Maroney's benching

[Metaphors]

Umm, like I said, by recognizing the blitz before Lewis is already past you and in the QB's face.

There are lots of fair criticisms of Maroney, but this isn't one of them. Lewis hit the line at full speed at the snap, Brady was under center and Maroney was 7 (yes, seven!) yards behind the LOS. Maroney met Lewis about half-way (3.5 yards) despite going from a standing start. He turned Lewis to Brady's left, which is exactly what he should have done (Brady is right-handed last time I checked). If Brady had rolled to his right as he should have, he would have at least been able to get rid of the ball.

If your expectation is for Maroney to have reacted faster without drawing a false start...or for him to completely stone a 250 lb linebacker coming directly at him at full gallop...then you not only lacking in football knowledge but you have a pretty loose grip on physics.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

But do we bench BB for his terrible decisions all throughout 2009?

Don't do the hijack thing. Plenty of room for bashing Bill in the Bill bashing threads.

 

[crowell33]

The coach of the New England Patriots also saw it fit to trade away our best defensive lineman and instead rely on an overpaid scrub who got destroyed, yet again, in the running game yesterday.

Your appeal to authority notwithstanding, you might want to re-think your argument.

I don't doubt your football knowledge. But between you and Bill Belichick, I've still got to give BB the nod.

 

[emoney_33]

There are lots of fair criticisms of Maroney, but this isn't one of them. Lewis hit the line at full speed at the snap, Brady was under center and Maroney was 7 (yes, seven!) yards behind the LOS. Maroney met Lewis about half-way (3.5 yards) despite going from a standing start. He turned Lewis to Brady's left, which is exactly what he should have done (Brady is right-handed last time I checked). If Brady had rolled to his right as he should have, he would have at least been able to get rid of the ball.

If your expectation is for Maroney to have reacted faster without drawing a false start...or for him to completely stone a 250 lb linebacker coming directly at him at full gallop...then you not only lacking in football knowledge but you have a pretty loose grip on physics.

I guess Brady must have REALLY wanted something on the left side, I was confused when he spun that way into Lewis too.

 

[SyN65]

Maroney is useless and needs to get the hell outta here. Lets get a real RB in the draft.

 

[Metaphors]

I guess Brady must have REALLY wanted something on the left side, I was confused when he spun that way into Lewis too.

The protection was better on his left side, so I would tend to agree with you. However, Brady should have recognized the the play was FUBAR and just looked to avoid the sack. Better able to do that rolling right and throwing the ball into Maroney's backside.

 

[aluminum seats]

A "fluke" ?

That's just embarrassing, you're stretching pretty far now.

This is an idiotic response. Because Maroney doesn't have a history of fumbling but fumbled multiple times within a small sample size, the poster said it's therefore "more likely to be a fluke (or his technique needs to be adjusted), rather than anything chronic or regressive." And you call that embarrassing? Now that's embarassing.

 

[RobertWeathers]

But do we bench BB for his terrible decisions all throughout 2009?

Kick him up to the FO

 

[JackBauer]

A "fluke" ?

That's just embarrassing, you're stretching pretty far now.

Why are you even responding at this point?

I figured after having conveniently ignored my response which utterly destroyed your previous post you should feel enough shame to inconspicuously bow out of the thread.

And yes, I stand by my assessment of it as a fluke. If you want to put money on an over/under on the number of times Maroney fumbles next season, I'm game.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Not to turn this into Belichick thread, but the guy simply didn't have a great year this year--he needs another brain, be it a coordinator, front office, whatever--to bounce stuff off of. Hard for one guy to do everything.

Maybe BB was spread too thin this year. He'll never use it an excuse but maybe he didn't have the time needed to focus on gameplans, free-agency, etc. Wish I knew.

 

[JackBauer]

I don't doubt your football knowledge. But between you and Bill Belichick, I've still got to give BB the nod.

No question BB knows more than I would ever hope to even scratch at the surface of knowing about football (does that even make sense)?

That said, he still made a surprisingly large number of bonehead moves this season. And that includes Maroney. I sincerely hope he is brought back next season, because the plain fact of the matter is that this team is better with him than without.

 

[emoney_33]

Why are you even responding at this point?

I figured after having conveniently ignored my response which utterly destroyed your previous post you should feel enough shame to inconspicuously bow out of the thread.

And yes, I stand by my assessment of it as a fluke. If you want to put money on an over/under on the number of times Maroney fumbles next season, I'm game.

I'll set the O/U to 2, now you guys figure out the stakes!

