Zolak: Thomas and Springs are the "bad apples" in the room

[thewaylifeshouldbe]

Welcome to New England, sometimes the road conditions suck. Hell, about 12 years ago I was nightly commuting (mid-winter) from Poland Springs through the backroads of Maine to get to Beans' in Freeport..... all in a RWD Peugeot wagon for fu** sakes. And I was never late.

Anyone of these guys can easily handle their issue with one of these-

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

We should trade both of them and try and got some value with dealing with a little spoiled brat who points fingers at everyone else, but not himself. Springs, well he hasnt done anything for this team. Lets get them out of here and find some players that will actually play the game.

 

[satz]

Most pats live in north attleboro near my house. Ty warran is his neighbour and chung or butler also lives next to him. My question is how come those guys got there on time?

 

[DaBruinz]

Do you ever make a post without insulting someone?

The fact that you have not been banned blows my mind.

Its about a 5 or 6 to 1 ratio, actually of normal posts to "insults". The fact is that I know the limits and have never gone over the line.

I would say something about your mind being blown, but I don't want to hurt your sensitive feewings

 

[DaBruinz]

Most pats live in north attleboro near my house. Ty warran is his neighbour and chung or butler also lives next to him. My question is how come those guys got there on time?

Umm.. I'm pretty sure they are spread out all over south eastern Mass, with some as far up as Boston. Thomas is in N. Attleboro.

And, as I pointed out, its highly plausible that leaving 8 minutes later is enough to cause him to be late by 20 minutes to 2 or 3 hours..

 

[BradyFTW!]

Umm.. I'm pretty sure they are spread out all over south eastern Mass, with some as far up as Boston. Thomas is in N. Attleboro.

And, as I pointed out, its highly plausible that leaving 8 minutes later is enough to cause him to be late by 20 minutes to 2 or 3 hours..

It's only plausible if you can give an actual reason why it might have happened. Since there wasn't a traffic accident, and all of the players who live right next to him got there on time, it's on him.

Which, once again, wouldn't even matter if he hadn't been such a crybaby about all of this. If he had taken a page out of Burgess' book and acted like an adult, nobody would even be talking about this. His reaction to the media and complete unwillingness to accept accountability is a much bigger issue than being late was.

 

[DaBruinz]

If the conditions around Foxboro were really that big of an issue then more than just 4 people would have been late, its as simple as that. AD even said he didnt know it was going to snow, maybe if he knew he would have left earlier. If there was like a major accident or terrible road conditions then Belichick would most likely not have acted like he did. When 57 people make it on time and 4 dont, those 4 deserve to be punished.

Burgess and Guyton did actually speak today and they pretty much confirmed that the reason for being sent home was because they were late. This was from WEEI.com today,

"Burgess, Guyton, Randy Moss and Adalius Thomas were all sent home for being late due to Wednesday morning snow storm.

“I’ve got to be disappointed in myself. My biggest disappointment is in me because I lead by example. I don’t lead by rah-rah,” added Burgess, who said he will try to leave more time in the future when he knows snow is in the forecast"

Theres my evidence, clear as day.

Neither Burgess nor Guyton had spoken out when I made the post. Burgess did, saying that he was disappointed in himself. Guyton only said he was sent home. He did NOT say anything otherwise, in that regard. He said it was behind him and he was focusing on Carolina.

I have said that AD deserved to be punished, just like the other 3. However, that doesn't explain the idiotic vitriol prevalent on the board today.

 

[basement zombie]

His reaction to the media and complete unwillingness to accept accountability is a much bigger issue than being late was.

:agree:

(ten char)

 

[The Dynasty]

Neither Burgess nor Guyton had spoken out when I made the post. Burgess did, saying that he was disappointed in himself. Guyton only said he was sent home. He did NOT say anything otherwise, in that regard. He said it was behind him and he was focusing on Carolina.

I have said that AD deserved to be punished, just like the other 3. However, that doesn't explain the idiotic vitriol prevalent on the board today.

Actually Burgess and Guyton spoke around 2 o'clock today after practice, you made your post at 6. Good try though.

Maybe you should get all your facts straight before accusing people of making false statements on here

 

[DaBruinz]

It's only plausible if you can give an actual reason why it might have happened. Since there wasn't a traffic accident, and all of the players who live right next to him got there on time, it's on him.

