Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by teams]

[Wolfpack]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

As usual, you're completely incorrect.

The patriots were one of the first teams to realize that coaching doesn't count against the cap, and its a good place to spend money. They've been paying guys pretty well.

They do pay their guys pretty well, but it is nowhere near as much as either Weis or Crennel made as head coaches with other teams. $1 million per year is very high for an assistant but IIRC Crennel brought in about $15 million from Cleveland and Weis got something like $20 million from Notre Dame.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

that was not the reason for them leaving...... They wanted HEAD COACHING Jobs...... those pay more $$$$$. They were eager to test out new territories and assume new roles but they both failed miserably. Romeo was a greater failure than Weis..... They both cashed in especially Charlie. However, Weis can comeback as a coveted O-Coordinator..... (where he belongs). Romeo ruined any chance of success by being w/ the browns and doing nothing w/ them.

Please point out to me where I said it was?

That was not the point I was making at all.

 

[BelichickFan]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

As usual, you're completely incorrect.

The patriots were one of the first teams to realize that coaching doesn't count against the cap, and its a good place to spend money. They've been paying guys pretty well.

There were definite rumblings that Weis might have left to go to Carolina after 2004. Don't ask for a link, it's too long ago. Oh, and yes it was over money.

 

[Synovia]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

They do pay their guys pretty well, but it is nowhere near as much as either Weis or Crennel made as head coaches with other teams.

Of course its not.

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

There were definite rumblings that Weis might have left to go to Carolina after 2004. Don't ask for a link, it's too long ago. Oh, and yes it was over money.

That is correct, and also just now on nbc, King , says Weis could return to the Pats, Chiefs, or Panthers, and also look out for the colts..

 

[Patjew]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

As usual, you're completely incorrect.

The patriots were one of the first teams to realize that coaching doesn't count against the cap, and its a good place to spend money. They've been paying guys pretty well.

Wasn't Weis very unhappy with his salary when he was with the Pats?

 

[HarkDawg]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

Happy or not....


Head Coaches make more $$$$ and they both failed as head coaches.
Weis is not head coach material.... back to square 1

In the sense of (Being an O-Coordinator in the NFL) and not a head coach of a NFL team or a famous university like ND. It was out of his league.


Charlie Weis is no HEAD COACH!

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

Wasn't Weis very unhappy with his salary when he was with the Pats?

You're not supposed to bring up facts, apparently.

I'll be the first to admit that I would be extremely happy with Weis, although he had a penchant to make at least one boneheaded decision with the offense during games. However, there are too many factors which would deter him from coming back here.

 

[Synovia]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

Wasn't Weis very unhappy with his salary when he was with the Pats?

Again, him being unhappy with his salary doesn't mean he was underpaid like the post I was quoting was insinuating.

The patriots OC and DC were two of the best paid coordinators in football at the time. The fact that they could make more as HCs has nothing to do with how they were paid as coordinators. Its apples and oranges.

 

[Patjew]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

Again, him being unhappy with his salary doesn't mean he was underpaid like the post I was quoting was insinuating.

The patriots OC and DC were two of the best paid coordinators in football at the time. The fact that they could make more as HCs has nothing to do with how they were paid as coordinators. Its apples and oranges.

I was under the impression that they were both paid below what was considered fair market value for coordinators of their aptitude, but I don't have the data to back it up. It's just what I heard at the time. Maybe some others can tell me if I'm right or wrong.

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

I was under the impression that they were both paid below what was considered fair market value for coordinators of their aptitude, but I don't have the data to back it up. It's just what I heard at the time. Maybe some others can tell me if I'm right or wrong.

Charlie felt he was underpaid. Synovia is arguing how we should all define "underpaid". The fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter what we think or how much Charlie actually WAS paid. All that matters is that he was unhappy with that amount and considered himself underpaid.

 

[Patjew]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

You're not supposed to bring up facts, apparently.

I'll be the first to admit that I would be extremely happy with Weis, although he had a penchant to make at least one boneheaded decision with the offense during games. However, there are too many factors which would deter him from coming back here.

