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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Yeah, but don't forget - if the Colts lose, no matter how many points they scored, it's because Manning choked....
Uh, when has Peyton Manning ever been accused of choking when it wasn't deserving?
Uh, when has Peyton Manning ever been accused of choking when it wasn't deserving?
I just think the "choke" label is over-used, in general. Sometimes, a defense is just better.
Is Tom Brady a "choker" now, because he wilted against Baltimore's defense, or failed to come through in the SB of '07 (and yes - 14 pts. is not coming through), or ended the 2 playoff appearances prior to that with INT's?
I would never argue that; Brady is not a choker. He's had bad games, and good games. By that same standard, I think anyone would be hard-pressed to call Manning a "choker" at this point...
I just think the "choke" label is over-used, in general. Sometimes, a defense is just better.
Is Tom Brady a "choker" now, because he wilted against Baltimore's defense, or failed to come through in the SB of '07 (and yes - 14 pts. is not coming through), or ended the 2 playoff appearances prior to that with INT's?
I would never argue that; Brady is not a choker. He's had bad games, and good games. By that same standard, I think anyone would be hard-pressed to call Manning a "choker" at this point...
Manning is a choker. He may be the biggest choker in the history of the NFL.
If it weren't for the Patriots having much of their defense sidelined in the second half of the 2006 AFCCG, Manning wouldn't have any Super Bowl rings, and he would be the unquestioned king of the gas pipe.
I completely agree. The concept of 'choke' is that you can't breath; that is, you couldn't handle the pressure, tensed up and folded in a high pressure situation.I just think the "choke" label is over-used, in general.
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Manning led an incredible comeback, with a huge monkey on his back against his biggest rival.
If it hadn't been for the tuck rule, Martz forgetting the offensive gameplan, the Carolina kicker shanking it, McNabb getting sick, etc, etc.
And how have Brady's last 5 years been? The 2007 SB was arguably the biggest single-team choke in football history (and he was QB, btw)
True. Law of averages says it was about time - aided by the flu sweeping through the Pats locker room and a bad flag for a rule that had been changed (face-guarding.) Regardless, congrats to Manning and the Colts for that win.Excuses, excuses, excuses. Manning led an incredible comeback, with a huge monkey on his back against his biggest rival.
And I could easily go through an equal number of 'if not for this one play' going the other way over the years that would have resulted in more Pats' championships; that argument is ridiculous.If it hadn't been for the tuck rule, Martz forgetting the offensive gameplan, the Carolina kicker shanking it, McNabb getting sick, etc, etc.
Not too bad. Here's some of what happened in his last five season in which he played at least one full quarter. Led the league in passing yards twice. Set an NFL record for most TD passes in a season. Double-digit wins every year. The NFL's only 16-0 season. Two AFC championships and one Super Bowl victory.And how have Brady's last 5 years been?
Wait, if I recall you just said the word choke was over-used. In case you've forgotten, Brady led the team to what would have been a come from behind game-winning drive with two minutes left. But I guess it's not only Brady's fault that Asante Samuel dropped an interception, and the d-line let Eli escape their grasp, but that he also choked in doing so.The 2007 SB was arguably the biggest single-team choke in football history (and he was QB, btw)
True. Law of averages says it was about time - aided by the flu sweeping through the Pats locker room and a bad flag for a rule that had been changed (face-guarding.) Regardless, congrats to Manning and the Colts for that win.
And I could easily go through an equal number of 'if not for this one play' going the other way over the years that would have resulted in more Pats' championships; that argument is ridiculous.
Not too bad. Here's some of what happened in his last five season in which he played at least one full quarter. Led the league in passing yards twice. Set an NFL record for most TD passes in a season. Double-digit wins every year. The NFL's only 16-0 season. Two AFC championships and one Super Bowl victory.
Wait, if I recall you just said the word choke was over-used. In case you've forgotten, Brady led the team to what would have been a come from behind game-winning drive with two minutes left. But I guess it's not only Brady's fault that Asante Samuel dropped an interception, and the d-line let Eli escape their grasp, but that he also choked in doing so.
In other words, in your view it's okay to label players and other teams chokers, but forbidden to label players and the team that you are a fan of chokers. Can you say hypocrite?
Its pretty pathetic when instead of talking on your own message boards (where your team is playing in the SUPERBOWL next week).you colts fans would rather ***** about Manning a pats board.
Jealousy.
Easy. It's two different responses to two different comments. The first comment was in response to what FBall said about essentially discrediting each of the Patriots' championships. The other comment was in response to the 'excuses, excuses' comment from a Colts' fan who felt it necessary to visit a fan forum and dog that team and their quarterback.Funny how you say this:
And I could easily go through an equal number of 'if not for this one play' going the other way over the years that would have resulted in more Pats' championships; that argument is ridiculous.
After you said this:
True. Law of averages says it was about time - aided by the flu sweeping through the Pats locker room and a bad flag for a rule that had been changed (face-guarding.) Regardless, congrats to Manning and the Colts for that win.
Why must you try and discredit Manning to the point where you look foolish? The guy is one of the greatest qb's ever, and even if you don't think he's as good as Brady (which is rediculous) How much worse is he? 1% - 2%?
That pretty much nails it. With apologies to the two very cool Steeler fans who often visit and comment, I thought Pittsburgh fans as a whole had the biggest levels of insecurity, inferiority complexes and obsession with the Pats. Apparently Colt fans are right up there too.Its pretty pathetic when instead of talking on your own message boards (where your team is playing in the SUPERBOWL next week).you colts fans would rather ***** about Manning a pats board.
Jealousy.