiffy quotes to the media, and discussing his faith publicly. He is Herm Edwards with better talent. If BB had said that he would have had a difficult time coaching an openly gay player (like Dungy did), he would have gotten killed by the national media. Could you imagine the field day Peter King and Gregg Easterbrook would have had with that one?

His opinion shouldn't matter anymore than any other decent, but now in the studio former NFL coach. But because he is St. Dungy, people will treat it as Gospel and a truly persuasive and authorative opinion on the Brady v. Manning debate.

Well said.

 

[Spiral]

"I would punt the ball to Tom Brady with one minute left"

Well, BB might have punted the ball the Peyton Manning if there was one minute left, but there wasn't. Either Dungy's grasp of the facts is less than what it should be, or he's being disingenuous.

 

[ivanvamp]

Thanks for the clarification. My reason for asking is that I believe that people of all religions can be devout and one might never know based upon what they say or do. Despite being the product of an all-male Catholic high school and an all-male (at that time) Catholic college, I don't consider myself particularly devout (much to my mother's chagrin). Anyway, my point is that I am one of those people who believes that Tony Dungy is a sanctimoniously holier-than-thou guy and that all of his religious comments and proselytizing come off as somewhat hypocritical when he takes thinly-veiled "shots" at Belichick, and others, as I have heard him do. The religious views people hold are none of my business, but I am bothered when celebrities use their positions of prominence to do "missionary work." I understand it's their right to do so, but I don't have to like it, and I don't.

I don't have a problem with your opinion as stated here at all. I personally haven't seen a lot of "proselytizing" by Dungy, or how if someone claims to believe in Jesus how that means they can't offer an opinion on goings-on in the NFL. But that's alright.

 

[ivanvamp]

"I would punt the ball to Tom Brady with one minute left"

Well, BB might have punted the ball the Peyton Manning if there was one minute left, but there wasn't. Either Dungy's grasp of the facts is less than what it should be, or he's being disingenuous.

Agreed. That's a classic straw man argument by Dungy.

 

[ausbacker]

No, it makes no sense at all. I don't understand what you're getting at. I have made comments that reflect positively on a bunch of different people in football recently. Two of them happen to be Tim Tebow and Tony Dungy. Only in one of those instances (Tebow) did I refer to his professed faith. And it was you that tried to make the case that the "theme" that runs throughout my posts is a religious one...a case I easily refuted. So I point out that your case is refuted.....and now you claim that I'm *justifying* what you're focusing on?

I really don't understand what you're arguing, I guess.

Expected what response? That I'm pointing out that you're "finding" things that aren't there?

You don't understand because you don't want too. Not once have I raised Dungy's religious view points. Not once. I merely pointed out in the 2 topics we have debated, you keenly supported both Tebow and Dungy and that there was a common theme. You've refuted nothing because I haven't argued anything.

Your own disposition shines through like a beacon and quite frankly, if you can't see you walked straight into that comment, then that's your problem.

And to think, I haven't even brought up Dungy's classy comments about the Saints yet either.