Which, once again, wouldn't even matter if he hadn't been such a crybaby about all of this. If he had taken a page out of Burgess' book and acted like an adult, nobody would even be talking about this. His reaction to the media and complete unwillingness to accept accountability is a much bigger issue than being late was.

Whatever. You keep saying this garbage about him being a crybaby and not acting an adult. Yet you've not shown how he hasn't accepted responsibility.

Did he say he was late? Yes.
Did he do the responsible thing and call in when he knew he was going to be late? YEP.
Did he throw a temper tantrum when he was told to go home? Nope.
Did he use his time wisely by making sure to watch the films and such so he'd be ready for practice on Thursday? Yep.

Do we know if he left early to begin with? Nope.

All we know is that he sat in traffic.. Traffic that could have been caused by an accident or by something else.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Whatever. You keep saying this garbage about him being a crybaby and not acting an adult. Yet you've not shown how he hasn't accepted responsibility.

Did you listen to the interview he gave yesterday?

 

[DaBruinz]

Actually Burgess and Guyton spoke around 2 o'clock today after practice, you made your post at 6. Good try though.

Maybe you should get all your facts straight before accusing people of making false statements on here

WEEI didn't get it posted until after 3 PM ET (3:17 according to their Website). I made my post at 5:28 ET and hadn't yet seen the WEEI video. That being said, Guyton said nothing about it other than he was sent home. There was no "taking of responsibility." And it was never in question why he was sent home.

If you are referring to what I said earlier, about there being a bigger issue, did you stop to think that maybe tardiness had been an issue through out and BB was tired of it and decided to make an example of those 4?

Looks like we both made errors.

 

[DaBruinz]

Did you listen to the interview he gave yesterday?

I've now read the transcripts that Rappaport/Kilgore have, the one that Reiss has, and have listened to the interview. Still don't see what all the hoopla is about. Why all the vitriol. Other than people in here have blown out of proportion things that were said, purposely taking them out of context.

 

[The Dynasty]

WEEI didn't get it posted until after 3 PM ET (3:17 according to their Website). I made my post at 5:28 ET and hadn't yet seen the WEEI video. That being said, Guyton said nothing about it other than he was sent home. There was no "taking of responsibility." And it was never in question why he was sent home. If you are referring to what I said earlier, about there being a bigger issue, did you stop to think that maybe tardiness had been an issue through out and BB was tired of it and decided to make an example of those 4?

Looks like we both made errors.

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 2:06pm
.Burgess: It's on me
By: Mike Petraglia

Looks like 2:06pm ET to me. No error on my part. Did you read Reiss' article about the message BB sent to the team on Monday about being more prepared and working hard during the week. Basically saying this crunch time, no messing around. Then the next team meeting he has 4 players show up late. Thats why he sent them home, for not listening to what he had said 2 days earlier.

No, we don't know that the REAL reason was ONLY because they were late. As I pointed out, even others such as Bruschi came out and said he'd never seen people sent home for being late.

What evidence do you have that there isn't MORE to it than JUST being late? Also, considering that Moss, Guyton, and Burgess haven't said a word, you're talking out your rear end by saying "they all said it was cause they were late". The media REPORTED that, but Belichick told them NOTHING to support it.

You were the one who questioned why Guyton and the rest were sent home.

You should call it a day on here. You are really off base on everything today and making a fool out of yourself.

 

[Kontradiction]

Whatever. You keep saying this garbage about him being a crybaby and not acting an adult. Yet you've not shown how he hasn't accepted responsibility.

Did he say he was late? Yes.
Did he do the responsible thing and call in when he knew he was going to be late? YEP.
Did he throw a temper tantrum when he was told to go home? Nope.
Did he use his time wisely by making sure to watch the films and such so he'd be ready for practice on Thursday? Yep.

Do we know if he left early to begin with? Nope.

All we know is that he sat in traffic.. Traffic that could have been caused by an accident or by something else.

Again, what conclusive evidence do you have that AD was studying film outside of word of mouth (his being the only one)? While I have a problem with his play on the field, I don't particularly have a problem with him being late. However, when people defend him by continuously spouting off "well he was studying film", it sounds ridiculous. We have no way of proving that as the reason for AD being late. It sounds like an extremely convenient excuse though.