I'd love for Charlie to come back too, and I don't know if it's likely to happen or not. I'd much rather see him with the Pats than the Jets or Colts. I'd be kind of happy for him and Cassel and Pioli if he ended up in KC.

Regardless, I think rooting for someone to get fired is a real ****-move.

 

[Synovia]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

Charlie felt he was underpaid. Synovia is arguing how we should all define "underpaid". The fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter what we think or how much Charlie actually WAS paid. All that matters is that he was unhappy with that amount and considered himself underpaid.

No, I'm directly arguing with IcyPatriot's statement that the Patriots have a history of paying their coordinators less than the rest of the league, which is an absolute falsehood.

 

[Patjew]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

No, I'm directly arguing with IcyPatriot's statement that the Patriots have a history of paying their coordinators less than the rest of the league, which is an absolute falsehood.

It seems like this isn't the first time you guys have disagreed about something.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

No, I'm directly arguing with IcyPatriot's statement that the Patriots have a history of paying their coordinators less than the rest of the league, which is an absolute falsehood.

Care to point out where exactly I say that?

A history?

The Patriots will not overspend on an OC, DC or any coach on the team with the exception of Belichick who is probably underpaid based on his success. Money was an issue when Romeo and Charlie were here as both could have made more money coaching elsewhere.

Anyone here feel free to correct my memory. But wasn't there some issue with Crennel or Weis wanting more money and their salary was bumped to 1 million or so? The Patriots were not willing to alter their coach pay scale which is secret? Or at least I think it is.

 

[jbb9s]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

Amazon.com: Won for All : The Inside Story of the New England Patriots' Improbable Run to The Super Bowl (9780071408776): Pepper Johnson, Bill Gutman: Books

two questions about this book:

(A) Since I am not going to buy it, can someone tell me the insight Pepper has toward the issue at hand: hours the Patriot's coaches put in

(B) Is this the book where he claims they were at the practice field at Tulane before the SB and he looked up at a office/apt bldg window and saw someone looking down on them with binoculars?

 

[Joker]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

Hey...that's gives me a great idea...I'll write and market DON'T BUY THIS BOOK!...millions i tell ya....MILLIONS!!!!!

 

[Tunescribe]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen?

People have a tendency to spend money relative to what they are making. We see a guy who has made $25 million and say "he's set for life" but that is based on the faulty assumption that his expenses are similiar to our own. He's probably not living in some $175,000 ranch style home in North Chelmsford, driving a Volkswagen Jetta everyday, and planning to send his kids to UMass-Lowell. I don't know the specifics of his disabled child but that could easily be an expense of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars.

I am sure he's got some money set aside and could easily afford to take a year or two off (especially since he is getting a golden parachute from Notre Dame) but I would bet he is not in a position where he is "set for life" in his current standard of living without ever going back to work. Now maybe he'll be comfortable downsizing his standard of living.

Stop it! Just stop. This line of rationalization is just stupid and wrong. If I am not mistaken, having millions of dollars ensures a pretty stable, well-to-do standard of living in terms of meeting life's necessities. Weis has already made enough for his family (and his special needs child) to live at a very high standard for the rest of their lives. His supposed buyout from Notre Dame is reported at about $18 million. Unless he has a very bad Las Vegas habit I'd say THAT ALONE should "tide the Weis family over" for the next 100 years.

While you're at it, please tell me what kind of "expenses" ANY guy with $25 million in the bank has that might leave him pinching pennies in order to feed his family. Just ridiculous. Beyond a certain point "need" crosses over into "want" and that's the same for pretty much everybody here on planet Earth.

 

[Joker]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' thing really happen? [Schefter: contacted by tea

yeah...you'd have to have one helluva coke habit...and Teflon nasal passages...the hookers would probably rob you of it all before you croaked

 

[tajapandu]

Re: Could this 'Charlie to the Pats' Thing Really Happen?

"we're getting the band back together"

that was too funny