 

[JackBauer]

With all the holes we have on the team, it's just staggering to me that people would be so flip about jettisoning one of the few bright spots on the offense this season.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Not quite. He Faulk started the snowball rolling downhill that was Denver in 2005. Since then, his 6th season in the league, he's remained on the wagon. But again it's dependent on touches because that was what happened in 2005 when he was forced to carry the load Dillon couldn't down the stretch. .

I agree. Less touches for Faulk = more effective player, but that's one game, Mo. In about 1500 career touches, he has 25 fumbles. He has a long history of ball security. That Denver game was a disaster on a number of levels. Brady threw picks. Troy Brown muffed a kick return. Someone put the kybosh on the Pats that game.

Never should have been in that situation. Ditto Maroney. He's not the bowling ball, he's the gazelle. Faulk had 11 fumbles in his first 3 seasons, he had 10 in his next 4, he's had 4 in his last 4. And that's in limited touches and it's not being asked to tote the rock as a starting RB.

I do think that you are right. Maroney just isn't a feature back. I don't know what spawned the fumble-itis he had, but no question after the JAX game BB didn't like it.

 

[crowell33]

With all the holes we have on the team, it's just staggering to me that people would be so flip about jettisoning one of the few bright spots on the offense this season.

OK JB here we go:

Maroney 194 carries 3.9 yard avg. 9 TD 4 lost fumbles

Taylor
Morris
Faulk : total 198 carries 4.7 yard avg. 8 TD 2 lost fumbles

FWIW ( BJGE 4.4 yard avg. )

Hard for me to see how you think Maroney's numbers were as strong as the other RB's. 0.8 yards less per carry and twice the fumble rate.

 

[upstater1]

OK JB here we go:

Maroney 194 carries 3.9 yard avg. 9 TD 4 lost fumbles

Taylor
Morris
Faulk : total 198 carries 4.7 yard avg. 8 TD 2 lost fumbles

FWIW ( BJGE 4.4 yard avg. )

Hard for me to see how you think Maroney's numbers were as strong as the other RB's. 0.8 yards less per carry and twice the fumble rate.

Take Faulk's numbers out of the mix, since he ran 5.5 yards a carry off of shotgun draws, and the numbers start to even out a bit more. Our OC was telegraphing when Maroney was going to run the ball.

Now, I'm posting as a Maroney agnostic since I'm OK with Belichick going either way on him. IMO, Taylor's contract speaks volumes about BB's skepticism on Maroney.

 

[JackBauer]

OK JB here we go:

Maroney 194 carries 3.9 yard avg. 9 TD 4 lost fumbles

Taylor
Morris
Faulk : total 198 carries 4.7 yard avg. 8 TD 2 lost fumbles

FWIW ( BJGE 4.4 yard avg. )

Hard for me to see how you think Maroney's numbers were as strong as the other RB's. 0.8 yards less per carry and twice the fumble rate.

So the key takeaway is that Maroney had more touchdowns than any of the other RBs combined?

As upstater noted, you can't really include Faulk's numbers, since he ran mostly on obvious passing downs.

I'm personally of the mind that they should bring Maroney back and give him a damn FB.

 

[crowell33]

Take Faulk's numbers out of the mix, since he ran 5.5 yards a carry off of shotgun draws, and the numbers start to even out a bit more. Our OC was telegraphing when Maroney was going to run the ball.

Now, I'm posting as a Maroney agnostic since I'm OK with Belichick going either way on him. IMO, Taylor's contract speaks volumes about BB's skepticism on Maroney.

We can do it any way you want. Take out Faulk. Maroney 3.9 yard avg., the rest of the RB's (not including Faulk) 4.4 yard avg. Maroney then is -0.5 yard per carry for the season with double the fumble rate.

Any other combinations? There is no way to crunch the numbers that makes Maroney look average.

 

[emoney_33]

We can do it any way you want. Take out Faulk. Maroney 3.9 yard avg., the rest of the RB's (not including Faulk) 4.4 yard avg. Maroney then is -0.5 yard per carry for the season with double the fumble rate.

Any other combinations? There is no way to crunch the numbers that makes Maroney look average.

I highly doubt the league average for a RB is ~4.0 YPC. Secondly, Morris and Taylor each have less than 1/3 the carries of Maroney. The less samples you have the higher potential for skews on averages. For instance 17% of Morris' total yards came on ONE run. Whereas Maroney's longest run accounts only for 5% of his total yards. I like Taylor, but please stop with the Morris debate. He may have more straight downhill ability, but he's NOT a better starting/overall RB than Maroney.

 

[DW Toys]

Which makes it more likely to be a fluke (or his technique needs to be adjusted), rather than anything chronic or regressive.

Mute point. He needs to be gone. As you say he has had four years. He is a JAG.
Hopefully his contract is up. You can say he lost two games all by himslef this year.
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