 

[DaBruinz]

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 2:06pm
.Burgess: It's on me
By: Mike Petraglia

Looks like 2:06pm ET to me. No error on my part. Did you read Reiss' article about the message BB sent to the team on Monday about being more prepared and working hard during the week. Basically saying this crunch time, no messing around. Then the next team meeting he has 4 players show up late. Thats why he sent them home, for not listening to what he had said 2 days earlier.

You referenced the actual TEXT. I referenced the VIDEO.

It Is What It Is Inside the Locker Room–12/11/09

There's the link for you.

You were the one who questioned why Guyton and the rest were sent home.

You should call it a day on here. You are really off base on everything today and making a fool out of yourself.

No. I'm not the one "way off base." but you can think that if it makes you feel smarter, even if for a fleeting second.

What I questioned was whether or not their being late on that day was the only reason for being sent home. That is why I referenced Bruschi saying that, typically, its been dealt with by a fine. There is the possibility that tardiness has been an issue all season long and BB finally got fed up with it and made an example of those four. You quoting me Burgess comments or Guyton's comments won't answer that since they only talked about Wednesday and not the entire season. Now do you understand how there are, potentially, two separate issues?

Oh, and, btw, Guyton only acknowledged he got sent home. That's all he said. Otherwise, he talked about Carolina.

 

[DaBruinz]

Again, what conclusive evidence do you have that AD was studying film outside of word of mouth (his being the only one)? While I have a problem with his play on the field, I don't particularly have a problem with him being late. However, when people defend him by continuously spouting off "well he was studying film", it sounds ridiculous. We have no way of proving that as the reason for AD being late. It sounds like an extremely convenient excuse though.

Actually, it's been determined that the Film Study was AFTER he went home. Not before. There is no "continuously spouting off" about it.

If people stopped making him a scapegoat for the entire season other people wouldn't have to defend him.

We have no way of proving why AD was late at all. That's been part of my argument. That people acting like he blew off what BB said are just being plain stupid about it.

 

[BradyFTW!]

You referenced the actual TEXT. I referenced the VIDEO.

It Is What It Is Inside the Locker Room–12/11/09

There's the link for you.

Burgess: It's on me

TheDynasty is right. He said that WEEI had the quote posted at 2:06pm, and it pretty clearly did. You said "WEEI didn't get it posted until after 3 PM ET (3:17 according to their Website)." You're wrong, as the link above shows.

 

[The Dynasty]

You referenced the actual TEXT. I referenced the VIDEO.

No. I'm not the one "way off base." but you can think that if it makes you feel smarter, even if for a fleeting second.

What I questioned was whether or not their being late on that day was the only reason for being sent home. That is why I referenced Bruschi saying that, typically, its been dealt with by a fine. There is the possibility that tardiness has been an issue all season long and BB finally got fed up with it and made an example of those four. You quoting me Burgess comments or Guyton's comments won't answer that since they only talked about Wednesday and not the entire season. Now do you understand how there are, potentially, two separate issues?

Oh, and, btw, Guyton only acknowledged he got sent home. That's all he said. Otherwise, he talked about Carolina.

So first you say that Burgess and Guyton havent spoken yet, then you say that they spoke before you posted, then you say it was posted at 3:17, now you say that we were referencing 2 different things. All of which were wrong. You are just digging your self a bigger hole.

There are not 2 separate issues. You're saying that tardiness has been an issue all year long and finally BB decided to take action on it now? I dont think BB would let tardiness go at any point in the season. You are kidding, right? You are really searching now.

Guyton didnt address the situation because he didnt want to. AD certainly addressed it and said he got sent home because he was late. That obviously means that the other 3 were sent home for the same reason. You have no foot to stand on with this argument

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I've now read the transcripts that Rappaport/Kilgore have, the one that Reiss has, and have listened to the interview. Still don't see what all the hoopla is about. Why all the vitriol. Other than people in here have blown out of proportion things that were said, purposely taking them out of context.

I thinki people are/were looking for him to say something along the lines of what Burgess said. On top of that he's been a disappointment to some, I think hes played well at times ok at othees but I expected a bigger impact than hes had.
Put this all together and you have your answer.