Mangini asks Favre to come to Browns training camp ... To help QBs? (Yeah, right)

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: Mangini asks Favre to come to Browns training camp ... To help QBs? (Yeah,right)

Brady has made some bad throws in his career we can all agree upon,Favre has thrown much more but then again the greatest QBs always have bad games now and then -I think None was worse of Bradys throws than the poor pressured pass and interception to the Panthers CB Howard in the end zone that almost cost us SB 38 but fortunately it didn't as Tom led us on a short drive when the Panthers K set us up on the Panthers 40 the next Pats series.

 

[Sicilian]

Re: Mangini asks Favre to come to Browns training camp ... To help QBs? (Yeah,right)

Oddly enough, Packers' fans were willing to give Favre that same leeway. That's my point.

And it's a good one. That being said, I still believe Favre deserves more criticism for his mistakes than he gets in the national media.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Mangini asks Favre to come to Browns training camp ... To help QBs? (Yeah,right)

No, it's not just media perception. Another aspect to public perception/NFL reality is the "He's not on my team, so I'll crush him for every minor flaw" approach. People here love to bag on Favre's interceptions, for example, but awfully quiet about things like Brady's tossing that pick from the ground against Miami.

Brady throws stupid interceptions so infrequently that you actually had to cite one specifically to try to make a point. Favre threw more completely inexcusable interceptions in his most recent game than Brady did in all of his record-setting 2007 campaign. To say that they're not comparable would be a radical understatement.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Mangini asks Favre to come to Browns training camp ... To help QBs? (Yeah,right)

Oddly enough, Packers' fans were willing to give Favre that same leeway. That's my point.

So? San Francisco Giants fans were willing to give Barry Bonds a lot of leeway for being a 'roided up freak, too. Fans tend to give the best players on their favorite teams a lot of leeway. The difference is, if Brady was the QB of some other team, I'd still think he's the best QB in the game.

I don't (and most of us don't) smear players just because they play for a team that I don't like. If that was the case, then I wouldn't readily acknowledge that Peyton Manning is an all-time great QB. My reasons for not liking Favre are strictly due to the risks associated with his play style outweighing the rewards. You can't win in the NFL with a QB who, when he has a bad day, will absolutely murder your team like Favre does.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I don't know what that means or indicates for sure, but personally I would LOVE to see Favre come back again this year. It's becoming more and more comical each time.

 

[Terry Glenn is a cowgirl]

Re: Mangini asks Favre to come to Browns training camp ... To help QBs? (Yeah,right)

What? You've never seen somebody say "SEE THIS GUY? DON'T DO THAT"

:singing:

CLASSIC!!!!

Post of the day... bar NONE.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Mangini asks Favre to come to Browns training camp ... To help QBs? (Yeah,right)

So? San Francisco Giants fans were willing to give Barry Bonds a lot of leeway for being a 'roided up freak, too. Fans tend to give the best players on their favorite teams a lot of leeway. The difference is, if Brady was the QB of some other team, I'd still think he's the best QB in the game.

I don't (and most of us don't) smear players just because they play for a team that I don't like. If that was the case, then I wouldn't readily acknowledge that Peyton Manning is an all-time great QB. My reasons for not liking Favre are strictly due to the risks associated with his play style outweighing the rewards. You can't win in the NFL with a QB who, when he has a bad day, will absolutely murder your team like Favre does.

Any quarterback on a bad day can absolutely murder your team. This is true of Brady, Manning. Roethlisberger and every other QB in the game.

As for the rest, don't kid yourself. Hell, it's joked about on this board because players like Samuel are suddenly less talented in the eyes of a lot of the posters here after they leave.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Mangini asks Favre to come to Browns training camp ... To help QBs? (Yeah,right)

Any quarterback on a bad day can absolutely murder your team. This is true of Brady, Manning. Roethlisberger and every other QB in the game.

As for the rest, don't kid yourself. Hell, it's joked about on this board because players like Samuel are suddenly less talented in the eyes of a lot of the posters here after they leave.

Not really: any quarterback on an awful day can murder you, but good QBs can manage their mistakes enough that they don't regularly compound them into multiple-interception suckfests. Brett Favre can kill you on even a bad day: he may snatch victory from the jaws of defeat a couple of times per year, but he snatches defeat from the jaws of victory just as often. Even in playoff games, he throws 2+ interceptions a third of the time. In today's NFL, you can't win like that. We had this same debate before this past season, and I feel pretty confident that the way that 2008 played out validated what I was saying.

Case in point: how many truly awful games has Brady had in his last 3 seasons starting (2005-2007? Games with 2 INTS: 5. Games with more than 2: 2 (4 INTs against Indy in 2006, 4 against KC in 2005)

Favre from 2006-2008? 16 games with 2 INTs, 4 games with more than 2. Favre throws 2+ INTs with almost 3 times the frequency that Brady does. And that's even though they have similar attempts per season (556 vs. 541) and with Brady averaging more TDs per season (33.33 vs. 22.66-- even if you take out the 50 TD season, he averaged 25 over the other 2).

Of course Brady is better than Favre- I don't expect anyone to dispute that. But it goes far, far beyond simply being better. Elite QBs, like Brady, offer the same upside that Favre does, without being prone to having nightmare games on a regular basis.




As for other players, I do agree with you to some extent in that respect. That claim isn't without merit, but personally my thoughts on Samuel are exactly what they were when he played for the Pats: good instincts, creates turnovers, and can be very effective as long as you don't ask him to play man-to-man. That's what he was with the Pats, and that's what he is with the Eagles. He's a good CB who wasn't worth the money that the Eagles paid him. IMO, a lot more people look at him that way than think that he suddenly got worse because he stopped wearing a Pats' uniform.

 

[capetide]

Havent read the whole thread and I know Favre says he plans to retire, but...he still is under contract with Jets so isnt this tampering?

 

[JoeSixPat]

I'll be interested to see how Browns fans warp this news to fit with their insistance that Mangini was just an innocent victim of Tannenbaum's insistence that Favre be the starting QB. That as I recall was their prevailing logic that Browns fans (and maybe Randy Lerner) needed to accept to convince themselves that Mangini really WAS a good coach and judge of player abilities.

I'm sure I won't be disappointed, seeing as most Browns fans seemed convinced that Mangini named his son after Favre in an effort to PREVENT him from signing with the team.

So I guess the question is, are there other QBs or players out there who Mangini doesn't want playing for his team, who Mangini will bring in to help create a winning organization?

(And of course the ultimate question... if Mangini refuses to name another child after Favre, does that mean he WANTS Favre to come out of retirement to play for the Browns?)